I did read the post in its entirety, and understand the overall point you were trying to make. This being said, the quoting of farside-mod and trying to figure out whether or not the day was over was not a proponent of my reasoning for finding you suspicious. This is about the only thing about this post that I didn't have a problem with, as the rules did say vote counts and votes would be misleading.Zorblag wrote:I posted this after Xtoxm had apparently hammered himself. I waited a while and the day didn't end so I was trying to make sure that we weren't assuming that we were really in twilight when we might not have been. If the day hadn't ended shortly after then there would have to have been some reason it hadn't; I was throwing out a couple guesses.
But posing this question aloud threatens to branch into WIFOM, which contradicts your earlier statement about wanting to gather information, as what viable information can be discerned from discussion dwelling upon WIFOM? I have no problem with someone trying to mull through possible scenarios, as I do it myself, but at least acknowledge that it is simply speculation, for as it is the train of thought seems to be inviting discussion, and discussion about theory in this case would detract from scum hunting.Zorblag wrote:As for questioning why cult would self hammer any more than a SK I was still trying to figure out a way for Xtoxm to be helping his team. I had trouble believing that someone would play as poorly as Xtoxm seems to have so I was still trying to find alternate solutions that might have merit. It seems I was wrong, but my frustration at Xtoxm's play does come up in the next post that you mention.
Furthermore, I believe xtoxm provided reasoning for his actions earlier in Day 1: he was a self-claimed outed SK, meaning he had no chances of winning since he had been exposed. He then tried to get town to keep him around by offering to serve as the town's vig, but when that proposition began to go down the tubes he must have given up.
Xtoxm wrote:What, claim as mafia? Riiiight. No you wouldn't.
I've accepted that i've lost. I don't much care for SK as a role anyway, I think it's silly to have one guy on their own against everyone. Like I said I will be playing as a vig from now on.
Yes, this is poor play, but the earlier posts provide reasoning (in my opinion) for his erratic actions. If his preceding content did not answer your questions, then why not ask him his reasons for voting as opposed to providing such statements as those above, which as I have said walk a fine line with WIFOM? This, in addition to the fact that you acknowledge the jester speculation was a stretch, then continue by bringing up another theory out of nowhere (pathological liar PR) is my reasoning for finding you suspicious. You stress the importance of acquiring more information, then provide posts with ideas such as those in 161 that would completely hinder gathering of evidence.Xtoxm wrote:Yes, I am the good guy.
I cannot win as I am outed but i'd like to continue and play for town. It's also in towns interest to keep me around and try to catch mafia, atleast while there are mislynched anyway.
I cannot win, so keeping me around does absolutely no harm, and has many advantages.
Hopefully people i've played with before like Llama/Kloud will know this.
Okay, I will take frustration into account, but only to a certain degree, as discussing the mentality of a lynched player still does not contribute to scum hunting or analyzing of Day 1 content. While this may have been posted out of irritation for xtoxm's play, this once again invites discussion that would be unhelpful to town.Zorblag wrote:176 was my first post of day 2 and was made as much out of frustration as anything else. I've said since and I'll say it again now that I wasn't trying with that post to indicate that killing the SK was a bad move for the town. Killing the SK was a good thing to do. What was troubling was that we hadn't had enough other good discussion in my opinion. It might not have done us any good but I don't think it could have hurt us. I did look at Dukes some on day one after post 128 but I really didn't do enough to get attention away from where it was narrowly focused. That's why I accept my part of the blame for our lack of scrutiny for most of the players on day one.
You claim that "the way he chose not to win arbitrarily hurts town and helps scum," which to me implies that you felt that the xtoxm lynch was not the best move. If you would have elaborated to explain the lack of information was the negative/harm you were referring to, then my opinion of this would have differed. You didn't though, and your desire for more information is already questionable based on reasonings provided both in this post and in post 362.
I appreciate the response, and my suspicions have slightly (being the key word here) lessened, but my main reasons for finding you to stand out still remain. I would like to know what others think of what I have said thus far, as input from others and discussion will help out the game tremendously, or at least I hope it will.Zorblag wrote:I don't know whether any of that will resonate with you or not but that's why I made the posts that I did. I'm glad to hear that you agree that we need to look carefully at everyone today but I think that you're taking 3 of my posts and building a somewhat out of context case from them. I'm all for everyone including myself getting gone over closely; I'd love to hear what you think of other players if you've taken a look at them as well.
