Legends of the Buisness Company [Staplers Take Over the World]

[SirCakez]

enchant town - this is just Enchant's town meta. I have a good feel for him.
gamma town - crazy challenge on me was definitely what town Gamma would do
alisae kinda town e feels pretty engaged with this game and their interactions seem pretty town all around. like I don't think Alisae's scum game looks like this.
t bone town his engagement with me in the PT + out here is town
shirou town feels like the T in TvS w/Pooky - pookys attacks on him were so ass

haschel scummish? townish? - early shitposts seemed scummy but he's been pretty good recently like the post I quoted that reminded me of Among Us
norwe idk - literally have like no vibe from his posts which is weird because I usually do

penguin kinda scummy - feel like this is self explanatory tbh lol
std scumzors - literally all over my ISO he vomits scumposts
pooky scummish - bleghurhg push on Shirou looks scum motivated and i don't fucking know this guy is never town with me
furtive nullscumish - his posts have never been great + his recent response to the wagon looks scummy af
titus/freedom scummish - freedom made a lot of scumposts and Titus's entrance into the game feels pretty weaksauce

[SirCakez]

ok lets lim her tomorrow then

[SirCakez]

oops i didn't mean to hammer
well if I did THAT MEANS I SURVIVED DAY ONE LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Save The Dragons]

literally what i've been vomiting in my scumposts dude

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if furtive flips scum my solve for the rest of the team is like Shirou-Penguin-SirCakes

if furtive flips town I'm going to re-examine my life goals.

[Thestatusquo]

cakez, is this the post you're referring to from among us? If so I don't really see the comparison.

Subject: Among Us Mafia [GAME OVER]

First of all, normally I give zero fucks about proving I’m town; traditionally the only way to do that is to die so the priority should always go to finding scum. However while driving home from Boxing Day obligations I did think of one question for everybody voting for me: Why did I go to Comms on Night One?

Remember, Akarin posted a plan that listed everybody but Reck and I going to the rooms Cafeteria/Electric/Security/Admin/Comms. I stated that I would be going to a room that had people in it. It was clarified that “Comms” on the plan was supposed to be “Reactor”. I went to Comms anyway because that’s where my short task was. What is the motivation for Scumschel to go to Comms? Hope that Reck went there too? Hope that the people I locked out of Electrical will join me but only one of them even though I know that all of those people have stated they want to group up and are likely to join one of the other listed locations? Seriously, what’s my endgame there? As it turns out I did indeed end up with one other person, and neither of us killed each other. Which is more likely: 1) I stated I would be in a room with other people and then when the group plan swapped to Reactor I decided that it was important to go to Comms anyway instead of any of the other rooms I could have gone to that would have bolstered my statement, for no scum gain whatsoever, or 2) I had a task in Comms and went there to do it?

***

Anyway. Let’s find scum.

Here’s Bell.



We know Bell is scum.

I thought that Titus was suspicious on Day 1, but after we ended up in Comms together she became not an optimal elimination for Day 2. Nevertheless, Bell goes for her hard despite not indicating strong feelings about Titus the day before. Is this some sort of extreme bus? Doubtful, since 1) all it did was attract attention to Bell, and 2) it was 100% unnecessary for scum to bus there. Conclusion: Titus is town.



Who was on the wagon?



First thing we can see is that Flea was the second vote on the wagon that Bell was pushing, on a player I have concluded is town.

Here’s everything that Flea said about Bell, as well as Flea’s list of reads.



Nothing committal about Bell at all, and says he “was where he said he would be” as way of explanation why fae is not joining the Bellwagon and is instead joining the Tituswagon. We also see dismay that Bell was hammered, and a scumread on a player we know 100% is town.

I’m gonna come back to the Bellwagon chart in a bit, but faer play today is pretty bad as well.

As much as I'd love to clarify those posts, theyre over my 50 word limit and blatently breaching that is liable to be bad, especially as this is my long task I'll have a read over once I've slept (whoo 4am) and break them down for you.

Unless there is also a postcount restriction, which we haven’t been given any indication exists, there is literally nothing preventing Flea from clarifying the posts in question over time. Unless, of course, fae doesn’t want to.

I still have no idea why Hasc is voting me.
Consider this Intent then I guess? I should look at their ISO.

Bullshit. I dedicated an entire paragraph to Flea in the same post I made my vote. Here it is again:

I was asked to explain my scumreads. First of all, I mentioned Murdercat in my previous post; there are connections to known scum Bell that I don't like at all. I also think Flea is scummy for multiple reasons; faer reads have very little substance behind them, the late no-lim vote was bad, and if you parse the no-vowel thing Flea says "I'll have read and the Bell case is priority tomorrow but I'm not expecting to be convinced" which doesn't look great in light of Bell's flip. In fact, on Day 1 Flea said a lot of things about Murdercat that ended up in a shrug and no conclusions; I can absolutely see a Bell/Murdercat/Flea team.

Don’t pretend you have no idea about something that was spelled out and then say you’re announcing intent. Also, putting somebody at E-1 because their ISO leaves you “massively unimpressed” is not a good look, especially when it’s the holidays and that person hasn’t had a chance to get back to the game yet to post about a wagon that flared up for shaky reasons.

Can anybody else in this game look at Flea today and honestly say they are doing any scumhunting at all? Even a little bit? I can’t say that; Flea has spent the entire day talking about faer post restriction and talking about how claiming was a bad idea after all. The latter was obvious from the start of the game. Normally I’d say there’s no followup but Flea is not producing anything with which to follow up on in the first place! Flea, you think I’m scum? Fucking interrogate me. Don’t just speak vague “I don’t understand why HC is voting for me”s in my general direction.

Oh, I forgot about this but check out post #210. Specifically this part of #210:

There is no Storage room on the ship.

Okay this took a lot longer than I thought it would take and I’m not even done yet. Tomorrow afternoon I’ll go back to the diagram but focus it on Murdercat this time. For now, though, sleep.

MOD NOTE: FIXED QUOTE TAGS

[NorwegianboyEE]

Woah those arrows used to draw associations is awesome, i love it.

[Thestatusquo]

I didnt get it at the time, but now having been involved with a bunch of survivor stuff on this site I'm pretty sure that style is a LSG thing.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

enchant town - this is just Enchant's town meta. I have a good feel for him.
gamma town - crazy challenge on me was definitely what town Gamma would do
alisae kinda town e feels pretty engaged with this game and their interactions seem pretty town all around. like I don't think Alisae's scum game looks like this.
t bone town his engagement with me in the PT + out here is town
shirou town feels like the T in TvS w/Pooky - pookys attacks on him were so ass

haschel scummish? townish? - early shitposts seemed scummy but he's been pretty good recently like the post I quoted that reminded me of Among Us
norwe idk - literally have like no vibe from his posts which is weird because I usually do

penguin kinda scummy - feel like this is self explanatory tbh lol
std scumzors - literally all over my ISO he vomits scumposts
pooky scummish - bleghurhg push on Shirou looks scum motivated and i don't fucking know this guy is never town with me
furtive nullscumish - his posts have never been great + his recent response to the wagon looks scummy af
titus/freedom scummish - freedom made a lot of scumposts and Titus's entrance into the game feels pretty weaksauce

thanks i appreciate it.

feels really weird to me when your top reason for shirou town is because i'm pushing on him and your top reason for me being scum is because my push on shirou looks scum motivated

can you go into more details about why my push on shirou is scum!me pushing on town!him?

[SirCakez]

yeah it is TSQ
it's more of a tone/vibe/posting style read? I don't know how to explain it. but I feel like he sounds like he did in that post/game.

[SirCakez]

enchant town - this is just Enchant's town meta. I have a good feel for him.
gamma town - crazy challenge on me was definitely what town Gamma would do
alisae kinda town e feels pretty engaged with this game and their interactions seem pretty town all around. like I don't think Alisae's scum game looks like this.
t bone town his engagement with me in the PT + out here is town
shirou town feels like the T in TvS w/Pooky - pookys attacks on him were so ass

haschel scummish? townish? - early shitposts seemed scummy but he's been pretty good recently like the post I quoted that reminded me of Among Us
norwe idk - literally have like no vibe from his posts which is weird because I usually do

penguin kinda scummy - feel like this is self explanatory tbh lol
std scumzors - literally all over my ISO he vomits scumposts
pooky scummish - bleghurhg push on Shirou looks scum motivated and i don't fucking know this guy is never town with me
furtive nullscumish - his posts have never been great + his recent response to the wagon looks scummy af
titus/freedom scummish - freedom made a lot of scumposts and Titus's entrance into the game feels pretty weaksauce

thanks i appreciate it.

feels really weird to me when your top reason for shirou town is because i'm pushing on him and your top reason for me being scum is because my push on shirou looks scum motivated

can you go into more details about why my push on shirou is scum!me pushing on town!him?

this is why I didn't want to put reasons for everything because it's not detailed out i just wanted to get something down for each read. like that's not the only reasons for my reads on either of you.

but essentially, your push on Shirou feels to me like a powerwolf trying to force an active town player into the scum pile. like it reminds me of shit you've done to me in the past.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Spoiler: Pooky Wall on Shirou Scum

I have been making the case for some time now that Shirou's antics come from a place of performative bullshit and not an actual town player so I'm going to explain a bit why by analyzing two sequences.

If you think I am wrong about this feel free to explain how these sequences actually make sense from a town player to me.

Spoiler: Shirou Ate

shirou doesnt even believe im mafia

hes just voting me to shut me up

EXACTLY actually

I think you flip town more often than you flip scum but I'm voting you because not only I'm never letting scum!you get one over me like this, even if you're town I'm just repaying the favor

you've been throwing the same shit in this thread since the game

started

I didn't even wanted to do this pooky but you're being unplayable levels of obnoxious this game and this is coming from ME, SHIROU

The game challenge mechanic makes it so that anyone that wants to can literally, not only figuratively as I often do, but LITERALLY force the game to go along with them

When I scream/spam in the thread people still have a CHOICE of who to vote, we don't here as long as you keep challenging whoever you want like this even if most aren't interested on it

if scum get punished but if town we're gonna talk in the dead thread

Spoiler: More Shirou AtE

If you negated challenge and Pooky did anything other than challenge my team it's in fact a scum claim from him considering how he has been acting so far

in fact has he SAID HE WOULD DO THIS? Go along with you?

Gamma this is important

DON'T LIE

Gamma it's literally a scum claim if he did

LITERALLY

You think he talks so much about hero arc blah blah self-voting blah blah if he's not deadly and unmistakably sure his solve is correct?

if he's considering right now that he's nearly yeeted it's literally just him backpedalling

These two pieces of AtE take place ~ 1 hour apart tonight. I believe they are both designed for AtE and not an actual mindset by Shirou because by their very content they are contradictory.


The first piece of AtE is a complaint that Pooky has made this game so toxic and so overwhelming for him that he is forcing a 1 for 1 trade with me to make it bearable for him to play or w/e. He claims the nature of the game is such that I am holding it hostage and being overwhelmingly obnoxious and that I must be ended for it to regain any semblance of normalcy.

The second piece of AtE is claiming that if I were to actually reconsider his slot and get cold feet on challenging him, I would be scum-claiming and should be autoyeeted.

These two emotions are in conflict. According to AtE1, I am a toxic obnoxious asshole who must be yeeted to make the game playable because I refuse to consider Shirou town. The second part says if I am actually reconsidering then I must be a backpedaling scumbag because how could someone who is that sure decide to change his mind?

Like what the fuck is that? So I'm a dickhead if I don't change my mind but i'm a scumbag if I do change my mind? Sounds like he just wants me dead no matter what. Why can't town!pooky change his mind on Shirou?

The goal of these two pieces of AtE are to make the case that Pooky should die

regardless

of what Pooky actually does.

My actions are not actually important here - his framing is that I should be killed regardless of what my actions are because I'm either scum, bad, or obnoxious no matter what path I take.

I don't see how this view can possibly come from a town player because like what does he actually want? He says in ATE part 1 that he thinks im probably town but i've made the game so unplayable for him and others that I must be yeeted because I refuse to ever reconsider him- and he says in ATE 2 that if I do reconsider then I'm backpedaling scum who is trying to get out of 1v1ing him with a direct challenge. This mindset doesn't make actual sense from town POV. What is Town Him actually supposed to want here IF he thinks I'm town? The obvious answer is for me[pooky] to give him[shirou] a chance to prove he's town.

What is the reasonable offer for him to make to me here? it's p simple I'll explain it below:



"Hi Pooky, I know you think I'm mafia, you're wrong, I am a pretty good scumhunter tho and I think ____ is mafia so I'm willing to make you a deal, you work with me just on this one lim, give me a chance to get a baddie and let's go from there ok? This game is nightless so it sucks ass to bus but I think you'll agree I should be given at least one shot to nail some bad guys"

Instead his entire narrative arc towards me is to paint himself as some kind of victim of my obnoxious push that overarches the entire game and makes it unplayable for him.

But look at what is actually happening in the game and you tell me if my "pressure" on him is actually making it unplayable for him.

Am I actually voting for Shirou? Is lots of people lining up to vote shirou? The answer is a resounding no - it is literally impossible for this to happen. It's pretty easy for him to simply ignore me and scumhunt on his own.

He complains about the structure of the game being that I can simply hijack it with challenging him immediately. Except like why is this a concern? I can't challenge him right now and if he developed a scumread on someone, he can simply challenge them before I challenge him. In fact he can even declare to me something along the lines of "DO NOT CHALLENGE ME POOKY I WILL CHALLENGE SOMEONE ELSE FIRST AND IT SHOULD BE THE SAME TO YOU"

If he wanted to make sure I don't challenge him or interfere with his desire to play the game his way.

Instead he feels incredible pressure and says I am being unplayable levels of toxic to him. Which like ok but how does that make sense?

If there is anything you do read this last part of analysis

Why is Pooky calling Shirou scum over and over again

"I didn't even wanted to do this pooky but you're being unplayable levels of obnoxious this game and this is coming from ME, SHIROU"

why is he saying that to me.

I am not voting for Shirou. I can't vote for Shirou. In fact the likely lim person today is me, not Shirou. so why is it that he considers my pressure on him unbearable and making the game obnoxious and toxic for HIM.

Put yourself in his shoes. Why is Pooky saying this making HIM feel the need to pull out all this ATE.

If Pooky is

mafia

then this pressure literally means NOTHING to him because Pooky flips before Shirou does.

If Shirou is

uninformed

of Pooky's alignment and actually thinks Pooky could be scumclaiming by backpedalling or w/e nonsense he wrote - then he shouldn't CARE about Pooky's pressure because the pressure can't

actually do anything to him

Shirou can't be voted right now! Pooky is like 2-3 votes from flipping. There's no actual need to deal with scum!pooky, just flip him and laugh at him.

I believe Shirou

knows

that I am flipping as town and that is why my pressure on him is like an unbearable anvil to him - he knows what I flip as and he is pissed off he can't convince me that he is town and he's going to have to bear that and that's why he's been so upset at me saying he's scum.

because he knows that I am going to flip as town and theres a good chance he gets flipped right afterwards if people listen to me.

That's why he's screaming that I'm making the game unplayable levels of toxic or obnoxious or w/e then he has the excuse that I deserved to be limmed for being an obnoxious asshole post my flip and I shouldnt be listened to.

Specifically what parts of my case on Shirou do you think are wrong or "ass" as you so put it?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

man that spoiler quote messed up

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is why I didn't want to put reasons for everything because it's not detailed out i just wanted to get something down for each read. like that's not the only reasons for my reads on either of you.

but essentially, your push on Shirou feels to me like a powerwolf trying to force an active town player into the scum pile. like it reminds me of shit you've done to me in the past.

so my main wall on shirou is in 1408 can you explain like what part of it you feel is badly motivated scum-reasoning from me?

[Enchant]

I know what i should do if furtive flips town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If it's not the main reason why you think shirou is town and I'm scum pushing him can you explain what part of shirou's play feels town to you?

[Thestatusquo]

I guess I can see similar vibes with how HC is approaching this game but I'm wary of putting too much stock in it because I haven't seen him play scum, and if anything that post showcases a significant difference in amount of effort into the game and the reads to me.

I'm not going to be like HC is scum because he hasn't reached that effort level yet this game but town binning based off of the comparison seems odd to me.

[Firebringer]

Holmes under the Hammer vs Not Cheaters 1.11

Enchant (1): Haschel Cedricson,

furtiveglance (7 - Elimination) : Alisae, Thestatusquo, PookytheMagicalBear, Titus, NorwegianboyEE, T-Bone, Save The Dragons

SirCakez (2) : Enchant, furtiveglance,
T-Bone (0) :

Not Voting (4): Gamma Emerald, Shirou, PenguinPower, SirCakez,


With 14 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-02 15:45:00)

Mod Notes: Searching for replacement for Penguinpower

[Firebringer]

Buisness is tough and sometimes in buisness you have to make hard decisions. This is not one of those times. Holmes under the hammer has underperformed and will see a cut in workers as a result. Got to do more with less now. Get back to Buisness work!

furtiveglance was an

Employee

[Enchant]

Holmes under the Hammer Challenges Hyperpost Meta

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

reporting firebringer to the listmods for running a bastard game brb

[Save The Dragons]

Team wolf pack challenges board of misdirectors

god ddamn it

[Enchant]

Team wolf pack challenges board of misdirectors

god ddamn it

hahahahahahahah

[NorwegianboyEE]

Was kinda hoping for more time before another lolchallenge.

[Save The Dragons]

what are you talking about

did you not come up with scumreads during the last 80 pages