hi, i'm large normal 242. and i'm over with.

[Enchant]

I'm here and not quick hammering.

But also, I am vla today and tomorrow. Jind of shitty timing, and I'm sorry, but I need to put more brain to this game then I can while vla.

Gut instinct is Enchant tho

Cool, now use other organ to think.

[Cape90]

I asked it after cape implied that we can be possible both be town, which only possible if Maria and Luke are both mafia,

or Cape mafia themselfs, which i honestly doubt

.

You haven't talked about or implied any sort of previous townread on me. So what is all this about?

I have bad memory, but if you insist you are mafia. Atleast your opening looked towny for me.

Either way, regardless did i get right or wrong, i will be long dead, so what point.

I am not insisting that I am mafia, you just literally just pulled out the townread out of thin air on me with seemingly little from your own logs backing up that thought.

Besides, once you are "long dead" the game would be "long over" correct? At least this is what it should be from your POV anyways

[Cape90]

Out of literally everyone Enchant, I have been the only person that has voiced a lean towards Math and not you

[MariaR]

Out of literally everyone Enchant, I have been the only person that has voiced a lean towards Math and not you

You can try to convince me on why it's Math/Luke and not Enchant/Luke sure.

I think the main reason it isn't is because they have the same claim tbh

[MariaR]

Sorry why it isn't a bus*

Like I don't think this is a SvS bus.

[Enchant]

I asked it after cape implied that we can be possible both be town, which only possible if Maria and Luke are both mafia,

or Cape mafia themselfs, which i honestly doubt

.

You haven't talked about or implied any sort of previous townread on me. So what is all this about?

I have bad memory, but if you insist you are mafia. Atleast your opening looked towny for me.

Either way, regardless did i get right or wrong, i will be long dead, so what point.

I am not insisting that I am mafia, you just literally just pulled out the townread out of thin air on me with seemingly little from your own logs backing up that thought.

Besides, once you are "long dead" the game would be "long over" correct? At least this is what it should be from your POV anyways

I will obv die

after

if Math voted out, so my voice as well as didn't count at this matter.


About your townread, as i said, i don't remember what happened in game mostly. I can look, if you want to question me about my motives. Which i also don't remember right now. Really.

[Enchant]

I am not comfortable.

[MathBlade]

I think it’s Enchant and Maria
But tbh it’s probably not going to be up to me on the last scum.

The way I see it is either
A> Elim Enchant and kill me as I am conf
B> Elim me and gg

I think Enchant and his scumbuddy thought they could get a quick win by voting me early that they forgot about elo rules and you can’t Unvote once you voted.

In my heart of hearts I really feel it was a planned gambit.

I hope you make the right choice but feel free to ask anything you need to make it.

And if you pick wrong no worries it’s just a game

[MariaR]

omg I get to elim mafia and MB dies in the night? Win win

[MariaR]

No wait, Cape will die and then Math will be like "CAN'T SEE WHY I LIVED" *Votes Maria*

[MathBlade]

No wait, Cape will die and then Math will be like "CAN'T SEE WHY I LIVED" *Votes Maria*

If that happened it would be

Hey look I am conf town cross vote. Then I very very slowly listen

[MariaR]

I don't believe you for a single but we'll reach that bridge when we cross it.

Don't know why Luke isn't freaking out when they've said they wanna vote Enchant and Cape wants to vote Math making me conf town

[Cape90]

IDK I suppose the right play might be Enchant. Literally not voicing your own townreads in the moment is something that is very odd to me and just seems anti-town.

[Cape90]

Sorry wrong words, i mean.

I don't think talking about these conclusions makes sense now, before we look at flip of Johhnny. I believe regardless what flip, we can realise what happens and make right choice, right now is kinda useless talk.

I would more likely to ask Marci about mind, because Marci will die like 99% and then move on, unless you have really strong reasoning why we should't go Johhnny.

And that’s what I am saying too.

Titus continues to push me to demand a Luke scumread now.

Which since we are elimming Johnny there’s like no reason to try to hero solve.

I can analyze based on how Johnny flips.

I wish I knew if Johnny's claim on one shot loyal BG is verifiable since I was just one-shot loyal BG, but I literally went on town and not mafia

I think the only thing close to it being verifiable would be to force titus to target johnny, but if Titus is scum it does not mean very much, and would require both of them to be allowed to live through the day

Ok, so I'm a 1-shot loyal bodyguard. I was unclear on if I still had my shot because it failed when chungo targeted Pooky.

I thought that meant I'd still have the opportunity to use it properly since I didn't actually guard any bodies, but I was mistaken. I didn't have an action to take last night

I was referring to this claim in particular

Mainly I think there’s just too much chaos around the slot. I don’t see a way that through mass claim we’d almost auto win if Johnny is town. I think it’s much more valuable to force Titus not to kill. If we elim Johnny then Titus visit someone and I force visit then if Titus is scum, scum PRs won’t be active if I follow the setup.

I don’t trust Titus to tell the truth.

Extra scum visit Marci because unless Titus is multitasking Marci won’t die otherwise.

Well, unless Titus multitasking, Titus can't use rolecop AND kill. Makes sense.

So if Titus visits someone else (who ideally would be good rolecop check, so it's not wasted) and you vouyer someone else, then you still know Titus visited them, unless scum somehow fake that (which i hardly see possible).

So i think, Marci visit is not superiour and is actually harmful.

That’s one option.

However we lose out on a lot more if I don’t voyeur Marci.

Because we know that it’s very likely scum will be visiting her then we get information on scum.

Eg if it’s just a kill action then we get info scum have a goon (or someone who can’t multitask)

It’s either A) I check Titus and give up information on scum and likely she is still scum anyway
Or B) I can get some limited information on scum but Titus is still scum

It’s lose lose.

if you insist on it then we can elim Johnny then Titus announces who she is checking and I can voyeur there but it’s suboptimal

Math blade, you literally said that on Johnny day that we shouldn't hero solve. And yet by the last quote it looks like you may have been suggesting a hero solve on Titus T.T

[Lukewarm]

I don't believe you for a single but we'll reach that bridge when we cross it.

Don't know why Luke isn't freaking out when they've said they wanna vote Enchant and Cape wants to vote Math making me conf town

I am not sure why I should be freaking out right now?

If I or cape (or you I guess if I am wrong on cape) vote wrong, we lose the game. But that was the same before the cross.

I should be able to re-focus tomorrow. I am VLA account wide

[Lukewarm]

Again, sorry for the timing

[MathBlade]

It’s the opposite.

Everyone pretty much could tell we needed to elim Johnny.

Titus was continually pitching not to.

Titus said she had it solved.

I did not trust her and thought she was flipping red and more power than she was based on her play and her bad checks.

Notice how she listened to Enchant (who is conf scum on who to check) if Titus had worked with me the check on Cape would have been unnecessary and we could have potentially seen more information on scum.

I didn’t force one on her.

[MathBlade]

Only worked because I copped Enchant.

Game's basically in marci+Enchant hands now if you still won't listen.

Nah. I literally see it. Enchant claimed double before today and gave me stink eye telling me Enchant was voyeur.

You literally did a useless check,

Enchant literally asked me to cop them...

Lukewarm and Cape are literally trying to shut this conversation down....

[MathBlade]

Then I can check Marci with my plan.

You and BCG/Johnny on Luke still sets up power. NM shooting Marci is your ideal world too.

I am not letting the scum partner check their buddy.

NM shoot Marci I voyeur Marci Johnny visit Marci is the only way to reliably check both. If you like you can check Johnny.

We agree NM shoots Marci, so why vote her?

We can confirm Johnny and Luke tonight with this information.

You actually need to listen.

You said yourself that scum have no roleblocker.

So play out every scenario.

There's no way scum engame if we have Johnny and you go to Luke. I think you know that though.

She kept pitching me+Luke or Luke+Cape

She kept pushing it and begging for Johnny’s life repeatedly

I can’t find it on my phone but she when asked the third scum begrudgingly put Johnny

Once she made her mind up its scummy to disagree with her

[Cape90]

You are fully aware Titus flipped town right?

[MathBlade]

You are fully aware Titus flipped town right?

Yes.

I was explaining what she was doing.

You said I forced a hero solve on her. The opposite is true she was forcing a hero solve on the game

I was just trying to elim Johnny.

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 6.1 !

MathBlade (1):

Enchant

Enchant (1):

MathBlade

not voting (3):

Lukewarm, Cape90, MariaR

with 5 alive, it takes 3 to blow someone up. day 6 ends in (expired on 2022-11-24 15:41:45)

modorator notes

• obo

[Enchant]

Idk what elo rules, you probably should point at them, but you will not.

Because they don't exist.

[MathBlade]

Idk what elo rules, you probably should point at them, but you will not.

Because they don't exist.

Most sites actual lock votes on elo
Mafia Universe is one.

The rule you don’t Unvote is very common

Gamma just got bit by that in Lost that just finished

[MathBlade]

viewtopic.php?p=13516410#p13516410

Seriously I just wasn’t at a place I could.