Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[Radical Rat]

particularly the overlap with CSF's Watcher-type role,

I also see zero conflict with CSF's role

There's not an issue with more than one 'watcher'-type effects being in the game

The actual effect of my role is very easily confirmable if that's something that people want

You both perform the same basic function of determining if something happened to a target. Your claim is more powerful, but it's still peculiar to me that multiple roles would serve the same utility simultaneously.

If CSF only worked at Night and you only worked at Noon, or vice versa, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But CSF is claiming to set a target during Night and receive results until next Night. And you're claiming to actively choose a target and send results for both Night and Noon. It pushes the claims from being complementary to contradictory in my mind.

[MegAzumarill]

VC 4.0.8

Ydrasse (4) Meuh, Cat Scratch Fever, Professotic, Junkochan [E-3]

Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (2) Radical Rat, Mathblade
Meuh (2) Ydrasse, Enchant

Firebringer (1) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow
Professotic (1) T-Bone,
Cat Scratch Fever (1) Firebringer

Not Voting (2): Porkens, Past Present Future ,

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to eliminate
Deadline: 1 day*
*Deadline Frozen for Porkens Replacement

[JunkoChan]

We're on the same page. I have the Toog slot (I think Porken now), Ydrasse, PPF in my PoE. I know you quoted a few posts of Toog and said "this is town" but can you explain why?

And people seriously wonder why I’m not efforting more.

something we can agree on

[JunkoChan]

Because Proffesor always tunnels(?)

Why is it an issue for you that I'm doing it?

Because you are suddenly being obnoxious, I've changed My mind about people a few times since i joined, Math keeps jumping from one pole to the other but You are making a huge deal out of this and disregarding anything that doesn't click with your narrative

Not jumping. Active listening.

potato potato

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

particularly the overlap with CSF's Watcher-type role,

I also see zero conflict with CSF's role

There's not an issue with more than one 'watcher'-type effects being in the game

The actual effect of my role is very easily confirmable if that's something that people want

It’s more I don’t think all three can be town and yours is the most sus.

Why do you think all three can't be town and why do you think RR is town

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

particularly the overlap with CSF's Watcher-type role,

I also see zero conflict with CSF's role

There's not an issue with more than one 'watcher'-type effects being in the game

The actual effect of my role is very easily confirmable if that's something that people want

You both perform the same basic function of determining if something happened to a target. Your claim is more powerful, but it's still peculiar to me that multiple roles would serve the same utility simultaneously.

If CSF only worked at Night and you only worked at Noon, or vice versa, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But CSF is claiming to set a target during Night and receive results until next Night. And you're claiming to actively choose a target and send results for both Night and Noon. It pushes the claims from being complementary to contradictory in my mind.

The roles are similar but have different power levels

Actually your use of the word 'complimentary' has made me realise that CSF and I are probably meant to target the same person to amplify the utility we both provide

[MathBlade]

particularly the overlap with CSF's Watcher-type role,

I also see zero conflict with CSF's role

There's not an issue with more than one 'watcher'-type effects being in the game

The actual effect of my role is very easily confirmable if that's something that people want

It’s more I don’t think all three can be town and yours is the most sus.

Why do you think all three can't be town and why do you think RR is town

I think RR is either town or someone who can’t die yet. If RR is lunar scum then he’s stopping Solar scum unless that’s exactly RR+TBone lunar. That’s pretty low odds to me. So an RR elim doesn’t seem protown.

I think that all three of you are in essence claiming the same type of actions (four if we count Meuh) which check whether someone could have been hit with some kind of action.

[JunkoChan]

particularly the overlap with CSF's Watcher-type role,

I also see zero conflict with CSF's role

There's not an issue with more than one 'watcher'-type effects being in the game

The actual effect of my role is very easily confirmable if that's something that people want

You both perform the same basic function of determining if something happened to a target. Your claim is more powerful, but it's still peculiar to me that multiple roles would serve the same utility simultaneously.

If CSF only worked at Night and you only worked at Noon, or vice versa, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But CSF is claiming to set a target during Night and receive results until next Night. And you're claiming to actively choose a target and send results for both Night and Noon. It pushes the claims from being complementary to contradictory in my mind.

The roles are similar but have different power levels

Actually your use of the word 'complimentary' has made me realise that CSF and I are probably meant to target the same person to amplify the utility we both provide

if you think having to out 2 power roles for coordination that depend on the enemy not knowing that you are using them in the first place is balanced, Idk what to tell you, besides, never host kthx

[JunkoChan]

they might as well be VT lol

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

...wait a second

RR protects from burns, which seem to happen at Noon
I give someone a self-watch ability

Hypothetical: we have the ability to learn *quite a lot* about the setup by having every town-aligned PR agree to target the same person tonight

Someone please tell me why that's a horrible idea

[MathBlade]

...wait a second

RR protects from burns, which seem to happen at Noon
I give someone a self-watch ability

Hypothetical: we have the ability to learn *quite a lot* about the setup by having every town-aligned PR agree to target the same person tonight

Someone please tell me why that's a horrible idea

That’s a horrible idea because scum get a free burn not on that person
And whatever lunar and solar do in ebilness they get for free.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

if you think having to out 2 power roles for coordination that depend on the enemy not knowing that you are using them in the first place is balanced, Idk what to tell you, besides, never host kthx

Alright I'll just shut up then

[JunkoChan]

...wait a second

RR protects from burns, which seem to happen at Noon
I give someone a self-watch ability

Hypothetical: we have the ability to learn *quite a lot* about the setup by having every town-aligned PR agree to target the same person tonight

Someone please tell me why that's a horrible idea

I'm gonna pull one out of Datisi's book and say that this post makes me want to kashoot myself

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

That’s a horrible idea because scum get a free burn not on that person

They're incredibly likely to get a burn on someone anyway. The odds of a doc/related role actually successfully hitting are very low

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

...wait a second

RR protects from burns, which seem to happen at Noon
I give someone a self-watch ability

Hypothetical: we have the ability to learn *quite a lot* about the setup by having every town-aligned PR agree to target the same person tonight

Someone please tell me why that's a horrible idea

I'm gonna pull one out of Datisi's book and say that this post makes me want to kashoot myself

Please stop

[MathBlade]

That’s a horrible idea because scum get a free burn not on that person

They're incredibly likely to get a burn on someone anyway. The odds of a doc/related role actually successfully hitting are very low

So then your response is to try to stop what’s clearly working in order to what? Has everyone on the same target when it’s very likely the role claims are believed but it’s a matter of alignment why?

[MathBlade]

This isn’t like the recent normal where follow the cop voyeur worked. The normal granted the vig had to be town and guaranteed alignments resulted.

If we did that plan we don’t learn anything and scum do whatever they want.

The only reason for that type of consolidation is if the protown benefit is greater than what the roles provide apart.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

So then your response is to try to stop what’s clearly working in order to what? Has everyone on the same target when it’s very likely the role claims are believed but it’s a matter of alignment why?

In theory a lot of people would have to be held accountable by the person who knows that they were targeted by them

Like I said, probably a horrible idea

[MathBlade]

So then your response is to try to stop what’s clearly working in order to what? Has everyone on the same target when it’s very likely the role claims are believed but it’s a matter of alignment why?

In theory a lot of people would have to be held accountable by the person who knows that they were targeted by them

Like I said, probably a horrible idea

Don’t suggest ideas until and unless you’re able to defend them.

I feel like you’re grasping at straws to survive rather than hunting.

[JunkoChan]

So then your response is to try to stop what’s clearly working in order to what? Has everyone on the same target when it’s very likely the role claims are believed but it’s a matter of alignment why?

In theory a lot of people would have to be held accountable by the person who knows that they were targeted by them

Like I said, probably a horrible idea

you said..?

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Don’t suggest ideas until and unless you’re able to defend them.

Don't tell me how to play, thanks. I'll bring up whatever I want to bring up.

[JunkoChan]

So then your response is to try to stop what’s clearly working in order to what? Has everyone on the same target when it’s very likely the role claims are believed but it’s a matter of alignment why?

In theory a lot of people would have to be held accountable by the person who knows that they were targeted by them

Like I said, probably a horrible idea

am I being stupid here or this post reads as it should be written by mathblade and not dingle

[MathBlade]

So then your response is to try to stop what’s clearly working in order to what? Has everyone on the same target when it’s very likely the role claims are believed but it’s a matter of alignment why?

In theory a lot of people would have to be held accountable by the person who knows that they were targeted by them

Like I said, probably a horrible idea

am I being stupid here or this post reads as it should be written by mathblade and not dingle

You’re being illogical. I write posts like that when they are thought out and the net benefit is protown.

I do not jest about horrible ideas.

[Radical Rat]

...wait a second

RR protects from burns, which seem to happen at Noon
I give someone a self-watch ability

Hypothetical: we have the ability to learn *quite a lot* about the setup by having every town-aligned PR agree to target the same person tonight

Someone please tell me why that's a horrible idea

If the target happens to be scum, they can lie about the results.
Everyone who isn't the target is guaranteed to be safe for whatever scum wants to do, including the involved PRs.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I feel like you’re grasping at straws to survive rather than hunting.

I refer you to 6602 for my most recent bout of hunting, if you're interested in doing something other than searching for a reason to end the day in my elimination