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Day 1 Count III

DeasVail (2) - Star Power, Passenger
JohnnyFarrar (2) - PenguinPower, Herta
The Bombay (2) - Bell, Kokabiel
Kokabiel (2) - The Bombay, DeasVail
PenguinPower (1) - JohnnyFarrar
N.Y. M (1) - Frogsterking
Passenger (1) - Andresvmb
Star Power (1) - Flavia

Not Voting

- furtiveglance, N.Y. M

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• With 14 remaining, it takes 8 to form a majority.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2022-11-16 17:00:00).

[Passenger]

I'm trying to make posts made so far AI in my head, but I'm not really coming up with much.

rcan you please explain what you mean by “make posts AI in your head?”

I tend to think that most posts are probably NAI, at the end of the day. But particularly in the early game I think it’s helpful to think about whether particular posts are more likely from town, and to push on anything that might be from scum. For the posts made thus far, I had some thoughts along the lines of “this could be from town”, but then also counter-arguments in my head about why what I thought was town, wasn’t necessarily.

For example, I agree that Star Power’s post isn’t particularly indicative of scum, but I also can’t townread that post. In the end it’s just a colourful way of saying “let’s kill scum!”

I see. There are more to posts than what the post boils down to, there’s wording, tone, etc, but I get where you’re coming from.
UNVOTE:

[Passenger]

VOTE: pengy

Ngl I kinda like that this community is in a lil turmoil if this is how we treat foreigners

what does this mean?

A bit of partner equity with Fruitofelegance and Deasnutz here, because this seems like a straightforward joke to me in context, so maybe deas just isn't reading furfurs posts?

That or my humor isn't clear

I could see a world in which someone misinterprets your post.

[Passenger]

can you vote kokabiel

-marci

This, on the other hand, is NOT cute at all. I fail to see how calling acquaintances to join a... RVS? vote is town behavior

Why do you think it’s scum behavior?

[Passenger]

59 is over-explainy. Which is the only reason I’m putting this vote down. I’m not buying Scum enters the thread and basically says I can’t find ways to contribute. I would probably spam or act silly before I admit that I am not actively contributing to solving. That’s my perspective so obviously won’t apply across the board. But that’s all I got. So I think Passenger is trying to justify a vote with too many words when there’s no way you can make that long a case about anyone.

The question I was being asked didn’t make sense given the context, so I felt the need to restate my case on DeasVail. Also, I spent 1/3 of that post rephrasing what I had already said because I didn’t know whether I was being clear enough.

[Passenger]

Marci is town.

What about Luke’s posts?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Setup

General Information

• This is a Large Theme themed around a group of militants and a government operative.
  
• The
  Residents
  are the uninformed majority and the
  Delegation
  is the informed minority.
  
• There is a
  Government
  operative who is
  Antisocial
  . If they win, all other players will lose.
  
• The setup does not meet
  Normal Guidelines
  but has no
  Bastard
  elements.
  
• Multitasking
  and
  Daytalk
  is enabled by default.

Probably this?

This is news to me, but also I said they had partner equity. This don't change that.

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Bell

[Flavia]

Random or serious?

[furtiveglance]

Random or serious?

Bit late for random. I guess you want more explanation then. I think 21 comes to the conclusion that I'm trueclaiming a bit too quickly. 33 as well. Feels a bit "meh, not sure" which Bell was like as mafia in The Turing Test.

[Passenger]

Spoiler:

Breaking down this interaction:

Post 1

Kokabiel says Marci’s vote on her is scummy.
Kokabiel says Marci asking Frogster to join the wagon is towny for Frogster.
Kokabiel says DeasVail inviting himself onto the wagon is scummy for DeasVail.

Post 2

Frogster asks why DeasVail is scummier than him, because they did the same thing.
Frogster says that Kokabiel is trying to start a TvT fight between DeasVail and Johnny

Post 3

Kokabiel asks Frogster why he claims that she faked her evaluation.
Kokabiel asks Frogster why he never asked Marci why she faked her read on her.

Post 4

Frogster asks Kokabiel why he would ask Marci why she voted Kokabiel.
Frogster asks Kokabiel why DeasVail inviting himself on the wagon is scummy.
Frogster asks Kokabiel why she disagrees with Johnny’s case on DeasVail.
Frogster asks Kokabiel why she is asking him questions.

My Analysis:

Kokabiel scumreads Marci because Marci’s vote on her was a naked vote with no explanation. This doesn’t make sense, because Marci’s vote was clearly RVS. From this incorrect premise Kokabiel comes to the logical conclusion that Frogster is town and DeasVail is scum. Her assumption that Marci is scum for her naked vote is an NAI overreaction.

Frogster does not understand both Kokabiel’s premise and her logic, and thinks she must be trying to start a fight between DeasVail and Johnny. This point is invalid because her premise is wrong but NAI and her logic is correct. Frogster is scummy for this post because he assumes that because he doesn’t understand something, it must be scummy. If he was trying to engage with her in good faith he would have waited for her answer.

Kokabiel correctly points out Frogster’s leap of “I don’t understand” to “this is scum.” Frogster responds by asking Kokabiel questions she has already answered and then he asks her what she intends to achieve by asking him questions. Frogster also says that he will always scumread things he doesn’t understand.

By this point, Frogster has conceded he engaged in scummy behavior, and all of his reasons for Kokabiel being scum are invalid because of that.
VOTE: Frogster

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Bombay

[Passenger]

OK, did post 74 change your read?

What a useless fucking question.

Ah, psychoanalysis...not my favorite but what can you do?

What makes you assume Passenger is telling the truth?

No, this is a useless question. What possible reason would I have to lie about that?

[The Bombay]

Stuck on mobile atm, but I did see multiple people refer to Marci's vote on Koka as an RVS vote, when it wasn't.

My vote on Bell was our RVS vote.

Marci said she wanted to vote Koka because her iso was "beyond useless"

I opened the iso and agreed that it was weird that the only thing she had commented on up to that point was the "just the delegation " thing, and absolutely nothing else. Seemed like she was overly cautious of voicing opinions.

~Luke

[The Bombay]

I'm trying to make posts made so far AI in my head, but I'm not really coming up with much.

Must be scum out of ideas.

Also, saw 2 different people taking this seriously.

I am pretty sure that this was a sarcastic/ joke post from Bell. Which made passenger latching onto it as an excuse to vote DeasV pretty bad.

[The Bombay]

Vaguely leaning town on:

Bell
Furtiveglance
Frogster
Johnny

These are Luke thoughts, not really talked with Marci about these yet.

~Luke

[The Bombay]

Random or serious?

Bit late for random. I guess you want more explanation then. I think 21 comes to the conclusion that I'm trueclaiming a bit too quickly. 33 as well. Feels a bit "meh, not sure" which Bell was like as mafia in The Turing Test.

If it makes you feel better, Bell's reactions to your claim were my exact reactions too.

[Kokabiel]

can you vote kokabiel

-marci

This, on the other hand, is NOT cute at all. I fail to see how calling acquaintances to join a... RVS? vote is town behavior

Why do you think it’s scum behavior?

The vote itself isn't bad, it's the fact that she is calling other people to join it. Pushing someone without any reason is dumb and anti-town.
While anti-town doesn't necessarily mean scum, it's the best thing i have right now and getting rid of people like this in absence of better alternatives is a great move.
I decided to scumread this instead of seeing it as bad town because i doubt she would make such a blunder as town.

[Kokabiel]

Setup

General Information

• This is a Large Theme themed around a group of militants and a government operative.
  
• The
  Residents
  are the uninformed majority and the
  Delegation
  is the informed minority.
  
• There is a
  Government
  operative who is
  Antisocial
  . If they win, all other players will lose.
  
• The setup does not meet
  Normal Guidelines
  but has no
  Bastard
  elements.
  
• Multitasking
  and
  Daytalk
  is enabled by default.

Probably this?

This is news to me, but also I said they had partner equity. This don't change that.

I didn't really understand what you meant by partner equity so i took a stab in the dark. Actually i still don't understand what partner equity means.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I think they could be partnered because it seemed like deas was ignoring/skimming fertilevagrants posts

[Kokabiel]

S
Marci said she wanted to vote Koka because her iso was "beyond useless"

Marci please enlighten me with the amazing reads you got from pages 1-3. Luke has been doing all the lifting for you so far and i can't say i'm impressed even as a joke.

[The Bombay]

It is not a matter of having a ton of reads, which is what they seem to be trying to turn it into, it is a matter of scope.

The entirety of Koka's iso prior to our vote (3 posts)

Spoiler:

Hello everyone! I am here, ready to be a shining light against the delegation!

VOTE: DeasVail

JUST the delegation?

Smart penguin.
Would be funny if two people come to replace him.

Hello everyone! I am here, ready to be a shining light against the delegation!

VOTE: DeasVail

JUST the delegation?

I am kind of thinking that StarPower appearing to not know that there is a 3rd party makes them more likely to be town.

Seriously doubt that the actual 3rd party would not be too self-conscious to frame it that way, so imo town>scum>3rd party

I can also see it as a 3rd party slip because he got excited and wrote his raw thoughts without thinking. Agree that it's less likely to come from scum tho

Other then jumping on a single thing from StarPower, who are they trying to sort? Who are they asking questions to?

Just some examples off the top of my head: Did they have thoughts on furtive's claim, did they have a reaction to Bell's reaction? Did they have thoughts about me in light of my response to their only stated suspicion? No clue, because the only thing in the entire game that was apparently worthy of comment on was exactly 1 star power post.

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The fact that their reaction to our vote was to attack, instead of asking any kind of questions (like I don't know, "why are you scum reading me?" or "was that a serious vote") shows that they are more interested in attacking / discrediting us, then sorting us.

I am even more happy with our vote then before tbh.

[Kokabiel]

I think they could be partnered because it seemed like deas was ignoring/skimming fertilevagrants posts

Deas posted something; Then furtive claimed miller.
5 hours after that Deas asked you what your comment under the vote means.
You ignore Deas and at some point it clicks that he himself ignored the miller claim.

It looks to me that he was confused with your comment and wasn't interested in the miller claim itself.
Until i reread it now i thought you softclaimed foreigner

[Kokabiel]

It is not a matter of having a ton of reads, which is what they seem to be trying to turn it into, it is a matter of scope.
The entirety of Koka's iso prior to our vote (3 posts)

Spoiler:

Hello everyone! I am here, ready to be a shining light against the delegation!

VOTE: DeasVail

JUST the delegation?

Smart penguin.
Would be funny if two people come to replace him.

Hello everyone! I am here, ready to be a shining light against the delegation!

VOTE: DeasVail

JUST the delegation?

I am kind of thinking that StarPower appearing to not know that there is a 3rd party makes them more likely to be town.

Seriously doubt that the actual 3rd party would not be too self-conscious to frame it that way, so imo town>scum>3rd party

I can also see it as a 3rd party slip because he got excited and wrote his raw thoughts without thinking. Agree that it's less likely to come from scum tho

Other then jumping on a single thing from StarPower, who are they trying to sort? Who are they asking questions to?

Just some examples off the top of my head: Did they have thoughts on furtive's claim, did they have a reaction to Bell's reaction? Did they have thoughts about me in light of my response to their only stated suspicion? No clue, because the only thing in the entire game that was apparently worthy of comment on was exactly 1 star power post.

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The fact that their reaction to our vote was to attack, instead of asking any kind of questions (like I don't know, "why are you scum reading me?" or "was that a serious vote") shows that they are more interested in attacking / discrediting us, then sorting us.

I am even more happy with our vote then before tbh.

You ignored all the chat, put a naked vote on me, Called out to others to join the naked vote and when i call you out on your bs you are saying that i didn't engage in any questions with you.
No; YOU didn't engage in any questions with ME. And you are already ignoring my demand on your reads from pages 1-3 and are just shading me.

[Kokabiel]

Your ISO has a vote on me; Calling others to vote on me; Shading me;
That's it. No quantity. No context.
Where are your opinions on other stuff?