Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[T-Bone]

Shit I think you're right, Enchant. Which means DDS is not clear either.

[Past Present Future]

I mean if the game is going after today then sure. I think the last Solar is basically confirmed now in light of Firebringer's flip.

I was surprised he flipped Lunar. I thought I'd he did flip it would have been solar.

I think the content of his role is very interesting, in that it's a role that manipulates what phase we are in.

It looks like a natural counterpart to the role PPF has claimed.

The one thing I want to recheck is the design of Porkens and MMR's roles before I 100% commit.

Yeah, I think it’s extremely unlikely there’s only two solars. Fire having a comparable role to me is wild.

[Past Present Future]

Shit I think you're right, Enchant. Which means DDS is not clear either.

We don’t know how many scum are left. I’m think one more solar but Enchant could possibly be right I suppose?

[T-Bone]

I'm not saying I want to atm

But what is the implication if we flip you now, Nancy? What happens to the game with your claimed princess role?

[Past Present Future]

Cat Scratch Fever has died. Their role was

Spoiler:

Town Guardian

Spoiler: Role PM

Town Guardian

During the night phase, you may choose to give a player a shield. Players with a shield are protected from 1 negative effect or kill (besides elimination). If a shield protects a player, you will be informed it was broken.
Shields automatically break at the start of the next night phase.

You win when at least one player is alive, and all living players are aligned with the town.

Dusk 5 Begins

VC 9.0.0

Not Voting (5) Magician, T-Bone, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Past Present Future, Enchant,

With 5 alive it takes 3 to eliminate.
Deadline (expired on 2023-01-20 12:46:29)

Wtf? Actually I think Enchant could be right. Otherwise it wouldn’t be dusk right?

[Past Present Future]

I'm not saying I want to atm

But what is the implication if we flip you now, Nancy? What happens to the game with your claimed princess role?

It skips to alternative night I believe, so we hit noon again.

[T-Bone]

No it would be, FB declined to change the phase we were in.

[T-Bone]

FB likely chose to get another use of a factional ability

[Past Present Future]

No it would be, FB declined to change the phase we were in.

Yeah so why did you think he did that? I thought initially another solar made the most sense but Fire not changing time to night, makes me think Enchant could be right. Maybe Lunar has delayed kills. That also fits with what Prof thought as well.

[Past Present Future]

FB likely chose to get another use of a factional ability

I suppose that’s also possible.

[T-Bone]

Man what a puzzling conundrum.

If we think there's another Lunar because of recruitment then we have to either hit them now or flip PPF to skip night to prevent the Lunar win.

But if PPF is not Solar then doing that gives them the win. But if PPF is solar then town wins if we do that (and the roleclaim is true)

Of course there could be no more Lunar and FB didn't change the phase because he just didn't care since his faction lost. In which case we'd be talking ourselves into a mislim for no reason.

On second thought I take it back you made a great kill Solar. We would not be entertaining Lunar still being alive if DDS was killed lololol

[Enchant]

Remember that there's additional anti-town usage on Megh which prevented CSF from saving them.

[Enchant]

So far i think CSF protected DDS after Megh perished. So if they are not converted before, unlikely they are now.

[Enchant]

Damn i really need to update list. Anyway consider this elo and don't vote/etc.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

On one hand, it feels incorrect to me that we would correctly eliminate 5/8 times and that leave us in 3-1-1

On the other hand, Lunar seems blatantly less powerful than Solar with the info we have. The Lunar factional abilities would have to be rather strong without a fourth Lunar for it to make sense

I think aiming for Solar today is correct regardless

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Bella and I decided that Enchant and PPF are the only two people who make any sense as Solar at this point

I'm going to get home from work in two minutes and then I'd like to talk about PPF's role claiming situation throughout the game.

[Past Present Future]

On one hand, it feels incorrect to me that we would correctly eliminate 5/8 times and that leave us in 3-1-1

On the other hand, Lunar seems blatantly less powerful than Solar with the info we have. The Lunar factional abilities would have to be rather strong without a fourth Lunar for it to make sense

I think aiming for Solar today is correct regardless

Well you were clearly right on Fire but I thought he didn’t make any sense as lunar. In fact I thought FA had been really townie but Mastina I guess is a genius, since she correctly said that this was FA’s scum meta we were seeing. I feel really dumb now being pocketed by both Fire and Ydrasse. But I’m usually really good at correctly parsing associative tells but I was totally fooled this time.

[Past Present Future]

On one hand, it feels incorrect to me that we would correctly eliminate 5/8 times and that leave us in 3-1-1

On the other hand, Lunar seems blatantly less powerful than Solar with the info we have. The Lunar factional abilities would have to be rather strong without a fourth Lunar for it to make sense

I think aiming for Solar today is correct regardless

Why are you assuming then there’s another solar? I assumed that too but I now have doubts after Fire’s flip. T-Bone thinks lunar did something with factionals, so maybe the delayed kill theory fits that?

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

On one hand, it feels incorrect to me that we would correctly eliminate 5/8 times and that leave us in 3-1-1

On the other hand, Lunar seems blatantly less powerful than Solar with the info we have. The Lunar factional abilities would have to be rather strong without a fourth Lunar for it to make sense

I think aiming for Solar today is correct regardless

Well you were clearly right on Fire but I thought he didn’t make any sense as lunar. In fact I thought FA had been really townie but Mastina I guess is a genius, since she correctly said that this was FA’s scum meta we were seeing. I feel really dumb now being pocketed by both Fire and Ydrasse. But I’m usually really good at correctly parsing associative tells but I was totally fooled this time.

I thought it was possible particularly because it was very early in the game. Scum like to mess about with associatives early on when there's very little at stake. And there was literally nothing else that felt like it disqualified Firebringer as Lunar.

I wish we could have discussed it as a possibility instead of arguing about how it was so obvious that I had to be scum for considering it.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

On one hand, it feels incorrect to me that we would correctly eliminate 5/8 times and that leave us in 3-1-1

On the other hand, Lunar seems blatantly less powerful than Solar with the info we have. The Lunar factional abilities would have to be rather strong without a fourth Lunar for it to make sense

I think aiming for Solar today is correct regardless

Why are you assuming then there’s another solar? I assumed that too but I now have doubts after Fire’s flip. T-Bone thinks lunar did something with factionals, so maybe the delayed kill theory fits that?

2 Solar doesn't feel fair at all to Solar, even without the 4 Lunar that would be necessary for that. I'd expect RR to have also had a PR if that were the case.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Wdm bad kill

CSF was confirmed town.

Why was CSF confirmed town?

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I think CSF was killed because Solar assumed I had their Guardian effect

[Past Present Future]

Btw, which head is posting now, Klick or Bella?

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Lunar seems to have many factional abilities, which they could use, some of them are limited.


I have doubts still, but think one of these could be convert.

Klick

Bella almost always signs and I haven't signed once

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Oops quote

I don't think Lunar conversion is likely