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[NorwegianboyEE]

My biggest reason for liking his slot though is due to my push on him. The way it didn't feel fake how he wasn't pleased with my incorrect read on him. It's something that only works once though I think, next time if scum he'll probably try to copy how he reacted in this game to attempt to be town read again.

Didn't you say it was intended to be fake from the get-go. This is a pretty big change in explanation.

Norwee I'm so tired I'm sorry I didn't make it clear on my wording there that it was fake from the get-go?

It was so over the top, isn't it kinda clear in hindsight that it was fake?

Tbh, no.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I still believe u but yeah.

[Shirou]

Hold it.

CSF called TGP/Fire bussing but DIDN'T vote TGP???

CSF has been voting TGP since forever

do you guys not understand

this is scum posting

gimli/furtive have been trying to test waters for CSF since they came in

my opinion is that they need miseliminations and are trying to cook one on CSF.

[Shirou]

i probably should spell "scum posting" as "scumposting" to be clearer hm

[Shirou]

Norwee if i die will u try to sheep my PoE?

same question to CSF

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sure i’ll consider it.

[Shirou]

like

theoretically speaking CSF could be scum but she's not scumposting and i think she deserves the win

it may not seem like it if you don't pay attention but her analysis of the game have quite a lot of insight and effort behind them, it's not just #randomthoughts

i don't remember her scum game and would next time be much more wary of her if she's scum but i like Cakez spontaneous posts before replacing out and also like her analysis/current mindset & reads so i'm good with calling her town and not eliminating there

[Shirou]

Norwee what are your thoughts at this game

talk to me

[Shirou]

who feels scummy besides TGP

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gimli and TGP are slots i feel iffy about currently

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don’t really see Aubrey as scummy but i could consider it if u think its solve.

[fireisredsir]

i think CSF is town but idk if im convinced that furtive and gimli are inherently scumposting with those posts

[Shirou]

ok if i'm alive tomorrow there's one more person to vote my suspects so that's problem solved

in the worst scenario that i'm killed here and TGP flips town though, there's 9 alive on a 6:3 ratio, 5 necessary to eliminate.

Therefore I need 5 people on the SHIP OF JUSTICE.

I'm CAPTAIN SHIROU

Objective is KILLING SCUMPOSTING slots

Ultimate ideal is winning a setup with 70% scum winrate

[Shirou]

[Norwe, CSF]

three tickets to go

@StD, @Pina, @Fire I'm formally inviting you.

[Shirou]

[Norwe, CSF]

three tickets to go

@StD, @Pina, @Fire I'm formally inviting you.

actually also you @Toto.

If Fire is scum I need one more slot there, just like if you're.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@mod
Aubrey need to be crossed out and replaced with Furtive on page 1.

[Shirou]

[Norwe, CSF]

three tickets to go

@StD, @Pina, @Fire I'm formally inviting you.

actually also you @Toto.

If Fire is scum I need one more slot there, just like if you're.

Ok fuck Fire/Toto can both be scum bussing scum!TGP

I NEED ONE MORE if tgp is scum.

If TGP is scum I think Klick is town, so I also want to invinte you @Klick on a TGP red flip.

If TGP flips green I think Klick is out of the group unfortunately.

[Shirou]

so basically I want to talk with/convice [Norwee, CSF, STD, Pina, Fire]

If TGP is scum, I wanna include Klick on the group.

If TGP is town, I wanna include Toto on the group.

[Shirou]

UNVOTE:

[fireisredsir]

i don't really have any interest at all in following you for the sake of following you

even if i was convinced you were town (which im not at all) i wouldn't have much interest in that after dance game

im going to vote for who i think is scum (although it does overlap mostly)

[Shirou]

i don't really have any interest at all in following you for the sake of following you

I don't mean it like that

I'm gonna try to convince you guys of it

[fireisredsir]

that's fine you're welcome to try

[Toto]

If all the reason you have to town read norwee is the reaction to your stun then I dont really think the way they reacted is in any way hard to fake as scum. So you are either confbiased or tmid, or you and norwee are partners. Which is my favorite theory.

You still need to explain why you were hard town reading them BEFORE the stunt, since as you have explained it was always part of the plan.

What gave you the confidence to pull that. I asked this before and you responded with something equivalent to “trust me bro”.

Like I don’t get the mindset.
Maybe you just have an inflated ego and are confbiased I just don’t see how it works other wise.

[Save The Dragons]

i like gimli for potential scum but i'm not sure about the rest of your poe @shirou

[Shirou]

My ?final? thoughts on this dayphase:

I believe that killing all of [Gimli, Furtive, TGP] guarantees at least one scum, and we can afford up to 3 eliminations until reaching ELO. Therefore, we need a group of 3 people that

can't all be town

in my opinion and this is the most likely group at the moment.

I think flipping TGP today to sort Klick isn't a bad idea. Klick was the first slot to proactively town lean/try to "protect" TGP when everyone suspected them and one of the facts of this setup is that historically, scum has often

bussed

to disassociate. It even has a name ("White Flag Gambit") and was first used by the founder of this site (Mith! Random thank you for creating this site!).

If TGP is

scum

:

I believe if TGP and Klick were partners, Klick wouldn't give such a confident town read/defense of TGP as he's going down, it's not gonna look good after the flip. Therefore I believe that Klick/TGP aren't partnered, the defense seems too open and straightforward to come from my partners. If TGP flips red, I believe Klick deserves to be in the townblock/out of the PoE, just as I believe Toto needs to be inserted on it. Toto has often said they scum read TGP but is hesitant to vote there until the last minute it seems, it could very well be a weak bus that he knows has a heavy price on this setup, so he's trying to not go into that direction as much as possible.

Therefore, if TGP is scum I wouldn't recommend eliminating Klick.

My PoE for Day 3 would be: [Furtive/Toto > Gimli]

if TGP is

town

:

I believe if TGP is town, everyone that was correctly town reading him is in fact

suspicious

. Why? Because

majority

couldn't see towny things there, and the

majority

of players are

town

. It seems like town would have agreed that TGP posts are sketchy, but some people don't get it at all? It's

scum indicative

, and I don't need a far-off example to show why:

In the recent Dance Large Theme moderated by Datisi, scum!Ydrasse had the same position about town!Furtive (while he was going down as everyone thought his posts were rather scummy), she was one of the unique slots to say she town read them along with his neighbor MariaR. I believe MariaR was more inclined to town read him given they had a PT/she had access to additional content from him, but even so you could say that tell had around 50% odds of getting scum in that game, getting one scum in two eliminations isn't bad you would always win games like that.

There's three players that I've seen hinting on "not getting" the reads on TGP, be it by finding it all kinda null/not interesting (Aubrey) or straight up town leaning the slot (Klick/Gimli). I believe not doubting TGP here is quite hard as he has:

1) A very weird progression of his read on me
2) Quick hammered but is trying to say he didn't know it wasn't hammer (I don't dislike the quick hammer as much as I dislike him trying to give excuses for it)
3) Doesn't seem to be very engaged towards solving the game, I feel that other than his pushback against me (that was pushing him and he gives up later) he has gone along with the flow of the game, and I think if Fire is town wanting to vote Fire here is kinda a bit scum indicative, because I'm sure that if Fire is town he was the supposed miselimination today after yesterday. That's also a point against Aubrey given he didn't reconsider anything at all in day 2 start even though he himself realizes the Gamma nightkills points to scum more likely than not, not feeling threatened in day 1.

I believe Toto can still be scum if TGP is town, but I think there would still be two scum in my PoE of [Gimli > Klick/Furtive] in that case, so I guess maybe it doesn't matter?

If TGP is town, I wouldn't recommend eliminating Toto.

I'll now try to briefly explain in my next post what I think is scummy about the locked slots in the PoE (Gimli/Furtive) other than TGP (which is about to die anyway and I don't feel it's necessary because I've already talked about it).