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[furtiveglance]

Like I know thats like walking into tgp ‘master plan’ but its very possible things got out of hand and they fucked up the antiassociative like the other cat said.

There is also tinfoil shurro/tgp/fire but that requires a pretty dumb ultra white flag gambit. Is interesting niether of them want to lim each other today though.

We can try to ‘mechanically solve’ like that but I think that can backfire pretty easily if we get one fact wrong. Which given how many facts you have to get right at the same time is not unlikely at all.

Lets just murder the person more likely to be scum today.

I'm thinking

But yes I think Fire is scummy

[Shirou]

i am never gonna get used to this look

mood

I think I'll eventually get used to it though, changes to old things is always weird but dunno, I want to believe it's for the better and we'll get used to it despite what our brains tell us right now

[Shirou]

And if we can get enough not scum together AND accept a few players as town e.g.

me

/CSF/giu/Norwee for instance, then there could be a mech solve where we vote out [x,y] where one HAS to be mafia

Spoiler: press X to

[petapan]

Vote Count 3.01

Iztaccihuatl
Izta-Popo Zoquiapan National Park, México/Puebla, Mexico
Elevation: 5,230 meters

furtiveglance (1):

Shirou

Not Voting (8):

Cat Scratch Fever, fireisredsir, Gimli, giuseppina, Klick, Toto, furtiveglance, NorwegianboyEE

With 9 alive, it's 5 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 3 is January 31 at 6:30 PM EST.

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[Shirou]

maybe it's Furtive/Toto

who knows I don't I just know there's prob scum in my PoE and it's hard to find motivation to post because I think people in my PoE are clearly scumposting but votes aren't being thrown yet

[furtiveglance]

maybe it's Furtive/Toto

who knows I don't I just know there's prob scum in my PoE and it's hard to find motivation to post because I think people in my PoE are clearly scumposting but votes aren't being thrown yet

All I have done is replaced in and led on mafia. How can you possibly justify your absurd view?

[Shirou]

do you guys really think that abnormal confidence Furtive gets on scum!TGP when he begins to get poked by others is normal?

It's very likely not

He was trying to shade other slots for not voting TGP even before the flip

It all looks like almost crystal clear scum agenda of lining up miseliminations due to his partner flips

I believe he also unvoted me only because people weren't too into a shirou wagon atm, I think if he was town and really believed his read, he would stand his ground more and explain why I'm scum here in his view

I don't care if you guys go along with me or not Furtive is still scum to me regardless and I'm gonna insist on him, but look at Furtive instead, he's trying to gauge who is viable or not here and clear himself for the flip

p-edit lol

[Shirou]

maybe it's Furtive/Toto

who knows I don't I just know there's prob scum in my PoE and it's hard to find motivation to post because I think people in my PoE are clearly scumposting but votes aren't being thrown yet

All I have done is replaced in and led on mafia. How can you possibly justify your absurd view?

do u guys not understand

this needs to die pls

I literally single-handedly led on TGP D1 when no one else believed on it and he's scum reading me anyway and thinks fire looks better than me when fire/ari slot was what made us not eliminate TGP D1

It doesn't look real

Can we just win the game by limming Furtive and if wrong Fire?

Please and thank you

If somehow that doesn't win the game I can effort here but it does win the game in my head I would be beyond confused if it doesn't

[furtiveglance]

do you guys really think that abnormal confidence Furtive gets on scum!TGP when he begins to get poked by others is normal?

It's very likely not

He was trying to shade other slots for not voting TGP even before the flip

It all looks like almost crystal clear scum agenda of lining up miseliminations due to his partner flips

I believe he also unvoted me only because people weren't too into a shirou wagon atm, I think if he was town and really believed his read, he would stand his ground more and explain why I'm scum here in his view

I don't care if you guys go along with me or not Furtive is still scum to me regardless and I'm gonna insist on him, but look at Furtive instead, he's trying to gauge who is viable or not here and clear himself for the flip

p-edit lol

I'm not gonna accept losing to you if you're mafia. So if you continue down this path I will literally just omgus you with everything I have, and if we are both town and lose, I will blame you.

This is your choice.

[Shirou]

please do omgus because if me flipping makes you/Fire go down next I think it may not be the worst deal although I want you guys eliminated first of course

Like

do I need to case myself on why I'm not scum here given how TGP treated me?

Do you really think that random town read after "suspecting me" is an attempt at distancing? He just realized he couldn't touch me yet

[furtiveglance]

maybe it's Furtive/Toto

who knows I don't I just know there's prob scum in my PoE and it's hard to find motivation to post because I think people in my PoE are clearly scumposting but votes aren't being thrown yet

All I have done is replaced in and led on mafia. How can you possibly justify your absurd view?

do u guys not understand

this needs to die pls

I literally single-handedly led on TGP D1 when no one else believed on it and he's scum reading me anyway and thinks fire looks better than me when fire/ari slot was what made us not eliminate TGP D1

It doesn't look real

Can we just win the game by limming Furtive and if wrong Fire?

Please and thank you

If somehow that doesn't win the game I can effort here but it does win the game in my head I would be beyond confused if it doesn't

This is just lying about me. I am scumreading Fire

I need slots like CSF/giu/Klick to step up and think logically because I'm as of now locked in to trying to kill Shirou

VOTE: Shirou

[furtiveglance]

please do omgus because if me flipping makes you/Fire go down next I think it may not be the worst deal although I want you guys eliminated first of course

Like

do I need to case myself on why I'm not scum here given how TGP treated me?

Do you really think that random town read after "suspecting me" is an attempt at distancing? He just realized he couldn't touch me yet

If we're both town, do you accept the blame?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you knucleheads stop ramming into each other and argue logically.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How sure are you of this read Shirou? I feel like Furtive isn't really arguing in an manner that would be beneficial to himself if scum here.

[Toto]

I gotta say something smells


I feel dirty like I just saw a bad play

[fireisredsir]

my instinct to latest furtive posting is that although on a surface level i find it pretty scummy (the mindset makes no sense to me, he seems to be treating shirou as town yet is forcing himself to 1v1 rather than. do anything else. and seems very unaware/hypocritical with respect to how others should perceive him vs how he is perceiving others)

however

my impression from having played with furtive is that this is more like how he plays as town than how he plays as scum

however

it seems they removed the ability to easily meta people (or im dumb and can't find it) so i cannot fact check that

[fireisredsir]

although however

oh no i made a grammar error

[fireisredsir]

Fire scum is what logic tells me.

I dont think fire should be allowed to endgame in any case.

can you explain the logic

what do you think ari's plan was there

[Toto]

Fire scum is what logic tells me.

I dont think fire should be allowed to endgame in any case.

can you explain the logic

what do you think ari's plan was there

Logic is the following:

1) Ari told Shurro not to kill TGP on D1
2) TGP hammered Una to avoid counterwagons (Ari/TGP)
3) TGP post hammer comment 'I wanted Air more, but this is fine" (paraphrasing). This can be seen as a way to distance themselves from Ari
4) On D2 when TGP looks like the most likely candidate doubles down: 'Lets flip Fire - I'll vote myself if town'. Now this can be interpreted as either: bad attempt at futher distancing or framing attempt.
5) TGP when called out and hammer looked inevitable triples down. Again, this was either a frame or a bad attempt to distance.
6) STD was scum reading fire and gets NKed.
7) CSF already mentioned this, but keeping the wagon options open for busers is good for Fire. Specially good if it is fire + other busser.

Could this be a framing attempt? sure -- but also, ocam's razor.

[Toto]

My hesitation is that Shurro is the one trying to frame you. That's part of why the 'this game gets weirder the longer it goes' comment pinged me.

[fireisredsir]

ok that's p reasonable actually

i would still argue though that it would have been pretty easily identifiable for a scumteam that tgp was not living to endgame by like, mid day 1

i don't really think ari sticks her neck out for partner tgp there. her response to the pressure on him seems very uninformed imo

[fireisredsir]

shirou did try to set it up as framing ari for tgp not getting limmed and that specific interaction was a significant part of why i thought it was a tgp/shirou scumteam from spec

[Klick]

My tinfoil is that furtive/Shirou both bussed and are now bussing each other not intending for either of them to be followed

I don't think this is actually particularly likely but it definitely crossed my mind

My dude

I have seen you play very well

What is this

What is it

What

A tinfoil that isn't particularly likely, as it was presented

I feel like thoughts like that are worth presenting even when they're a bit out-there
And there's a difference between 'lol furtive/Shirou my super next-level theory' and 'YOU KNOW WHAT GUYS IT'S FURTIVE AND SHIROU TRUST ME'

[Klick]

My tinfoil is that furtive/Shirou both bussed and are now bussing each other not intending for either of them to be followed

I don't think this is actually particularly likely but it definitely crossed my mind

My dude

I have seen you play very well

Wait a second is this even true
I thought you thought I played terribly in Cosmos
When did I play well

[Cat Scratch Fever]

It's not against the rules to throw or I'd be banned after pairs mafia

I'm town, furtive. I have no energy to fight against your elimination, no good grasp of d1,.etc. sucks to replace in yo. That's for both of us

Gross post tbh