Am pretty sure he knows why.
Nice to see Raging Rabbit again. I figured you were a done deal after that fiasco between you and Twito.
Why do you FoS Battle Mage for this comment, but not FoS me for this one:destructor wrote:What's with the WIFOM?Battle Mage, Post 46 wrote:Damn. Well, at least you'll never find out who my other buddy is!DrippingGoofball wrote:Good catch, but I'm already voting for his buddy, Kison.Korts wrote:unvote, vote: BM
For two consecutive posts without a vote. Shame on you.
*cough*Sensfan*cough*
BM
FOS: Battle Mage
This is the first FOS I've pointed in about 12 months. Consider it seriously hardcore.
DrippingGoofball wrote:Liar, Kison was bus'ing Guardian.Battle Mage wrote:*cough*Sensfan*cough*
BM
To whomever asked me what I think of Battle Mage, I think for the most part his zany behavior matches what I remember from playing with him ages ago. Which doesn't say much. The only thing from him which I find even remotely alarming so far is his declaration that he is pretty sure CKD is Town so early in the game.Kison wrote:Still am, in fact.
Why?roflcopter wrote:des is so town
Except that he makes a good point. Why have you 'cleared'(your words) destructor so early in the game?roflcopter wrote:unvote, vote: ckd
scum hate it so much when town starts clearing other town, it makes it so much harder to get mislynches
He already explained this. He asked about Yosarian2 because he was the one who hadn't done anything to indicate he was scum because he hadn't even posted yet.CKD wrote:again, questions to get things started?..maybe...why does he not ask about RR and Kison?...sometime just doesnt feel right.roflcopter wrote:i'm on that shortlist why?destructor wrote:We should let the SK kill some Mafia for us first.
1. roflcopter
2. Yosarian2
3. Raging Rabbit
4. Kison
more interestingly, yosarian is on that list why?
Why?roflcopter wrote:kison deserves some closer scrutiny
roflcoptor wrote:and ckd, i have been saying that my town read on des is a gut read just like your scum read on me is, not that my vote on you is gut. my vote on you is perfectly well reasoned, and has nothing to do with oh my god sucking you.
He's so town that it's blindingly obvious, yet it's also unexplainable because it's a gut read?roflcoptor wrote:god what an astute comment! des issotown its like blindingly obvious.
I had contemplated it, but I've played with DrippingGoofball before. She's crazy(I say this lovingly) and does that sort of thing. Note she 'pegged' the three scum and Serial Killer. A very similar line of thinking in the madness that is DrippingGoofball's mind. Simply put, I do not know how to deal with zany players like DrippingGoofball. It's like trying to deal with the Battle Mage version 1.0.destructor wrote:DGB said rofl and I are 100% town, which seems a bigger statement than rofl ever made. I'm wondering why ckd and Kison are making rofl the bigger deal here and in fact saying nothing about DGB at all.
And what does less time mean for Town? Less time to reach an optimal lynch. Read this. Similar strategy. Catastrophic consequences.roflcopter wrote:i think its in our best interest to reach a lynch in this game before deadline (well before deadline, ideally) to give scum less time to make an optimal kill or possibly catch them off guard and deprive them of a kill altogether.
You made the comment before I posted, which means you had an idea of why I deserved scrutiny based on previous actions, yet you dodged the question and focused only on my more recent attacks. So I'll ask again: what did I do before my last post that led you to conclude I deserved more scrutiny?roflcopter wrote:you pretty well demonstrate why with the rest of what follows in your postKison wrote:Why?roflcopter wrote:kison deserves some closer scrutiny
*shrug* There are very few players who I am going to give leeway towards, but she happens to be one of them. It's not that I find it 'acceptable', but I'm far less willing to assume that DrippingGoofball in particular making ridiculous statements of that sort indicates one way or another that she is scum or town. I don't know how to read her, and I think you'll find that many people in this game who've played with her before know that she has a very unusual demeanor.thats a nice excuse for selectively persecuting one person instead of another for doing the same thing. what makes me any less "zany" than dgb?
I disagree; I'm not defending CKD, but rather one of his arguments. Why? Because I think the argument in question is valid.roflcoptor wrote:this smells an awful lot like a chainsaw defense of ckdroflcoptor wrote:and ckd, i have been saying that my town read on des is a gut read just like your scum read on me is, not that my vote on you is gut. my vote on you is perfectly well reasoned, and has nothing to do with oh my god sucking you.He's so town that it's blindingly obvious, yet it's also unexplainable because it's a gut read?roflcoptor wrote:god what an astute comment! des issotown its like blindingly obvious.
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Vote: roflcoptor
Because they were similar comments with inconsistent responses. I hadn't remembered that I said I was joking, though.ZazieR wrote:Why did you want to know this?Kison wrote:Why do you FoS Battle Mage for this comment, but not FoS me for this one
Not by the hair on my chinny chin chin.DrippingGoofball wrote:Kison is scum for casting aspersions on roflcopter's unblemished record as townie town town in this game.
His case is absolute rubbish but he's perhaps hoping we interpret his actions as bus'ing after we lynch or vig him.
You implied that you are clearing destructor. I can't fathom how someone can be that certain of someone's alignment without the ability to point to what makes them feel that way.roflcoptor wrote:ckd, kison: how does bm's declaration that ckd is protown differ from my own about des,
It hasn't:roflcoptor wrote:and why has it gone ignored by you two up to this point?
But now that BM is back he can go ahead and point out what CKD has done to make him say that.Kison wrote: The only thing from him which I find even remotely alarming so far is his declaration that he is pretty sure CKD is Town so early in the game.
Disagree. When you're willing to clear someone and make statements like this, you should be damn well capable of figuring out why you have such a strong town read on that individual. My stance on 'gut' is closer to Vollkan's hardcore disapproval of them; it's an easy cop out for not backing your reads on an individual. Something causes your 'gut' to tell you one thing or another; you simply have to find out what it is. (and it looks like he finally did)Korts wrote:des, are you accusing me of not scumhunting?
I see what my beef with this is. a) rofl's "blindingly obvious" comment was a very clear hyperbole, and b) "blindingly obvious" doesn't even come close to contradicting the statement that it was a gut read on des. This is pure, unadulterated BS.Kison wrote:He's so town that it's blindingly obvious, yet it's also unexplainable because it's a gut read?
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Vote: roflcoptor
No, actually, I liked your post a lot. But more importantly, I took the time to look at some of your completed games and found that you have done this before as Town(the best example I found was Open 81). That basically gets rid of anything I had going on you.roflcoptor wrote:so, now that i've pointed out why i find des to be so protown, are you gonna stop voting me, or are you gonna manufacture another reason to keep your vote where it is?
Yosarian2 wrote:Kirson wrote: To whomever asked me what I think of Battle Mage, I think for the most part his zany behavior matches what I remember from playing with him ages ago. Which doesn't say much. The only thing from him which I find even remotely alarming so far is his declaration that he is pretty sure CKD is Town so early in the game.
Yosarian2 wrote:Kirson bouncing off the walls
Yosarian2 wrote:Kirson
AHHHH!!! GET HIM!!!Yosarian2 wrote:r
In light of Adel's response to this I am just going to reiterate that I am opposed to rushing the day. We don't necessarily have to run up to the deadline, but I do not see any benefit in ending the day prematurely if we're not ready.Guardian wrote:PS: An interesting consequence of the rules as Adel responded to me is that if we quick-lynch someone before Adel has resolved a mafia kill, the mafia kill will not go through. So we might want to try that as a strategy at some point, and in fact we might want to be more liberal about hammering on a whim or some such if the mafia have not killed yet. Sure, mafia could get away with BS quick hammers, but then they would be killing scummy people instead of whomever they chose.
roflcopter was giving the impression that he had more than just a mild belief that Destructor was town.Elmo wrote:Rofl's position is (basically) that some townish things are impossible to fake, therefore towntells exist, therefore Des is (probably) town. CKD's position appears to be the opposite. Okay, theory disagreement. But then CKD says Rofl is buddying up. That would imply RoflTown couldn't reasonably believe Des was town, and I'd think it fairly obvious that he could;
It goes beyond the initial feeling roflcopter displayed; he was refusing to provide anything to back it up. I find the idea of being able to write someone off while unable to provide any example of what is giving you that feeling to be inconceivable. CKD coming to that same conclusion does not bother me at all.Elmo wrote:I don't see a reason CKD would eliminate the possibility that Rofl is genuine, but (in his opinion) incorrect. So I think his suspicion is contrived, primarily because I would have expected him to have encountered this viewpoint before (it's probably a lot more common than his)[/b] but also because of the way he went about it; stuff like 114 / 116 seems more oriented towards convincing other people rather than talking it over. I think a townie would probably be more inclined to try and see if they were right or not, especially at this stage of the game. Scum are far more inclined to turn it into a "me vs. you" debate because they can be sure they're not on the same side, whereas town-town fights can be awful.
Scummy indicates I've done something that makes me more likely to be scum. What, then are you referring to? Or did your 'gut' tell you to say that?Elmo wrote:Kison is kind of scummy. But I don't know if that's just him. Kison, are you scum?
I've already presented a more recent stance. But again I am going to reiterate that I think the CKD wagon is blown out of proportions. I'm viewing CKD's actions as two separate issues, which are as follows:destructor wrote:What do you think now?Kison wrote:Someone asked me what I think of the furious karma dog. As I said, I agree with his point about clearing Destructor so early without being able to point out why, but disagree with most everything else he used as a basis for switching his vote. However, whether or not his switch of a vote indicates a link between him and Korts, I do not know. I'm going to go back and look over the whole ordeal right now and will post back shortly.
I would like the infamous Battle Mage to respond to this.destructor wrote:You definitely didn't. You on ckd:BM wrote:@Kison-ive already explained my stance on CKD at least twice.
@Des- same applies to you. It'd be nice if you read some of my posts, before asking me questions that i've already answered.BM, Post 28 wrote:I'm pretty sure you're town at this point.BM, Post 157 wrote:But i have a town read on him based on a meta i can't reference, so it isn't of great value to the game at this point.A strong town read based on a meta that you can't reference is BS. And you're comfortable to say this by Post 28?BM, Post 171 wrote:This is actually a very good point. If DGB wasnt a professional bser, and CKD strongly protown, i might be tempted to follow you.
I unvoted you because I found that your actions matched your actions in another game where you were Town.roflcopter wrote:voting someone, or threatening to vote someone, for "not answering questions" is still stupid, as kison discovered when i answered his questions and he had no good reason to keep his vote on me.
I had been away from the game for a few days and hadn't had a better place in mind to stash it, as I said in the block you quoted.Korts wrote:Kison wrote:Vote: Zaziertemporary placeholder while I find a better home for my vote. Zazier, where art thou?
What's the reasoning behind this vote?
The reason I chose to place my vote on Zazier is that at the time of that post, I specifically recall thinking to myself that she was the player from whom I'd seen a severe lack of content(she had made a grand total of two posts, both of which didn't address anything in a very serious manner). Therefore, instead of leaving my vote idle, I chose to place it on her in hopes of pulling her from whatever hole she had crawled under, hence the 'where are you?' comment.Korts wrote:That much was clear. But what purpose did it serve in your opinion if it was admittedly temporary and in no way expressive of an intent to lynch or pressure?Kison wrote:I had been away from the game for a few days and hadn't had a better place in mind to stash it, as I said in the block you quoted.
'Can be' and 'is' do not hold the same meaning. Why did you assume that curiouskarmadog playing differently indicated he was scum as opposed town?Yosarian2 wrote:Vollkan wrote:And then we get to your reasons for suspecting CKD:
yos wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:Anyway, CKD's behavior this game has seemed really unusual; both in general, and compared to when I have played with him before. (I don't have much of a meta on him, having not played with him all that many times I think, but his behavior in this game really seems different).
This is entirely vague and doesn't even suggest he is scummy - unless changes in people's playstyle are inherently scummy.
I'm doing my best to explain my impressions here. Whatver the page count says, we're still pretty early in day 1 here. Besides, yes, a radical departure from someone's normal playstyle can be a scumtell.
Yosarian2 wrote:What you did instead (Drop your suspicion on him completly, move your vote to a different wagon, and begin to strongly defend him and attack everyone else on his wagon) is quite confusing if you really are a townie who previously thought he was suspicious looking, unless A. you thought there was new evidence pointing to him being town, or B. you never actually wanted to lynch him in the first place, you just wanted it to look like you did.
This post does not suggest to me that destructor dropped his suspicion of Curiouskarmadog. It seems very clear to me he did not want to rush into the lynch, and instead moved his vote.destructor wrote:Hmm.
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Vote: Korts
ckd, I still want to see you responding to the posts I mentioned.
This is ridiculous. By having you put your suspicions into words, you're pinpointing what caused you to cast your vote. The alternative would be giving you a free pass every time you wanted to vote someone without giving any specific reason where you use your 'gut' as a freebie card. So if the reasons you produce are faulty and you are attacked for it, those attackers are doing something counter productive? This does not make sense to me.Yosarian2 wrote:I was pointing out that Volkan's actions were desturctive and anti-town, in that if you punish someone for trying to explain why he is suspicious of someone, then they're more likely to just say "gut", and that that is clearly less useful to the town.
I have answered this question a couple of times already, but the most detailed explanation is probably in post 399. What do you think of it?populartajo wrote:Kison, why dont you like CKD's wagon?
DrippingGoofball wrote:Kison is scum. Mark my words. He's squirming. He's pledging to lurk ahead of time so that we don't jump on him for lurking. How scummy is that?
What he said.curiouskarmadog wrote:what the fuck????
Well, if he's been keeping his pro town read, do you find it odd that he expresses desire to hammer?Korts wrote:BM's reluctance is strange considering he expresses his desire to hammer, but he did keep the pro-town read on CKD pretty much all the way through.
Sorry. Vodka.Battle Mage wrote:Kison is talking alot of sense and is probably protown. But i dont understand how he can go from such shite grammar to satisfactory posting so quickly.
BM
Shit. You got me.DrippingScumBall wrote:CKD has more flashing scum marquees than Vegas has casinos. Only scum would defend him.
I agree.Adel wrote:the part of the deep south format I'm really attracted to, other than not getting stalled out on night phases, is how an unexpected kill in the middle of the game shakes things up.
*raises hand*Adel wrote: I'll send pm invite/reminders to any of you that are interested in playing again
Curious, have you ever played with destructor before?Elmo wrote:I am, FWIW, still totally at a loss to verbalise what Des did that was obvtown, and virtually all the time when I pick up a towntell, I can't say what it was, I just sorta know it when I see it.