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u realize ur townread of furtive has no basis either right
pedit no ty. Will you please challenge furtive.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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In post 285, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
I am.In post 283, Dannflor wrote:Why aren't you explaining and trying to convince others of your UNOwen read
Why are you asking looping rhetorical questions that are specifically worded in ways to try and lead assumptions to players who read them?
You haven't asked me a single question yet about why I believe what I believe, instead you asked me two questions to try to pin me down to something and then followed up with a trap of "well if you believe that, why aren't you pushing it?"
This is why I don't trust you.In post 286, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:To restate for those who go and read this later, in a way that is much more direct.
Why do you think Dann asked me what my reads were and then why I wasn't pushing them, skipping over asking me the intermediary step of "why do you think X is town?"
An exercise left to the reader, I think.In post 3326, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Er, I hit enter before I could highlight everything, but the general gist is this.
He says one line about my take on the importance of the first vote being LAMIST (which is a misrepresentation of my point)
He says the whole shea wagon is town because of how fast it grew (In truth, I had more than enough time to support and drive that wagon, and had a good hand in it likely given I flipped my read on Shea from scum to town very early and when asked if I would oppose the wagon, didn't stand in the way of it either)
The story Dann is telling is just false. I had every place time and opportunity to stand in the way or throw my support as I wished.
Calling the whole shea wagon town because of it's speed is ridiculous, calling my wagon scum is ridiculous.
Calling RHEA/UNWND's slot here scum is ridiculous IMO.
It's... this whole case is a fucking mess, it doesn't say anything, it doesn't address any motivations, it makes fallicious logical arguments that aren't supported by how the game has gone
and most importantlyit doesn't address Dwlee's scum flip and the wagon around Dwlee even remotely, which is HYPER weird.In post 3328, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
My dude, you don't get to post a slanderous case on me, misrepresent me again in this post in THIS WAY again, given you know I dno't explain my townreads, and then ask me to work with you.In post 3325, Dannflor wrote:frankly LLD, you straight up avoided commenting on the dwlee wagon except to shade datisi
I don't think my points about how you handled your UNOwen town read should be relegated to game state reads
I am projecting some overconfidence atm because I think it's the best way for me to sink my teeth back in this game, so I'm not going to act like I can't be wrong in one or several places, but I feel like you're misrepresenting some of my issues
I'm empathetic to having trouble getting back into the game though. do you have any strong feelings on any other slots in the game right now that you can elaborate on?
My top 2 town reads were Luke and Junko, and they died fucking Night 1 and Night 2. I asked Datisi a question to try and invest and overall couldn't. I had 0 presence on day 2 and prod dodged my way through the whole fucking day. Ascribing any intent to me yesterday is fucking impossible.
And it's bullshit, you're not putting on this fake act for your own benefit, you're doing it for the benefit of others.
One more time, for the people in the back.
DWLEE FLIPPED SCUM DANNFLOR, WHO IS DWLEE'S PARTNER?In post 3333, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Your arguments are nonsensical.
You use baseless wagon conjecture to wave your hands and say "this part good this part bad" and then try to use PoE analysis off that bad logic to identify targets you yourself split apart on criteria that you decided without any real value or reason to why.
Then you shot at the people with low post counts, and your arguments for why are transparently lacking, which is weird because if I wanted to shoot at titus I would have like at least talked about how Titus isn't using her PT with people to plot and plan.
Or about how Titus wants to overthrow Shea.
Both of those are notable things, but nothing about those.
Dann, I don't know what your alignment here is, but your case is empty air. It's possible for you to do this as town, but the motivation to do so would essentially be "let's get back into the game by shooting at the lurker slots, that'll make me look better and buy me time".
that's what I get from your case, so if you are town, know that's not a winning strategy, my dude.
and if you're scum, I guess try to make better points that aren't so hollowly transparent.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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@MastinaIn post 4593, Datisi wrote:
exceptIn post 4589, ProfessorDrapion wrote:After VP flipped Green by PoE of my reads I have stated it’s obvious I push Dann.
you never said anything about dannflor
so who all were your townreads to make him scum by poe?
Read the fucking PT, ignore this shit.
In the PT I gave my opinion on Dann way before all this shit.
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So look at the PT for yourself and see what I said in regards to Dann.-
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When I said it!!!In post 4599, Datisi wrote:
when.In post 4595, ProfessorDrapion wrote:I even stated they had bad read on Johnny-
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LLD those posts coming from u do not look like a hard push against dann for being scum. THey look hedging and just pushing against bad reasoning. I am not saying you townread dann. I am saying you didn't hard scumread and then death tunnel him for a shit push. Which is what i expected to happen if u were town. Apparently i am wrong.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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dude i don't fucking see it, that's why i'm askingIn post 4603, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
When I said it!!!In post 4599, Datisi wrote:
when.In post 4595, ProfessorDrapion wrote:I even stated they had bad read on JohnnyI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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Can we kill this please?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Drapion, challenge furtive.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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Green are Cop checks, blue are who I think are town, yes I know I'm blue but giving myself a different color from everyone else is dumb
Let's say I am wrong on Datisi, my PoE solve means Owen/Furtive/Enchant are the scum team
What's potentially wrong with this and where do I need to reassess (besides Drapion)-
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I've been doing my best to not death tunnel people in general because it's more effective if I flex myself, but also, I'm demotivated this game and so I'm not hard pushing anyone.In post 4604, Firebringer wrote:LLD those posts coming from u do not look like a hard push against dann for being scum. THey look hedging and just pushing against bad reasoning. I am not saying you townread dann. I am saying you didn't hard scumread and then death tunnel him for a shit push. Which is what i expected to happen if u were town. Apparently i am wrong.
I mean, fuck, you think I would push Andante/FireRed harder if I wasn't so demotivated? lolYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Do you think the team is Firered/Mastina/Datisi?
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Hmm, possible but not likely?
Mastina/Datisi is a pair that fits. So does Firebringer/Enchant so Does......a few other combinations.
But it runs through RedFireYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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for reference, drapion's posts on dannIn post 4602, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
@MastinaIn post 4593, Datisi wrote:
exceptIn post 4589, ProfessorDrapion wrote:After VP flipped Green by PoE of my reads I have stated it’s obvious I push Dann.
you never said anything about dannflor
so who all were your townreads to make him scum by poe?
Read the fucking PT, ignore this shit.
In the PT I gave my opinion on Dann way before all this shit.
“The only one you can trust is yourself.” - Classic Mafia Quote
So look at the PT for yourself and see what I said in regards to Dann.
1) on n1, in response to mastina saying dann/GL/VP are scum, saying that you think GL and VP are but you aren't sold on dann
2) on n3, again pushing mastina's solve but saying again that you think VP/GL are scum, but not dann. you say that datisi is the least likely wolf of the group, dann is more likely than him
3) shortly after, you say you'd look at dann/unowen if GL or VP flip town. no reasoning, just that
4) when eiralox is already in and the dann flip is basically inevitable, you say you've concluded furtive is town and dann is wolf, with no reasoning
thats all-
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god why did i do all this research in drapion iso.In post 4593, Datisi wrote:
exceptIn post 4589, ProfessorDrapion wrote:After VP flipped Green by PoE of my reads I have stated it’s obvious I push Dann.
you never said anything about dannflor
so who all were your townreads to make him scum by poe?
Okay so Drapion never said dann was scum...sort of.
The only scum mention was him saying that scum don't want the dann wagon.
He did say if VPB and GL are both town then dann is scum. NEver explained hwy that is or i dont care to look into it. He then flipped to "well actually they could all be scum together". He then said that dannflor johnny posts were bad in post 4034 this is the most substantive thing i have found to scum dan.
After VPB flipped he goes Maybe Dann is a wolf. He also accused me of trying to save dann...which i argued at the time was silly.
He calls 4398 a "town list" even though he says 'but dann is a wolf'. Okay so far all ive seen is one post quote reasoning of why drapion is adamant it was dannflor. Could this be fake? Probably. Do i care to analyze anymore. No.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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Are there posts here fire is missing, drap?In post 4614, fireisredsir wrote:
for reference, drapion's posts on dannIn post 4602, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
@MastinaIn post 4593, Datisi wrote:
exceptIn post 4589, ProfessorDrapion wrote:After VP flipped Green by PoE of my reads I have stated it’s obvious I push Dann.
you never said anything about dannflor
so who all were your townreads to make him scum by poe?
Read the fucking PT, ignore this shit.
In the PT I gave my opinion on Dann way before all this shit.
“The only one you can trust is yourself.” - Classic Mafia Quote
So look at the PT for yourself and see what I said in regards to Dann.
1) on n1, in response to mastina saying dann/GL/VP are scum, saying that you think GL and VP are but you aren't sold on dann
2) on n3, again pushing mastina's solve but saying again that you think VP/GL are scum, but not dann. you say that datisi is the least likely wolf of the group, dann is more likely than him
3) shortly after, you say you'd look at dann/unowen if GL or VP flip town. no reasoning, just that
4) when eiralox is already in and the dann flip is basically inevitable, you say you've concluded furtive is town and dann is wolf, with no reasoning
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i think if i were to look at game time and just analyze who was scumread when and looked at drapion.
He most likely didn't even mention scumreading dann once until Day 4. I could be wrong on this. But my gut tells me no because the first instance I found of him pushing idea of dann scum was in relation to VPB/GL and later actually makes substance of saying Dann push on Johnny was bad (which happened after Day 3 - and these posts weren't that far apart from his initial DANN IS SCM IF THESE 2 ARE TOWN) initial scum possibility came from.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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I only ask because you said you scum read Mastina, unless that changed and I just couldn't find it in your ISO. So if Mastina is scum then Datisi has to be scum. But I don't see how those two + Firered makes any sense here because I'm pretty sure they know they have to kill the people with green checks. Dwlee interactions are also weird if so. Mastina and Firered defending/town reading me also feels really off especially since Firered went out of his way to convince Datisi that I'm town.In post 4612, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Hmm, possible but not likely?
Mastina/Datisi is a pair that fits. So does Firebringer/Enchant so Does......a few other combinations.
But it runs through RedFire
Granted, idk what the council PT did last night, maybe they protected Titus. But I kinda think they protected Firebringer, since he apparently didn't Track Datisi. So why isn't Titus dead?-
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He also rejected my challenge.In post 4613, Thestatusquo wrote:Am I the only one who has noticed that Enchant hasn't done anything in several game days.
Kinda feeling that the duels are a strictly anti town mechanic lol.-
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I think what I think about this game ultimately comes down to how I feel about datisi's alignment. I will need to deep dive that at some point and try to at least know what I think and why. Gun to my head datisi is town and we're in a great spot.
But my brain is doing the thing.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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do we want to kill datisi today?
I'm very interested in killing Datisi today actually...I just had a thoughtYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 4562, Firebringer wrote:back to thinking Unowen could be scum since my LLD/Dann pushing a shit town read on Unowen is now a dead theory.Challenge: Firebringer
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