i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[MathBlade]

Makes sense.

And lol at Frog ignoring the read list I made earlier and demanding a “read list”. Sure bro.

I learned more about Kitty and owl just on the last few posts and they went up on my reads list.

I am going to bed now but Frog is weird AF.

[MathBlade]

The Makes sense is @Kitty

[Frogsterking]

Oh yeah…that game hurt my brain

I'm not totally sure what I think of your slot yet, but considering this kind of manipulation is on brand for you, I feel safe saying that I credit Bell with teaching me to resist what I think you're doing here:

Being vulnerable isn't bad, but during a game of mafia I wouldn't recommend it. People are trying to deceive, manipulate, etc. Even Town. Think of it as laser tag, once you're assigned a team and the music plays it's best to think of it as game on until the music stops.

................ Lukewarm go to bed.

I was talking to frogster.

Granades can be useful, even necessary. But sometimes it can feel like you have a million puzzle pieces, you're piecing them together and someone just throws a bunch of extra puzzle pieces around and dislodges a bunch of your work. Time and place.

This isn't a newbie game, Bell. I'll back off

Good night all.

I wonder where Ythan is?

currently the Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, and Ythan slots are waiting for replacements

Not to be that guy, but does anyone TR these slots?

+scum

No reads list and delberate redirection to literal RNG slots (the two that aren't Ythan.)

[Frogsterking]

Hmm. Maybe Math is town after all. Maybe.

[Frogsterking]

And lol at Frog ignoring the read list

I skimmed your iso and didn't see it.

[MathBlade]

votecount 1.12

I've actually spent a lot of time on Drury Lane and I never once saw this so-called "muffined man"

6 players voting for Frogsterking (McMenno, Ythan, KittyTacky, imaginality, Titus, furtiveglance)
4 players voting for Ythan (Save The Dragons, Morning Tweet, Gamma Emerald, HighPrincessErinys)
3 players voting for Ranger (Quiet Owl, GeorgeBailey, Elements)
2 players voting for Quiet Owl (Cat Scratch Fever, Ranger)
2 players voting for MathBlade (Frogsterking, Enchant)
1 player voting for Not_Mafia (Not_Mafia)

5 players not voting (Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, kitten around, Lycanfire, MathBlade)

with 23 votes, it takes 12 to eliminate.

mod notes:

In what world is Frogger going “hey d1 elim between 4 players” when he’s a top wagon?

I feel like I a missing a huge part of the puzzle I’d vote either of the top wagons atm as I don’t townread either. I wonder where Ythan is?

Ranger I kinda want to see what they come up with more

Quiet Owl I kinda waffle on

Like are there any major OMG events or something?

@Frog

Going to bed now.

[Quiet Owl]

dear santa,

as a late christmas gift, can i get frog muffling duct tape please

[Frogsterking]

votecount 1.12

I've actually spent a lot of time on Drury Lane and I never once saw this so-called "muffined man"

6 players voting for Frogsterking (McMenno, Ythan, KittyTacky, imaginality, Titus, furtiveglance)
4 players voting for Ythan (Save The Dragons, Morning Tweet, Gamma Emerald, HighPrincessErinys)
3 players voting for Ranger (Quiet Owl, GeorgeBailey, Elements)
2 players voting for Quiet Owl (Cat Scratch Fever, Ranger)
2 players voting for MathBlade (Frogsterking, Enchant)
1 player voting for Not_Mafia (Not_Mafia)

5 players not voting (Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, kitten around, Lycanfire, MathBlade)

with 23 votes, it takes 12 to eliminate.

mod notes:

In what world is Frogger going “hey d1 elim between 4 players” when he’s a top wagon?

I feel like I a missing a huge part of the puzzle I’d vote either of the top wagons atm as I don’t townread either. I wonder where Ythan is?

Ranger I kinda want to see what they come up with more

Quiet Owl I kinda waffle on

Like are there any major OMG events or something?

@Frog

Going to bed now.

Thank you.

dear santa,

as a late christmas gift, can i get frog muffling duct tape please

I'll ghost the thread until Friday night.

[Lycanfire]

well this thread exploded

who wants to catch up with me

[Ranger]

Ranger's mental juitsu about why she doesn't have to defend a person with six votes but I have to defend someone who has no votes is ridiculous.

Are you

trying

to be disingenuous?

I'm

choosing

not to defend Frogsterking while he's at six votes; that doesn't mean I

can't

. Were I to, it'd be entirely off of play.

You

chose

to defend imaginality while he was at zero votes; instead of using just play or a mixture of play and breadcrumbing, you exclusively did so with breadcrumbing masons.

You're comparing an orange to an apple.

[Gamma Emerald]

pls keep the hyperposting down since most of the folks I might be able to find as replacements have stated concerns about game length

[Ranger]

well this thread exploded
who wants to catch up with me

Apparently me. :P

[Lycanfire]

Agreed re. Titus that frogster wants to live and probably isn't a jester. Whether Ranger is a jester is a different matter. I feel like based on who Ranger is she could get eliminated d1 pretty easily without their theory. Here's how I see a jester!Ranger playing

1) Ranger plays up paranoia about whether they're town or not
2) Ranger stitches themselves to a scummy player
3) Ranger slips somehow

Wouldn't they lay the ground work prior to mid day 1 where they instead try to shout down a mason claim? Not really the scenario I see jester!Ranger in.

[Ranger]

Why is my slot so high on your reads being a replace?

Well you weren't in the game when I made my last readslist.

Your slot's that high because I vibed with tris's posts and they looked town.

Yours continue to do so.

[Enchant]

pls keep the hyperposting down since most of the folks I might be able to find as replacements have stated concerns about game length

I never have problem with game length when i replace in!

[Lycanfire]

Also, isn't jester a super easy role. I imagine any jesters would be gated to a specific day (probably day 1 or the jester risks getting killed, but that's an interesting trade off). There's a good chance any jester will get removed from the game.

[Ranger]

Wouldn't they lay the ground work prior to mid day 1 where they instead try to shout down a mason claim? Not really the scenario I see jester!Ranger in.

I'm also one of few players onsite to have a Jester game. (A bad one mind you, and I'm a different person from back then, but

technically

, it exists.)

The 3p hunting is eyebrow-raising btw. I'll need to see where it originates from, because we should be hunting scum; hunting 3p is proscum.

[Lycanfire]

3p hunting is probably just coded crap for otherball hunting. i was humoring frogster for awhile because i thought they might have role like the vintage psychologist role that would basically inform him of the 3p.

[Ranger]

Math pretending to be empathetic toward Titus is a good sign that Math is lying.

*middle finger gif*

I agree that's over the line.

I also think it's proof Frogsterking is town.

[Lycanfire]

Guess which player was the first to bring multiball up, in their very first post[/post].

This peaked my interest too, but my perception of that post was that Quiet Owl was covering all their bases. A particular kind of person writes a post the way they did and that kind of person really would detail every scenario. Though, that particular kind of person could also giggle at the other term by mentioning the word multiball, I suppose.

[Lycanfire]

Guess which player was the first to bring multiball up, in their very first post[/post].

This peaked my interest too, but my perception of that post was that Quiet Owl was covering all their bases. A particular kind of person writes a post the way they did and that kind of person really would detail every scenario. Though, that particular kind of person could also giggle at the other

team

by mentioning the word multiball, I suppose.

bolded my correction

not sure if i feel owl i've been wavering as if i go for them they're just gonna flip town and i'm gonna feel dumb

[Cat Scratch Fever]

i assume that a jester!frog here wins when dead, in which case the course of action here is probably to ignore him completely until we have reason to suspect that he's a different sort of scum?

mcmenno mentioned having a role that interferes with investigatives so i assume that if true that's a counter to someone else's role. would be a convenient way of resolving the frog conundrum.

The problem with leaving a jest alive is that they can derail discussions and make it hard to scumhunt. I'm still not sure if he's actually jester or just scum acting like jester tho.

I hope there's a vig.

Why aren't you engaging on any of the reasons people have put forth for Frogs being town & just repeating that Frogs is scum ad nauseam?

Ranger's mental juitsu about why she doesn't have to defend a person with six votes but I have to defend someone who has no votes is ridiculous.

Are you

trying

to be disingenuous?

I'm

choosing

not to defend Frogsterking while he's at six votes

; that doesn't mean I

can't

. Were I to, it'd be entirely off of play.

I think you should; the Frogs wagon is really sticky and p obviously not going anywhere barring some more aggressive vote canvassing.

[Ranger]

I think you should; the Frogs wagon is really sticky and p obviously not going anywhere barring some more aggressive vote canvassing.

That's precisely why I don't want to yet. Having the wagon not go away on its own has value. Anyone fond of VCA should know what.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

In fact, I'm not sure which slot Math replaced, but if the menagerie of anti town roles in this game are desperate for a town slot to push through, I would consider helping you eliminate Math as policy since he already outted for no reason and has a history of being loose-lipped.

VOTE: MathBlade

Take it or leave it, scum/whatever/whatever/whatever else butts.

you votehop like your namesake. i read you as town playing very badly rather than scum at the moment, and therefore i suggest 1) getting some integrity 2) taking a bit longer to think on things instead of your gung-ho "shoot at everything and hope that something sticks" approach.

You're currently townreading Frogster? Not going to lie, 906 read like you were scumcasing Frogster. Why did you post it?

post by post frog analysis: (22 out 126 posts read, taking a lunch break, sorry about the lack of readability formatting)

Spoiler:

post 69

- to be taken with salt, as intro posts ideally should be provocative in order to start readable discussion. HOWEVER, the reads here are contradictory and garbage.
frog reads:

1. tris scum, for "awkward looking questions" - garbage take
   
2. ythan scum, specifically for asking someone their opinion on another player - also a garbage take! seems like everyone in the thread is asking such questions, including frog himself.
   
3. erinys scum, for participating in random voting - garbage take
   
4. lycanfire scum, for participating in random voting - garbage take
   
5. furtive, csf and gamma town, meta handwaving

at this stage,

1. furtive has particpated in random voting, cracked jokes, and requested realtime interaction. why is furtive towny for this, but erinys and lycanfire are actively scummy? contradictions: 1
   
2. csf is asking questions but also giving reads. up until #85 i also pegged her as town.
   
3. gamma has done basically nothing at this point. how can you possibly read her as town at that point.

post 76

- backs off on tris when questioned, stands his ground on the ythan read. does not acknowledge this is contradictory. contradictions: 2

post 79

- backs off on lycan, stands ground on erinys. contradictions: 3

post 81

- interested in reasons to town read ythan

post 86

- picks up on csf's weird scummy feeling 85 post,

here begins the frog vs csf era

post 90

- meta discussion of csf

post 94

- frog vs csf fight fight fight fight
frog reads:

1. lycanfire, town, for "doubling down on questioning" so questioning is scum behaviour until the questioner tries applying pressure?
   
2. csf, scum, for questioning his flimsy initial reads.

post 97

- makes a :/ face at csf for voting erinys, who frog reads as scum

"viewing it from a PoV where scum!ythan sees an opportunity to frame town!csf in a scummy light"

the two people viewing csf in a scummy light here are frog and myself. ythan made no such attempt. agree with gamma here: "I feel like Ythan saw CSF’s play at that point as pressing others for reads rather than working on making her own so she opted to press CSF on it"

more frog vs csf

post 100

- asking csf for a reads list even though supposedly asking for opinions is scummy

post 108

- dislikes csf's small reads list, weakly applies pressure

post 110

- i don't even know here. csf didn't post on page one and therefore her question here is valid. how on earth would it be +scum? how on earth is posting a readslist with no justifications +town for ranger? this just feels like cheap theatre.

post 115

- frog vs csf

post 118

- frog vs csf, frog wavers on ythan

post 124

- links his own scum post as proof that ythan #62 is scummy??
frog reads:

1. enchant, weak town, for mech spec?
   
2. andree, weak town, for mech spec?

post 125

- frog reads:

1. ythan, scum
   
2. princess, scum
   
3. furtive, scum
   
4. ranger, town

no new reasons provided for these reads. asking ranger for reads on george, erinys, and gamma

post 142

- frog reads:

1. morning tweet, town
   
2. KT, town

no reasons provided.

post 145

-

"as scum I had a fantastic opportunity to bloat the thread with useless, horrible drama by dragging out a fight with tris over whether or not asking questions is AI for them."

frog is trying to feed people reasons to read him as town here. i do the same thing as scum.

no comment on the gamma comments other than frog reads: gamma, scum

"This is the kind of overreaction I think can be scum indicative."

frog questioned erinys's identity with his gimmick comment earlier, hence the negative reaction. this should be obvious.

"I noticed that you went straight to attacking my reasoning rather than questioning whether or not it was scum motivated."

so people shouldn't challenge flawed reasoning? excuse me?

(directed to csf)

"I think it's somewhat likely that I overreacted because you've read me right quickly in the past. I was thinking about it and I'm no longer convinced that there's a scum motivation for you to play this way. I'm not sure how defined your playstyle is as scum but I'm picturing you as more pockety and under the radar when you're scum. I feel like our conflict may be motivated by paranoia which I think is +town for both of us."

this is the end of frog vs csf.

i don't understand and am not remotely convinced by his reasoning to drop the scum!scf case.

literal omgus response to mcmenno for voting him

post 147

- no comment

post 149

- the ol' 62-124 ythan accusation. no comment here other than as previously stated i think this is not indicative of ythan's alignment either way. indicative of frog's because he keeps pushing this as scumtell gospel? absolutely.

post 153

-

"I can literally bury Gamma with a case based purely on meta."

ok why don't you then.
backing up the bluster here with action would help frog achieve the quickhammer he supposedly wants, and yet he seems content with just casting aspersions.

no comment on the joke/serious tris bit

post 154

-

"I can quote from not one, not two, not three, but four separate scum games which each show Gamma is deep in her scum meta right now."

show us the games, mr frog.

post 156

- gloating, putting on a show of confidence

I’ve been trying to stay caught up with this game but explain to me how this is getting votes?

This reads like a transparently townie thought process.

By pointing out every weird thing that Frogs has done? That's not very difficult to do as Scum in my opinion because of the idiosyncrasies in his play.

Quiet Owl townreading Frogs throws me for a loop tbh. From my initial read of 906, I got the impression they set out to formulate a scumread on Frogs and were working backwards from a conclusion. Or if they were town, they were so tunneled that they were seeing almost every Frogs post in a negative light.

[Lycanfire]

CSF: Why is Frogster town? Did I miss a post of yours?

I think Frogs & Gamma are both town. I feel pretty good about calling Frogs town at this point based on my understanding of his scumrange, and Gamma is more of a vibe read

& scumrange, cont with a metacase from another game

Spoiler: post 760

I would believe this if he wasn’t continually circling back to the same few central ideas. When my thought process runs wild, it becomes completely erratic.

He's town and tunneled on you & Titus scum. That's why he keeps coming back to the same central ideas.

615 it may be fair but it doesn't make sense as an excuse as they've "engaged" the game this way on all days, not just Christmas.

I didn't like her recent pop in fwiw

This seems like a really wild take and it is also something I might expect from town Titus maybe. I was wondering if it was a bad look for Chungus and Dragons to be refusing to vote each other in the way that they are.

This is a sample even though we found each other fast that game. Town!Frogster expects "off the wall" takes from my perspective. He still engages even when I FoS him. In fact my off the wall take was based off VCA, which I could have included in my case here.

You're reading the games very differently right now, so it makes sense for Frogster to naturallya be suspicious of you. Hence, he's also treating you differently & engaging differently. Have you played with Scum!Frogster? (Actually, do you remember my meta towncase on him in LOST?) I think he's far out of his scum comfort zone here.

I think all 3 of {Frogs, Gamma, Titus} are town, and this continued back and forth is damaging to the game state.

i'm at page 41 and i would like to see him dead right now. why is VOTE: frogsterking a bad vote?