House of the Dragon - Game Over!

[GuiltyLion]

Mastina, in your own words, why is furtive scum

[mastina]

What to do is Mastina is fucking WRONG. It’s Narrow cause Mastina can’t open her eyes and realize at least 1 wolf is on the damn council.

Drapion the council literally knew who was being protected last night.

A failed kill literally gave the town a mislim.

You could argue that if scum deliberately failed a kill which kept the games on evens, they did so for towncred.

But we went into the night with 13 alive. Failing to kill kept us at 13 rather than 12--which literally gives the town an extra mislim that literally any kill would've stopped.

The scum could've killed literally anyone, except the player(s) the council were protecting.

And that would've kept the game on evens.

Instead, there is a no-kill, and the game went onto odds, giving the town a mislim.

Because the scum didn't know who to kill and in all probability, just shot Firebringer.
Something council members would know not to do.

[GuiltyLion]

Why would scum shoot FB

He's like the most miselimmable player on the council if he's town

If I were scum I'd be shooting Titus or Mastina every time

[mastina]

I feel like...I have to be wrong somewhere. Otherwise four scum supported Shea, who I also town read.

Four scum supported Shea?

Shocker

!

It's almost like I fucking said that was a scumdriven King election since day fucking one.

YES, four scum voted Shea. I've been telling you that since D1.

The more the game goes on, the more I'm gonna be proven right.

[Firebringer]

Why does scum kill tracker three nights in a row

[GuiltyLion]

So four scum supported Shea and used that momentum and the supporters PT to get exactly zero (0) scum on the council?

[GuiltyLion]

Why does scum kill tracker three nights in a row

Like I've said before, tracker is the only role that can actually catch a scum on the council

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Challenge: Datisi

if all of my townreads are town then the POE is incredibly incredibly narrow and that is worrying me but I am not sure what to do

I mean.

Last night confirmed that the entirety of the town council is town. Shea town, Firebringer town, fireisredsir town, Datisi town, me town, Titus town.
The result on LLD is town--given Datisi town, that is absolute.

That's 7/13 as conftown right now.

Which, yes, means the scum pool is quite narrow--but when scum have been denied a seat on the council the entire game, them's the breaks.

There's 3 scum in 6 names.

{Roden, UNOwen, GuiltyLion, ProfessorDrapion, furtiveglance, Enchant}.

We basically have an autowin here.

But that said, I think Drapion is town here.
I lean town on Roden, too.

So that leaves four scum in {UNOwen, GuiltyLion, furtiveglance, Enchant}.
As you are in that pool, you naturally don't like it.

But that pool is absolute.

The seven conftown are conftown.
We have three scum left.
And that's three scum for six slots and you are a candidate.

My preference is furtiveglance > UNOwen = GuiltyLion > Enchant > Roden > ProfessorDrapion.

Still major red flags here.

This feels precisely like the kind of post that scum mastina makes when she's turning the corner and wants to create a wincondition for scum.

honestly, given that the people who are on the side of the King's Power currently believe the game is in auto lock, the only hanging thread that we need to confirm that is Datisi's alignment.

If we kill Datisi and Datisi flips town, we have Mastina/Titus/LLD town and we can appoint another cop, I think? I think we have the space to do that?

And if Datisi flips scum we murder Mastina and we're probably winning there too.

Frankly I just think this is the day to kill Datisi.

I'll say this much, if I suddenly die tonight after doing literally nothing this whole game just because I became confirmed town over the people in the council who are confirmed town with power.... you know what to do as town, right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

why did it quote the enchant post...

[Firebringer]

Why does scum kill tracker three nights in a row

Like I've said before, tracker is the only role that can actually catch a scum on the council

Okay well I had tracker lol

[mastina]

@mastina
OMFG please listen to me.

Sorry, Drapion, but

you

are the one who needs to listen to ME. I am the one on the council who knows what went on there.

The council is all town, period.

Now, does that mean Firebringer's push on you is good?

Why no, no it's not. You're town.

But Firebringer isn't scum for his push on you. Don't confuse bad for scum. Firebringer is

bad

for having that push; Firebringer isn't

scum

for that push.

[GuiltyLion]

Why does scum kill tracker three nights in a row

Like I've said before, tracker is the only role that can actually catch a scum on the council

Especially if they're using their sekrit powers

[ProfessorDrapion]

Drapion progression in PT on LLD
Monday Nov 22 - put LLD in the null pile #137
Monday Nov 28 - says he wants to elim in the LLD/UNO #347

This is all the references i see to LLD
i think he also said at some point in relation to us pointing out lld not using thread that not using PT was scummy but i could be misremembering that for someone else but it sounds like a drapion post

Did I say this all before the UNOwen interaction with you?
I mean MAYBE I said that but I was just thinking who could be the wolf in the King Guard and I was thinking UNOwen.

[GuiltyLion]

Why does scum kill tracker three nights in a row

Like I've said before, tracker is the only role that can actually catch a scum on the council

Okay well I had tracker lol

Ok, but look at mastinas logic here

If all the PRs are town, tracker isn't a threat
So it doesn't explain why you would be shot in that universe either

Do you think you were shot?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What to do is Mastina is fucking WRONG. It’s Narrow cause Mastina can’t open her eyes and realize at least 1 wolf is on the damn council.

Drapion the council literally knew who was being protected last night.

A failed kill literally gave the town a mislim.

You could argue that if scum deliberately failed a kill which kept the games on evens, they did so for towncred.

But we went into the night with 13 alive. Failing to kill kept us at 13 rather than 12--which literally gives the town an extra mislim that literally any kill would've stopped.

The scum could've killed literally anyone, except the player(s) the council were protecting.

And that would've kept the game on evens.

Instead, there is a no-kill, and the game went onto odds, giving the town a mislim.

Because the scum didn't know who to kill and in all probability, just shot Firebringer.
Something council members would know not to do.

There's a world where this is scum outguessing to achieve this result, you understand that right?

If we've won an extra miselimination, let's use it to confirm Datisi NOW.

[ProfessorDrapion]

@mastina
OMFG please listen to me.

Sorry, Drapion, but

you

are the one who needs to listen to ME. I am the one on the council who knows what went on there.

The council is all town, period.

Now, does that mean Firebringer's push on you is good?

Why no, no it's not. You're town.

But Firebringer isn't scum for his push on you. Don't confuse bad for scum. Firebringer is

bad

for having that push; Firebringer isn't

scum

for that push.

Ok.
But in the case Firebringer is a wolf I need you to use all my arguments here against him if you end up in a 1v1 scenario against the dude.
You’re the Town, I still don’t think Firebringer is Town.

[Firebringer]

I don’t see why we have to clear dats now.
What is the urgency now?
U realize cop power has to go to fireisred ur scumread with all rest of us having two powers LLD
We throw away cop power this second

[ProfessorDrapion]

Challenge: Datisi

if all of my townreads are town then the POE is incredibly incredibly narrow and that is worrying me but I am not sure what to do

I mean.

Last night confirmed that the entirety of the town council is town. Shea town, Firebringer town, fireisredsir town, Datisi town, me town, Titus town.
The result on LLD is town--given Datisi town, that is absolute.

That's 7/13 as conftown right now.

Which, yes, means the scum pool is quite narrow--but when scum have been denied a seat on the council the entire game, them's the breaks.

There's 3 scum in 6 names.

{Roden, UNOwen, GuiltyLion, ProfessorDrapion, furtiveglance, Enchant}.

We basically have an autowin here.

But that said, I think Drapion is town here.
I lean town on Roden, too.

So that leaves four scum in {UNOwen, GuiltyLion, furtiveglance, Enchant}.
As you are in that pool, you naturally don't like it.

But that pool is absolute.

The seven conftown are conftown.
We have three scum left.
And that's three scum for six slots and you are a candidate.

My preference is furtiveglance > UNOwen = GuiltyLion > Enchant > Roden > ProfessorDrapion.

Still major red flags here.

This feels precisely like the kind of post that scum mastina makes when she's turning the corner and wants to create a wincondition for scum.

honestly, given that the people who are on the side of the King's Power currently believe the game is in auto lock, the only hanging thread that we need to confirm that is Datisi's alignment.

If we kill Datisi and Datisi flips town, we have Mastina/Titus/LLD town and we can appoint another cop, I think? I think we have the space to do that?

And if Datisi flips scum we murder Mastina and we're probably winning there too.

Frankly I just think this is the day to kill Datisi.

I'll say this much, if I suddenly die tonight after doing literally nothing this whole game just because I became confirmed town over the people in the council who are confirmed town with power.... you know what to do as town, right?

NGL that is actually a good point.
Hit it and then make you a cop.

But I think Firebringer is more of a wolf then Dat so.

[Firebringer]

And u don’t even scumread dats
I repeat my point yesterday.
Elim dats is dumb until I see the best scum case possible

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don’t see why we have to clear dats now.
What is the urgency now?
U realize cop power has to go to fireisred ur scumread with all rest of us having two powers LLD
We throw away cop power this second

Why does it have to go to them and not a green if your certain Dat is town?
Lmao.

[ProfessorDrapion]

LLD cop makes more sense then fireisred lmao.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also if Dat is a wolf, none of their checks are a wolf,
He truth told his checks.

[Firebringer]

I don’t see why we have to clear dats now.
What is the urgency now?
U realize cop power has to go to fireisred ur scumread with all rest of us having two powers LLD
We throw away cop power this second

Why does it have to go to them and not a green if your certain Dat is town?
Lmao.

powers have to be assigned. everyone in the council has 2 powers except fireisred. the power would auto go to him.
Which to me isn't worst thing since i townread fireisred, but LLD here is just gonna shout for fireisred death tomorrow anyways.

[mastina]

So why isn't Titus dead?

We had a no-kill last night--meaning, explicitly, the scum tried to kill someone who they couldn't kill.

So the question isn't "why isn't X dead", it's "why did the scum try to kill one of the two players being protected"?

One of those players was Firebringer.

So any argument of scum on the council relies on "the scum, who knew exactly where the protection was headed, decided to deliberately have their kill fail, not only taking the game off of odds (which favor scum) but also giving town an extra mislim when they also have a cop to deal with, for ???"...

...OR, far simpler:
Scum didn't know who was being protected and shot at them, failing due to the protection.

(Cat again will continue, sorry if typos here.)

[Firebringer]

LLD cop makes more sense then fireisred lmao.

i dont know how many times we have to repeat that powers can only be assigned to other council members for u to get it.