New Year Dance Party [afterparty]

[Firebringer]

okay im going to be very shocked now if Norwee was scum.
To just go "fuck u IC, u dont jack shit" like that. The brazeness of it.

refuge in audacity because he knows he'll lose a straight 1v1

Norwee aggro is town norwee.
I am the refuge in audactiy player friendo

[MariaR]

I mean there is 1 in those 2 pairs so idc what order they go in.

[MariaR]

Is there 2? Maybe, but at least 1

[GuiltyLion]

the way I think scum pick their partners is that I think they are tactical in picking who can survive a long time and is townread and desired.

don't you think you fit this description

[Aristeia]

Also like I don't think the heavy handed way Norwe came into the thread and wanted Enchant gone really makes sense to do from a risk perspective.[I don't think he's a refuge in audacity player - I've never seen him do that in practice but someone can correct me if I'm wrong]

I would expect a scum player trying to save SirCakes to say something more neutral and sneaky like "they're probly both town" because then it puts a subtle pressure on Midway to just move the game along and stop stalling because "both players are town"

which is the approach fireisred took.

[fireisredsir]

my main thing is the AtE feels kinda out of character for Enchant, he's a chaos demon, why is he trying to make us feel bad for potentially being iced out, why is he not gleefully hammering Cakez the second he has a chance to, etc

i don't think thats always true he has more depth than that

in frenemies i think he was similarly worried (as town) about being left to endgame bc then he would just get miselimmed

idr exactly what it was i didn't fact check but i think it was something along those lines

[Firebringer]

Is there 2? Maybe, but at least 1

how do u just come up with these numbers

[NorwegianboyEE]

Everyone in the last pages agreeing that i am not town is very discouraging.

norwee, do you think you should be townread

what have you done that has advanced the town wincon

What have you done other than be confirmed town?

lol are you actually trying to fight with me right now

I'm 100% town your job is to help me see why I'm wrong, not whine and be petty

What's there to say to you. I'm not being petty, just realistic. What should i have said to Mastina when they deathtunneled me in the previous game i played? They admitted by their own admission that nothing would have convinced them they were wrong on their read on me. You're the same. You don't scumread me for a good reason so there is nothing to discuss.

[Ydrasse]

re enchant : he may be chaotic but he’s also a person too

why’s meuh towny? if u think norwees scum do u think she just got lucky calling drap desperate scum like an hour into the game. i skimmed her iso and it picks up more after the fluffy parts of pairing but nothing in it felt unfakeable to me
(fwiw i feel like some of your case around norwee is like going to the worst possible interpretation so i’m not like 100% sold on him i’m at work rn if you want me to point out which parts l8r)

[fireisredsir]

comparing mastina's "soulread" and refusal to give real reasons to GL's legitimate points is kinda silly

you haven't even tried to engage with them

[Aristeia]

the way I think scum pick their partners is that I think they are tactical in picking who can survive a long time and is townread and desired.

don't you think you fit this description

my first three choices were fireisredsir, firebringer and dragons.

I asked fireisred to dance with me at post 18 before anyone had expressed any reads on him.

[Firebringer]

i feel bad for fire. He only one on his team trying

[MariaR]

Is there 2? Maybe, but at least 1

how do u just come up with these numbers

do you disagree?

[GuiltyLion]

I would expect a scum player trying to save SirCakes to say something more neutral and sneaky like "they're probly both town" because then it puts a subtle pressure on Midway to just move the game along and stop stalling because "both players are town"

I mean he was explicitly pressuring midway to move the game along

I doubt there's gonna be anything more useful to get from Enchant.

I was getting impatient myself, but making my partner have to wait? That's unacceptable.
Midway, make your decision with haste!

[Firebringer]

Is there 2? Maybe, but at least 1

how do u just come up with these numbers

do you disagree?

i dont see how u think there actually could be any scum pair. That is a rare event and with how players are this game there isn't a dunny/mariar soul pair in here that i think would do it. So i think u saying its a potential 2 is crazy without any basis. So thats why i ask how u even think that is possible

[UNOwen]

my main thing is the AtE feels kinda out of character for Enchant, he's a chaos demon, why is he trying to make us feel bad for potentially being iced out, why is he not gleefully hammering Cakez the second he has a chance to, etc

i don't think thats always true he has more depth than that

in frenemies i think he was similarly worried (as town) about being left to endgame bc then he would just get miselimmed

idr exactly what it was i didn't fact check but i think it was something along those lines

I agree, in my experience Enchant does not deserve "chaos demon" reputation. The resignation seemed very in character to me.

[GuiltyLion]

You're the same. You don't scumread me for a good reason so there is nothing to discuss.

are you seriously comparing me to mastina? I waffle and re-evaluate constantly, I even have precedent of flipping from tunneling you to townreading you in Philosophers one of the last times we played

all you would need to do is tell me what you think you've done that you wouldn't do as scum here, and who you think is actually scum. that's not an unreasonable thing to ask for at all

[GuiltyLion]

the way I think scum pick their partners is that I think they are tactical in picking who can survive a long time and is townread and desired.

don't you think you fit this description

my first three choices were fireisredsir, firebringer and dragons.

I asked fireisred to dance with me at post 18 before anyone had expressed any reads on him.

you misunderstand my post

what I was saying was you fit the profile of the exact type of player you said scum would like to dance with, desired and townread

[Aristeia]

I would expect a scum player trying to save SirCakes to say something more neutral and sneaky like "they're probly both town" because then it puts a subtle pressure on Midway to just move the game along and stop stalling because "both players are town"

I mean he was explicitly pressuring midway to move the game along

I doubt there's gonna be anything more useful to get from Enchant.

I was getting impatient myself, but making my partner have to wait? That's unacceptable.
Midway, make your decision with haste!

you're comparing a post at 1704 which is after game stalled because Enchant said no

to a post at 861 before midway even asked enchant

the timeline and mood are completely different as well as the game state.

[Aristeia]

the way I think scum pick their partners is that I think they are tactical in picking who can survive a long time and is townread and desired.

don't you think you fit this description

my first three choices were fireisredsir, firebringer and dragons.

I asked fireisred to dance with me at post 18 before anyone had expressed any reads on him.

you misunderstand my post

what I was saying was you fit the profile of the exact type of player you said scum would like to dance with, desired and townread

who was townreading me when he proposed to me ? I didn't feel townread or desired at all.

I felt bitterly sad at being rejected three times.

[Firebringer]

i thought i wasn't getting try hard ari

[Firebringer]

who was townreading me when he proposed to me ? I didn't feel townread or desired at all.

i think i literally stated my first read as u being town in this game back on like page 14 or something

[GuiltyLion]

my whole point is that he was trying to save SirCakez, just much earlier than the posts and section of the game you were quoting. Once Midway changed to proposing to Enchant, the dynamic changed, and he was no longer trying to save Cakez. But he very much did try to save Cakez in the section of the game from the posts that I quoted

[Firebringer]

GL u should just believe in my hero solve

[GuiltyLion]

I find norwee pretty town for this post. Doesn't feel like there's much incentive to throw a tr on Shirou here as scum

nah Shirou is just obvious town and Norwee's post is exactly the kind of post scum makes when they want to look town by townreading the obvious town but wind up still sounding awkward about it - "pretty much 100% town now" - was Norwee doubting town!Shirou before? he asserted he has a very familiar sense of how Shirou thinks (1052), so why is he still hedging his read ("pretty much" 100%? those things don't go together?) instead of just being more upfront about how Shirou is obvious town?

and the last part of 1179, who is that addressed to? the only person who had indicated any possible suspicion on Shirou post flip was Shea, why is Norwee grandstanding to an audience instead of talking to Shea directly?

But if you're going i'd like it if you at least explained why you trust Cakez to be town.

also

why does town want a dying Enchant's thoughts on Cakez in particular here - the only explanation is if Norwee thinks Enchant is a particularly reliable/accurate Cakez reader, which is ??

we know this question can't really be meant to sort Enchant, because in this world Enchant is about to flip anyway ("if [Enchant is] going")

yet I can't help but think that if Enchant writes a town case for Cakez and then flips town, that's a nice little parting gift to the mafia team

also @Ydra @Ari @Norwee, these are some other reasons I have for scumreading Norwee that are entirely separate from the posts where he was trying to push midway to pick Cakez over Enchant and I think these are good too

tonally he's just flat, also