Gnosia Game over!

[JunkoChan]

Doctor protects coroner, there's no need to protect nk15 or Enchant because if one dies during night we lim the other

If coroner gets cc we trade 2 for 2 and there's only one scum left + the bug

Not revealing if who we lim today was true enginner is too dangerous unless we agree to lim the 2

Alternative, let both live for now, both investigate, there's a chance they find the bug

[Enchant]

If NK15 is Follower, Gnosia will not hesitate and shot one of us. Result: Trade of Traitor on Cop regardless who they shot. Maybe i produce one result if they shot NK15. That's it.
One guess in which benefit it will work out. (Tip: Not Town).

If NK15 is simple Gnosia, Gnosia just kill me. Sacrificing common member on Engineer is not bad trade, due my power to reveal More than one Gnosia.

If NK15 is Bug... Then... Hm. I don't get his motivation at all. Suicidal, eh?


Ergo, revealing Coroner is harmful for town. Your thought process (if you have it) are harmful and therefore, you can be evil.

[Not Known 15]

If NK15 is Follower, Gnosia will not hesitate and shot one of us. Result: Trade of Traitor on Cop regardless who they shot. Maybe i produce one result if they shot NK15. That's it.
One guess in which benefit it will work out. (Tip: Not Town).

If NK15 is simple Gnosia, Gnosia just kill me. Sacrificing common member on Engineer is not bad trade, due my power to reveal More than one Gnosia.

If NK15 is Bug... Then... Hm. I don't get his motivation at all. Suicidal, eh?


Ergo, revealing Coroner is harmful for town. Your thought process (if you have it) are harmful and therefore, you can be evil.

No, it isn't.
A lone (Gnosia) Coroner or Engineer claiming past Day 1 isn't confirmed. That's it.
If the Coroner doesn't claim today we will lose a conftown or a 1v1 or even a 1v2.

[JunkoChan]

If NK15 is Follower, Gnosia will not hesitate and shot one of us. Result: Trade of Traitor on Cop regardless who they shot. Maybe i produce one result if they shot NK15. That's it.
One guess in which benefit it will work out. (Tip: Not Town).

If NK15 is simple Gnosia, Gnosia just kill me. Sacrificing common member on Engineer is not bad trade, due my power to reveal More than one Gnosia.

If NK15 is Bug... Then... Hm. I don't get his motivation at all. Suicidal, eh?


Ergo, revealing Coroner is harmful for town. Your thought process (if you have it) are harmful and therefore, you can be evil.

Tbf i think you are town for this post, but trading 2 for 2 aint Bad imho

[FakeGod]

What don't you understand?

I understand your fears about uncontested late town PR claims, but I don't think the town would be naive enough to give them a free pass.

I worry that if we follow your plan and have the doctor claim, mafia does not cc and simply just shoots the doc tonight, leaving rest of the power roles vulnerable.

[FakeGod]

if one of them dies during the night we know they're both town cuz scum doesn't want to get rid of that kind of wifom.

What is this logic??

[Enchant]

Okay i put other way.


Presuming NK15 is Gnosia.
Presuming Coroner claims and then CCed by also Gnosia. Or other way around, no matter.
It's IDEALISTIC situation where AC Follower does nothing.

I am shot, you elim NK15. Makes sense.
Then you deal with Coroners. Probably also by shot+elim.

Now question: What you do next? Elim final Gnosia? Well, Bug will win.
Elim Bug instead? How you deduce him? How you will know you did it and kill him? Just bloodsauge everyone randomly and pray?

I am only person who can remove Bug from play without game turning in paranoid shit.
You need me.
Deal with it.


Coroner shouldn't claim. I shouldn't die.

[Not Known 15]

Okay i put other way.


Presuming NK15 is Gnosia.
Presuming Coroner claims and then CCed by also Gnosia. Or other way around, no matter.
It's IDEALISTIC situation where AC Follower does nothing.

I am shot, you elim NK15. Makes sense.
Then you deal with Coroners. Probably also by shot+elim.

Now question: What you do next? Elim final Gnosia? Well, Bug will win.
Elim Bug instead? How you deduce him? How you will know you did it and kill him? Just bloodsauge everyone randomly and pray?

I am only person who can remove Bug from play without game turning in paranoid shit.
You need me.
Deal with it.


Coroner shouldn't claim. I shouldn't die.

Hmmmmm.... I think Enchant is actually right on this one(except that I am the Engineer of course)

[FakeGod]

I don't think a situation where we trade 2 mafia for Cop & Doc is a bad situation.

[FakeGod]

Sorry, make that Cop & Coroner.

[shiki]

He obviously asks what human we have.

If question was about if i am human, he worded it "State if you are human".

i don't believe that's what not known 15 was asking?

but if so i am sq as anyone familiar with the source material as well as with me probably guessed from my stated affinity with my character

[shiki]

though it was kinda a strange way for marashu to phrase it due to saying town as opposed to humans but ehhh feels fairly interchangeable to me

Wanted to say it that way because at the time I didn't know whether or not there's a lie detector (to be fair, I still don't) and wanted to cover for bug/traitor coming up human in case it's an actual lie detector and not just saying you're human. Don't know if it's NK15's actual skill or if it's a bluff, but I lose nothing by going along with that as well.

FakeGod's intro is giving me +traitor vibes.

hmhmhm

but there still isn't an actual 'town' just 'humans'

[shiki]

But I do think that crew is more likely to use it now, especially after the conversation about tracking FoS/vote intents happened.

it is like

hard for me to see the usage being wholly unrelated to my conversation with autere would be a weird coincidence et cetera

(also makes me maybe a little ! towards autere but hard to see how that would have come together as like a PLAN ya know so probably paranoia)

but it feels odd that a town wouldn't just claim it after using it or even ask the thread before doing so ya know

like is there any benefit to not revealing that information if the user is town?

[shiki]

I am the Engineer!

Whoever wants to counterclaim: now or never.

I counterclaim.

I am Engineer.

uh, are the two of you standing by these claims?

[shiki]

I am the Engineer!

Whoever wants to counterclaim: now or never.

I counterclaim.

I am Engineer.

uh, are the two of you standing by these claims?

like it just feels kinda convenient the way this played out

but like if it's a ploy it's probably a mason thing so!

and if not it's kinda ???

[shiki]

I am the Engineer!

Whoever wants to counterclaim: now or never.

I counterclaim.

I am Engineer.

uh, are the two of you standing by these claims?

like it just feels kinda convenient the way this played out

but like if it's a ploy it's probably a mason thing so!

and if not it's kinda ???

also like

was enchant talking about not looking for the bug supposed to be a smokescreen then?

[shiki]

So yeah i don't care about bug.

like if supposedly engineer then

i assume you do care about bug?

and this was meant as disguise?

[shiki]

I am the Engineer!

I believe it.

consider me unconvinced of either of them

yeah this mostly

but it is probably partly due to my prior knowledge of both players

enchant from firsthand experience and not known 15 from a few newbies i've read where not known 15 made some very ??? claims

[shiki]

enchant putting a lot of effort into it for it to be a ploy by both of them together though so

dunno

maybe claim counterclaim situation then afterall hmm

[shiki]

but if so i am sq as anyone familiar with the source material as well as with me probably guessed from my stated affinity with my character

though kukrushka was my first choice and i remain slightly saddened that noone is posting as though they chose kukrushka

[shiki]

maybe claim counterclaim situation then afterall hmm

eh still seems wonky tho

[narrow parking]

VOTE: narrow parking

narrow prepares safe landing to CC me in case i will defeat fake.

His message will mean nothing if i die and everyone will forget it then, but will be used as "evidence" that he dropped tip about being Enginner to still cast doubt on me if i win.

if one of them dies during the night we know they're both town cuz scum doesn't want to get rid of that kind of wifom.

What is this logic??

why would u ?

[FakeGod]

why would u ?

Why would a town player counterclaim a cop claim?

[narrow parking]

why would u ?

Why would a town player counterclaim a cop claim?

why would a town player fake a cop claim?

[Enchant]

You want to say that NK15 is town out of blue decided to claim my role and forced me to reveal?

Yeah, sure.