Micro 1067: Is There a Doctor in the House? - Game over!

[GrandpaMo]

just put enchant with group 1 -- there u go, u will always have atleast ONE TOWN on nurse at all times. i think this is solid so in conclusion

group 1 - a, b, c -- target nurse
group 2 - d, e -- target each other
group 3 - f, g -- target each other
group 4 - nurse -- target no one

The town on the nurse does have a 1 in 4 chance of just killing them.
And we also don't get much info of the Nurse's ability

oh fu**** i forgot about nurse posseing power of dead doc.

i was just assuming doctor dead at night type stuff damn ok that changes stuff.

that makes me think that nurse shouldn't just out then.

that means two groups of 4 is just better then.

group 1 - a, b, c, d -- target e
group 2 - e, f, g, h -- target a

regardless of what nurse is. that makes sense

[Elements]

reading through Aether's post I found this

The other group would as said be targeting a suspect, but now that I'm writing this I realize that we should choose someone inside this group to be targeted. The reason is that I realized that if the JK is in this group, and they target someone protecting the Nurse, it may block someone ability causing imbalance on the amount of protection/killing power and accidentally killing the Nurse without giving us much info.

Which I'm not sure what it changes but I'm going to have a think about it so thanks for that catch Aether

[Gimli]

just put enchant with group 1 -- there u go, u will always have atleast ONE TOWN on nurse at all times. i think this is solid so in conclusion

group 1 - a, b, c -- target nurse
group 2 - d, e -- target each other
group 3 - f, g -- target each other
group 4 - nurse -- target no one

The town on the nurse does have a 1 in 4 chance of just killing them.
And we also don't get much info of the Nurse's ability[/quote]

oh fu**** i forgot about nurse posseing power of dead doc.

i was just assuming doctor dead at night type stuff damn ok that changes stuff.

that makes me think that nurse shouldn't just out then.

that means two groups of 4 is just better then.

group 1 - a, b, c, d -- target e
group 2 - e, f, g, h -- target a

regardless of what nurse is. that makes sense[/quote]

I think outing and protecting the nurse wins us the game a large % of the time once the nurse inherits a dead doc ability.

[Gimli]

oh jesus this is horrible, I'm sorry for last post. only the last paragraph is mine.

[Elements]

I'm considering actually doing the maths...

[Gimli]

if we can protect the nurse, it's even more important for it to be outed d1, as the inherited ability will be the only confirmed ability and increases our n2 impact immensely. not outing the nurse can get it killed at night.

[Gimli]

also, not outing the nurse can have the bandwagoned scum claiming nurse, which will get cc'ed anyway, but then we might have less time to coordinate our NAs.

[Elements]

if we can protect the nurse, it's even more important for it to be outed d1, as the inherited ability will be the only confirmed ability and increases our n2 impact immensely. not outing the nurse can get it killed at night.

When a town die they flip as "Doctor" and doesn't tell us their ability.

[Elements]

also, not outing the nurse can have the bandwagoned scum claiming nurse, which will get cc'ed anyway, but then we might have less time to coordinate our NAs.

When we decide our co-ordination we can put in the caveat:
If the nurse is outed, the other group targets her instead.

e.g.
Group 1: A, b, c, d -> E
Group 2: E, f, g, h -> A

c is outed as nurse

Group 1: A, b, c, d -> E
Group 2: E, f, g, h -> c

[Elements]

You changing your pfp confused me for a sec there Gimli

[Gimli]

also, not outing the nurse can have the bandwagoned scum claiming nurse, which will get cc'ed anyway, but then we might have less time to coordinate our NAs.

When we decide our co-ordination we can put in the caveat:
If the nurse is outed, the other group targets her instead.

e.g.
Group 1: A, b, c, d -> E
Group 2: E, f, g, h -> A

c is outed as nurse

Group 1: A, b, c, d -> E
Group 2: E, f, g, h -> c

okay, that works. I didn't realise we wouldn't get a full flip. in my defence, I'm an idiot.

[Freedom]

if we can protect the nurse, it's even more important for it to be outed d1, as the inherited ability will be the only confirmed ability and increases our n2 impact immensely. not outing the nurse can get it killed at night.

Why do you say this?
We don't know what each flipped Doctor actually does.

[Freedom]

also, not outing the nurse can have the bandwagoned scum claiming nurse, which will get cc'ed anyway, but then we might have less time to coordinate our NAs.

I disagree with this.
I think that they're most likely to claim Doctor, knowing that they can't be CCed.

[Freedom]

Unless we massclaim, which I don't think we should.

[Gimli]

I think you're scumclaiming

[Gimli]

IDK.
Aren't we all told that we're just Doctor?

I disagree with this.
I think that they're most likely to claim Doctor, knowing that they can't be CCed.

how do you go from knowing we're all 'just doctor' to saying claiming doctor won't get CCed?

[Elements]

saying that the nurse would just claim doctor knowing they won't get cc'd whenever they out themself

[Gimli]

but that's not a claim that affects town's decision to eliminate.

anyway.

[Freedom]

You're misinterpreting me.
I meant that Doctor would be a safer fakeclaim then Nurse because we're all Doctors.

[Gimli]

yes, I'm dumb, it's been a while.

[Vanderscamp]

its also interesting that micro 916 - viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81889

they played circular targeting they were able to solve from that.

it looks like if we condemn town today > 0-2 town die at night (mafia rarely dies)
0 at night if mafia nks (this is also rare)
0 at night if mafia is rbed
0 at night if doc cancel out
1 at night if doc kills
1 at night if doc cancel out
2 at night if doc kills / mafia kills
3 at night if all role actions are played out independently (this is rare, i dont think it has happened in a game yet)

if we condemn mafia > 0 or 1 town die at night.
0 at night if mafia nks (this is also rare)
0 at night if mafia is rbed
0 at night if doc cancel out
1 at night if doc kills
1 at night if doc cancel out

i think these are all the possible situations. if anyone can think of anything else feel free to add

technically there can be 4 town deaths if the quack doc kills, the cpr doc kills, the mafia kills, and the weak doc tries to save the maf.
an order like quack doc -> cpr doc -> jk -> vanilla doc -> naive doc -> weak doc -> mafia goon -> nurse -> mafia goon -> could cause this to happen.

ok so this is the pov slip i was talking about that abnegation did. i feel like only mafia would have the perspective of 4 being dead because they thought about the mafia killing. notice how they say "weak doc > mafia goon > nurse > mafia goon" just feels like TMI .

I don't agree with this read at all.

I think your recent posts are very town though

[Elements]

I agree. Wh0 doesn;t think about the mafia kill when playing mafia?

[Enchant]

Nurse should claim d1 imo

Otherwise shitshow of "OUR NURSE DIED N1 PROBABLY AND MAFIA FAKECLAIM IT" issue

Nurse BECOMES Doctor. And FLIPS as one.

[Elements]

^ town

[Pavowski]

Can I get a