Open 871 - The Haunted Village | Postgame

[furtiveglance]

awooooooooooooooo!

am I howling or are you just excited

[Gimli]

I don't see it

@Kokichi, unless the RVS banter is AI for std for some meta reason, which I don't know, that's the only post you may be referring to on page 1.
Now, Fuyuhiko's motivation for their (I presume) non-RVS vote is indeed pretty evident, so not to see it may be a little weird -- so I guess it may just be a very soft pocketing (or a very soft attempt to detract the real vote placed on his undeadbuddy, though frankly I would think doing such a thing, with that intention, barely out of RVS when there's no actual indication that relieving pressure would be necessary, has very little to no benefit and would risk outing one's buddy, so I'd be cautioned to exclude this hypotesys).

Though frankly, idk, it's not like it's so glaring that I'm convinced it's so. If we're looking at pocketing attempts, I'd even say that Gimli's joking about Wednesday is more emotionally significant to the parts involved (though, again, it may just be an interpersonal meta thing, which I wouldn't know about).

Okay, Gimli spewed town but he’s been pretty obvtown anyway. This makes me not to want to vote Kuzo. Gimli, sanity check me on this but I think this looks antipartnery for Kuzo.

yeah. kuzo has been incredibly towny otherwise too I think

[Gimli]

VOTE: std

awooooooooooooooo!

[Save The Dragons]

he called me a wolf so i howled

[Gimli]

CAUGHT YOU AGAIN

(never caught you)

[Wednesday Addams]

Spoiler:

[quote=Marashu post_id=13613174 post_num=0 time=1674057629 user_id=34070]

OPEN 871 - Haunted Village

Player List

• furtiveglance
  
• Wednesday Addams
  
• biancospino
  
• Save The Dragons
  
• Maki Harukawa
  
• Kaito Momota
  
• Kokichi Oma
  
• Gimli
  
• Kyoko Kirigiri
  
• Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu
  
• PenguinPower
  
• Not_Mafia
  *
  
  
• Saihara Shuichi

*

Denotes prod

Spoiler: Living Players

• furtiveglance
  
• Wednesday Addams
  
• biancospino
  
• Save The Dragons
  
• Maki Harukawa
  
• Kaito Momota
  
• Kokichi Oma
  
• Gimli
  
• Kyoko Kirigiri
  
• Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu
  
• PenguinPower
  
• Not_Mafia
  
• Saihara Shuichi

Spoiler: Dead Players

None

Haunted Village

Full set-up can be found here.

• 10 villagers
  
  
• 3 undead

During Night 0, the undead will be informed of which PRs the village has access to (but not how many of each role). They will then choose which roles they wish to purchase.

The village will have

between 5-9 ascension points

. The undead have 3 fewer points than the village.
Possible roles for the Village (note that likelyhood skews when only 1 or 2 points remain):

• Villager - 0pts (Vanilla townie, default)
  
• Priest - 3pts (Cop, 25%)
  
• Witch Hunter - 2pts (JOAT with 1-shot cop, vig, and tracker, 20%)
  
• Sorceress - 3pts (Vigilante, 15%)
  
• Enchantress - 1pt (Custom rolestopper, 10%)
  
• Healer - 2pts (Doctor, 10%)
  
• Angel - 2pts (Custom vengeful, 10%)
  
• Trickster - 1pt (Non-consecutive commuter, 10%)

Possible roles for the Undead:

• Ghoul - 0pts (Mafia goon, default)
  
• Vampire - 2pts (Roleblocker)
  
• Death Knight - 2pts (Custom avenger)
  
• Ghost - 2pts (Framer)
  
• Zombie - 2pts (Custom delayed diplomat)
  
• Banshee - 2pts (Custom non-consecutive strongman)
  
• Immortal - 3pts (Godfather)
  
• Witch - 1pt (Rolecop)

Unique rules

Priest, Witch Hunter

• Holy Water
  : Immortals return favourable (innocent) result; a ghost's possessed target returns unfavourable (guilty) result

Witch Hunter

• Can only use one skill per night
  If roleblocked or targeting an invisible target, the abilities are not wasted

Sorceress

• Lightning Bolt
  : Blocked by an enchanter's spell shield

Enchantress

• Spell Shield
  : Protects the target from harmful magical abilities, but will not stop normal kills
  vampires, ghosts, and death knights won't affect shielded targets
  
• Banshee wails and sorceress lightning won't kill shielded targets
  
• Shielded zombies won't reanimate for the night
  
• Witch divinations on shielded targets return "no result" as if roleblocked

Angel

• Smite (reactive)
  : When an angel dies, it can choose to smite someone
  
• If the angel's target is undead or ghost-possessed (but not an immortal), it will be slain

Trickster

• Invisibility
  : The trickster can turn invisible and become immune to all direct night actions except strong kills
  
• After turning invisible, a trickster must wait one full night before it can become invisible again

Death Knight

• Dark Ward
  : Wards a target to kill its killers if it dies
  
• Both the ward and its reactive kill can be blocked by an enchanter's spell shield

Zombie

• Reanimation (reactive)
  : If eliminated, the zombie will rise from the dead on the next dawn, but only if another undead exists
  
• Will be slain for good if killed in any way other than elimination
  
• If dead and awaiting reanimation, the zombie cannot be put to rest by normal means
  
• Will not reanimate if doing so will endgame the remaining players

Banshee

• Death Wail
  : If the banshee performs the undead kill, it can instead choose to use its wail
  
• The wail kills through invisibility and healing, but is blocked by an enchanter's spell shield
  
• After wailing, the banshee must wait one full night before it can wail again

Other mechanics

• The undead have daytalk; a zombie who isn't permanently slain can still communicate privately even if "dead"
  
• The undead who performs the kill can also use their other powers on the same night

Other questions

• None yet

[/area]

Events

• None Yet

[/quote]

Kaito why do you think scum would take roleblocker specifically?

[Kaito Momota]

Kaito why do you think scum would take roleblocker specifically?

We were told what roles the undead took at the start of the game:

The undead team consists of a

Vampire

, a

Witch

, and a

Ghoul

.

[Kaito Momota]

We also know that town has 6 points of powers total, because the undead team gets 3 less points than town. Shuichi was 2 of those points for the town. The Undead team additionally knows the exact power roles town has.

[Wednesday Addams]

Hey guys

This is looking like an easy game

bianco's vote was on Fuyu so I don't think it's them anymore

I'll read up later but I don't think Kaito's comment about the Roleblocker is towny

VOTE: Kaito Momota

Why not?

[Save The Dragons]

I don't see it

@Kokichi, unless the RVS banter is AI for std for some meta reason, which I don't know, that's the only post you may be referring to on page 1.
Now, Fuyuhiko's motivation for their (I presume) non-RVS vote is indeed pretty evident, so not to see it may be a little weird -- so I guess it may just be a very soft pocketing (or a very soft attempt to detract the real vote placed on his undeadbuddy, though frankly I would think doing such a thing, with that intention, barely out of RVS when there's no actual indication that relieving pressure would be necessary, has very little to no benefit and would risk outing one's buddy, so I'd be cautioned to exclude this hypotesys).

Though frankly, idk, it's not like it's so glaring that I'm convinced it's so. If we're looking at pocketing attempts, I'd even say that Gimli's joking about Wednesday is more emotionally significant to the parts involved (though, again, it may just be an interpersonal meta thing, which I wouldn't know about).

I have to things to mention regarding this post.

I don't follow the assumptions about how mentioning "Wednesday" was emotional/pocketing or in any way sus. It just was a non-game-related poke at a great username on first page of a mafia game with no game related content to discuss.

the second thing is that this post is actually filled with assumptions and no conclusions. For example in the first paragraph, you're assuming Kokichi is actually having a reason to sus STD and he is not aiming to find a reaction and make progress which is the point of RVS. Secondly you're assuming that Fuyuhiko's vote was serious. His intentions to vote is not yet clear by any means as we have to wait and see where he is going with that line of thought. secondly, you say voting for them might be a "soft pocketing". Is this based on some previous interaction between those two slots in another game? If not how you concluded that his aggressive reaction and vote is an instance of pocketing? and then you add another hypothesis and say it's to redirect attention. Why would he - assuming he is up for no good - would want to redirect people's attention away from his previous RVS vote on page 1?

All these assumptions, told out loud, don't seem to be coming up from a game-solving perspective. Its more like putting events the way you want them to be for your goal rather than finding that goal. All that being said the way you caught up on these two pages, it looks like shading and for that, I'll put my first FOS on you.

VOTE: biancospino



pedit. And I found my first town read.

@STD this was at the start of page 3. do you think that's likely SvS? it was also crossposted with suichi's vote, meaning they were both noticing the same thing. no one's vote is higher than kyoko/suichi's first suspicions on bianco I think, that set the tone of the game.

that you think being on a wagon has higher antipartner equity is crazy for me but maybe you're fakesolving because you're the wolf!!!!

she also unvoted and went after wednesday addams. she couldn't have known shuichi was posting at the same time so it could have been a bus.

but it does seem unlikely.

is it maki, then? hold on

[furtiveglance]

It's stating the obvious

[Wednesday Addams]

I don’t know why but I’m not extremely confident sheeping furtive on anything here. He was hard defending bianco and even tried to fake duel Kuzo.

I don’t see a lot of thought put into his votes.

[Save The Dragons]

furtiveglance

Wednesday Addams

Maki Harukawa
Kaito Momota

Kokichi Oma

Gimli

Kyoko Kirigiri
Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

PenguinPower

the bigger you are the townier you are

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I did vote bianco, voted wedbsday and still pushed bianco. I wasnt a fan of the way wagon got momentum when he went vla but he was my top scumread

[Save The Dragons]

maybe it's maki

VOTE: maki roll

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Im not a fan of hammering early but i was always happy with the wagon being on bianco.

I called out both the votes and unvotes on him and explained why the preassure and depressure at that time was wierd not the wagon itself.

I think kaito was bussing though

[Wednesday Addams]

maybe it's maki

VOTE: maki roll

This vote is funny if you like sushi.

[Wednesday Addams]

Im not a fan of hammering early but i was always happy with the wagon being on bianco.

I called out both the votes and unvotes on him and explained why the preassure and depressure at that time was wierd not the wagon itself.

I think kaito was bussing though

What makes you think that?

[Save The Dragons]

that was my thought originally but i think the wagon might be pure

it's weird to bus a pr

but it could explain why n_m was hesitant with the hammer, he didn't want to kill his buddy with another buddy on the wagon already if he could help it

[Wednesday Addams]

The paranthetical you quoted does indeed only work in the case where std and futive are partners. I said it myself how I don't find it likely, so I don't get where you find me assuming people guilty until proven otherwise. If anything I have advocated for the idea of them being partners to be rejected.

I'm saying, why did you feel the need to even entertain the idea to reject it at that point in game?

Why can't they just be posting what is on their mind?

This probably looks good for Kiri.

[Kokichi Oma]

The undead team consists of a Vampire, a Witch, and a Ghoul.

How did I miss this

[Wednesday Addams]

I think STD is really townie because if he’s actually fake solving here, than I want lessons. lol

[Maki Harukawa]

Guess I was wrong, can't say I'm upset about the result though.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

He didnt think it will end with a hammer when he voted he was one of early votes on someone almost all town was scum reading.

He just sheeped the flow and was then asking others to not vote in case were sure we will elim them regardless of their claim.

Thats such a wierd worry for a town mindset who was voting himself

[Save The Dragons]

i agree, it was very LAMIST

i think it's possible and i'm not opposed to givin' kaito the boot today but i just wouldn't be surprised if the wagon was all pure