Mini 659: The Neighborhood- Game over on Day 6

[bionicchop2]

3 posts and still nothing about last night...

[crywolf20084]

3 posts and still nothing about last night...

I had similar thoughts.

Looking at your posting history, and giving us the links to them seems quiet a bit like stalling to me.

[Ythill]

3 posts and still nothing about last night...

Nothing direct, but we can now assume that he either didn't watch Elias or didn't see wolf target Elias, because of this...

Next: My vote on crywolf

@wolf: Thank you for answering. I'll consider your answer later today, when I have more time. Going to leave my vote on my top suspect for now.

[bionicchop2]

3 posts and still nothing about last night...

Nothing direct, but we can now assume that he either didn't watch Elias or didn't see wolf target Elias, because of this...

Next: My vote on crywolf

We can also assume he didn't watch Tony or he would have posted it already.

I also really doubt the claim in general because of this:

I noticed I am on top of everyone's suspicion list for the following reasons:

- Failed to post
- My vote on crywolf
- Never revealed Oman's results

Notice the last line. This implies any results DR would have are from Oman. DR replaced before last night.

Simply put, DR does not have any results of his own or he would have posted them by now.

I don't doubt the internet connection problems. I just doubt he is town.

[Dead Rikimaru]

Simply put, DR does not have any results of his own or he would have posted them by now.

Simply put. This is stupid.
If I had no results I would just need to fake them. I had a loooooooong time to do it.

Yes, I had a result last night.

What if I simply came after ten days and posted them?
You would be the first to attack me saying I was faking them.

After ten days a lot has been said behind my back and I'm high on everyone's scumdar.
I need to clarify all that was past first so players will give proper weight to my findings.

BTW, to those yelling "stalling" (!@#$%)
Here is the deal: DO NOT ALLOW ANOTHER NO LYNCH. If I'm not finished until deadline (I will) simply lynch me.

[Ythill]

After ten days a lot has been said behind my back and I'm high on everyone's scumdar.
I need to clarify all that was past first so players will give proper weight to my findings.

Two reasons that this is complete bullshit...

(1) This may be (borderline) acceptable for explaining why you are not posting results now, but does not explain why you didn't post them in #1063.

(2) Posting your results will in no way affect the time we have remaining. While it may be true that we will give no weight to your results if we suspect you, posting them will not make us suspect you more or less, and you still have the same amount of time to clear yourself before deadline. Delaying your results, meanwhile, only has the effect of increasing our suspicions, which is counterproductive to your stated goal.

Like I said before, there is absoluetly no pro-town reason to withhold information here. However, there is a viable scum strategy that accounts for your behavior.

Wolf on your wagon may be a WIFOM game or, god forbid, I could be wrong about her, but I am quickly warming to a DR lynch. Post your results within 24 hours or die.

[bionicchop2]

Simply put, DR does not have any results of his own or he would have posted them by now.

Simply put. This is stupid.
If I had no results I would just need to fake them. I had a loooooooong time to do it.

Yes, I had a result last night.

What if I simply came after ten days and posted them?
You would be the first to attack me saying I was faking them.

After ten days a lot has been said behind my back and I'm high on everyone's scumdar.
I need to clarify all that was past first so players will give proper weight to my findings.

BTW, to those yelling "stalling" (!@#$%)
Here is the deal: DO NOT ALLOW ANOTHER NO LYNCH. If I'm not finished until deadline (I will) simply lynch me.

lol. Somehow you think if you are town that hammering yourself on lylo helps in any way.

vote Dead Rikimaru

results. now.

[bionicchop2]

unvote

The next one will be real though.

[crywolf20084]

Why did you vote then unvote?

[crywolf20084]

Doublepost..Some thing caught my eye.

If I'm not finished until deadline (I will) simply lynch me.

I do

not

like this statement at all.

[bionicchop2]

Why did you vote then unvote?

Do you think it was scummy for me to do it?

I have my reasons for what I did. I do want to vote DR and I would love to pressure him with L-2, but I don't feel safe leaving it there for any extended period of time.

[crywolf20084]

Why did you vote then unvote?

Do you think it was scummy for me to do it?

I have my reasons for what I did. I do want to vote DR and I would love to pressure him with L-2, but I don't feel safe leaving it there for any extended period of time.

Not scummy, just kinda think you took the pressure away as soon as you applied it, which I kinda find soft...and weak.

[bionicchop2]

I can agree with that. I am still very wary of fhq. I am also not confident both you and DR are scum. Since I still think 2 vanillas out of rash,ythill and fhq are scum, leaving DR at l-2 would leave the fat in scum hands.

DR has 1 post to provide results or I will vote for him and cross y fingers.

[crywolf20084]

At least you agree.

And I do agree that the vanilla's are where the scum is hiding. I can easily see Ythill, and would've voted for him if I was not so cofident in my vote on DR.

@DR: Even though my vote is already on you, I would love to see some answers too.

[Rashiminos]

Some unexpected work came along between yesterday and today, and I don't anticipate being able to manage to catch up and post before late tonight/tomorrow.

[fhqwhgads]

I'm still here,

I'm really not understanding DR dragging this out. What possibly could he gain by it? I think he's scum hoping others might put their foot in it and 'implicate' themselves. Maybe even come out with a "oh, I investigated (suspicious townie) and he's scum."

[crywolf20084]

This is bullshit. He said if he didn't get what he wanted said tonight, we'll have to wait until monday. MONDAY. May I note that monday is the 17th, a day before the deadline???

[gorckat]

Vote Count

(4 to lynch)

Dead Rikimaru:

crywolf

Ythill:

Rashiminos

crywolf:

Ythill

Not voting (4):

Elias, bionic, Dead Rikimaru, fhqswgads

[Ythill]

...I am quickly warming to a DR lynch. Post your results within 24 hours or die.

More than 24 hours has passed.

unvote; vote: Dead Rikimaru

[Elias_the_thief]

can we NOT force a lynch 3 days before deadline?

...I am quickly warming to a DR lynch. Post your results within 24 hours or die.

More than 24 hours has passed.

unvote; vote: Dead Rikimaru

HE HAS CONNECTION PROBLEMS. He has legitimate connection problems and is serving as a mod in one game and a back up mod in mine. Additionally, he has work (i cant say if thats legit or not). However, lynching him when you can just give him 3 more days is plain STUPID.

[crywolf20084]

can we NOT force a lynch 3 days before deadline?

...I am quickly warming to a DR lynch. Post your results within 24 hours or die.

More than 24 hours has passed.

unvote; vote: Dead Rikimaru

HE HAS CONNECTION PROBLEMS. He has legitimate connection problems and is serving as a mod in one game and a back up mod in mine. Additionally, he has work (i cant say if thats legit or not). However, lynching him when you can just give him 3 more days is plain STUPID.

He could've saved those couple posts he got, spewing nothing but utter bullshit that does not pertain to the game, and posted something that is helpful!

[crywolf20084]

Edit: ....couple posts he got,

instead of

spewing nothing but utter bullshit ....

[Elias_the_thief]

That doesnt mean we lynch him outright. That means we allow him at least til monday, as he promised content by then. If he fails, we lynch him at deadline. How, in any way, is lynching him now superior than lynching him then? At worst, he says more stuff to analize.

[Rashiminos]

I'm asking why you want to know people's theories on potential DR-scum connections, not why I should have already considered it.

The way things have been going, it doesn't seem like we're going to have anyone but DR lynched today, so I'm wondering who's being an opportunist and who has a more informed and developed opinion. Your vote-switching looks like the former.

I've got the feeling my life means one of two things: wrong about suspects, or prime lynchee...

Yet nobody has pushed you and here you are pursuing your same suspects. What changed your mind about this? What does your "life mean" now?

And then someone made a vote in LYLO which didn't quickly lead to a loss. At that point it became a matter of deciding between the voter and the votee. LYLO is not the time for pressure votes (vote to lynch instead). You unvoting seems overly bold for your prior stance of trying "not to hurt the town." If crywolf voting with you is a problem, then you weren't sure enough of your vote, and had no business making it (finger of suspicion exists for a reason).

Oh wait, this is obvious. Ythill unvoted in LYLO.

Ythill removed a pressure vote when wolf-scum followed him onto the wagon. What difference does LYLO make in this scenario? Explain how I would benefit from my action as scum.

First part is answered above. Second part should be obvious.

Here are some questions for you. Do you believe there is a mafia RB? If so, why? If not, can you explain how it is that Tony died?

I'm seriously questioning my town read on you. For days now you have been ignoring and pooh-poohing evidence against obv-wolf while pushing suspicion on me (her primary attacker) and DR (her counterclaim). I've been chalking this up to tunnel-vision but, as the evidence mounts, I am starting to wonder.

Um, no. There has not been any indication of a roleblocking ability this game, let alone one working towards scummy ends. I imagine our special claims would have made more noise in that case. Tony's death is a matter of two things: Scum chose to kill him, crywolf chose to protect

elias

(with bionic as a runner-up choice and Tony way back in 3rd or worse).

Many of the attacks on crywolf have been scummy, and have cast legitimate doubt between the two parties for me. As for ignoring the case against her, you forgot that I voted her yesterday and we decided to not lynch (again) instead.

This post of Ythill's that I quoted seems to be bordering on misrepresentation.

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I am quite interested in why Rash threw a vote on Ythill. I understand if he thinks he is scummy, but he seems unphased by the fact we were supposed to have 2 roles which could protect the tracker, yet the tracker has turned up dead and nobody has a good explanation for it.

See above for the vote. It should not be surprising that a power role died when the doc was not protecting that role.

For that vote/unvote stunt:

IGMEOY: bionic

Ythill's latest vote change only increases my confidence. I'll also echo the sentiment that "personal DR-needs-to-post deadlines" as a reason to vote DR is utterly absurd. Lurkiness =/= scumminess.

[Ythill]

can we NOT force a lynch 3 days before deadline?

Vote with me or don't. I'm not forcing anything. The only way we'll get a quicklynch is if DR is town, and that's pretty damned unlikley. Although I would recommend that we don't place another vote until someone is ready to hammer.

HE HAS CONNECTION PROBLEMS. He has legitimate connection problems and is serving as a mod in one game and a back up mod in mine.

I'm not voting him for connection problems. He

has

posted. Any of his posts could have contained the results of his investigations. He chose not to post it. Waiting until the last minute to post that info only serves the purposes of scum. He gave an excuse for why he made this choice and it was bs. Ergo, DR is scum.

LYLO is not the time for pressure votes...

Matter of opinion. I think there's no time a pressure vote is more effective. I was online and checking regularly for safety's sake, and unvoted the moment someone scummy jumped aboard.

Tony's death is a matter of two things: Scum chose to kill him, crywolf chose to protect elias (with bionic as a runner-up choice and Tony way back in 3rd or worse).

Tony was the only person who could prove or disprove wolf. He was the

obvious

NK target. Might as well have been a confirmed cop. You're asking us to swallow that not only did wolf not protect him, but the mafia somehow knew wolf would not protect him? It is unfathomable.

I even set a little WIFOM trap out there, naming Tony as a likely kill. They

both

ignored it?

Ythill's latest vote change only increases my confidence.

So I am scummy for initially pressure voting DR. And for unvoting him when there was a sign of foul play. And for revoting him when he revealed his own alignment. I'm damned, in your opinion, no matter what I do. You've been making assumptive attacks on me for days, ever since I figured out wolf's alignment. I can't believe you expect to be taken seriously.

I'll also echo the sentiment that "personal DR-needs-to-post deadlines" as a reason to vote DR is utterly absurd. Lurkiness =/= scumminess.

I

never

claimed that lurkiness equated to scumminess. I've said that withholding info in this spot is scummy. That posting excuses and waiting until the last minute (or never) to give information cannot serve the purposes of town, but only serves the purposes of scum.

As for the "deadline," I wanted to vote for DR as soon as I read his post. The 24-hours was leeway.

Wolf has been the obv-lynch since D1. DR has been obv since he replaced in. The

only

question in my mind is whether it is reasonable that they are scum together, but I've gotten over that. I'm just grateful that one is voting the other so that we can hang DR in spite of Rash's "blindness."

You lament the fact that DR is the only one we'll be able to lynch as if you aren't the cause of that predicament. I'd

love

to hang wolf but, though he's claimed he would, DR isn't voting her. And neither are you. Maybe you're scum and it doesn't matter who you're voting for, but if you are town and voting for me, the only way we can win this game is if we act quickly enough to utilize wolf's distancing to our advantage.