Datisi's Café [game over!]

[jjh927]

I want to do SS but I also want to give other people the opportunity to do any mech shit

[jjh927]

SS has been involved in the major discussions but has totally fencesat when it came to voting and actually moving momentum around

whereas you and Dannflor were both pretty important in the move to Malakittens in the last day phase, and that's just that day


The pool should absolutely be us 4, at any rate

[jjh927]

I won't be acting, but I think it's very important that Fire and Penguin have different targets. If Penguin is definitely targeting in me/Furtive, then Fire should target Dannflor.

[jjh927]

Still kinda hopeful the game will just end though

[jjh927]

Yoooo guess we're third party hunting now

Klick, Uncrowned, and Andre are still confirmed on the basis that the third party is surely capable of making kills and so Klick's confirmed role, Uncrowned's conftown status, and Andre being tracked nowhere on a night where logically the 3p must have made a kill all hold up.

[jjh927]

No, it's you or Dannflor

[jjh927]

How did Fire get the 'positive result' on Uncrowned? Was that just a lucky guess?

[jjh927]

Ah, Titus had two nights alive so probably rolecopped. Checks out

[jjh927]

Let's not rush

I asked Datisi about the possibility of a role that was effectively gated by the productivity average- eg a mafia roleblocker that only worked between 50-75%, or a third party that could only kill in 80-90% range, or things of that nature.


One of the night phases had only one kill. I think the night Lukewarm died is the best mechanical lead we have here.


High risk strategy for obvious reasons so I don't want to seriously propose this yet- tank the productivity to 0% because a hypothetical serial killer gated in that way would surely not act in a night that scum could have 4 kills.

[jjh927]

If Dann was a 5th mafia and not town or 3p then Fire would not be dead and would have cleared him

We are looking for a 3p, not a 5th mafia member

[jjh927]

Yeah, gotta completely switch tactics. Another reason I don't want to rush.

In a word, I'll personally be looking for oppprtunism

[jjh927]

I'm not pretending to be

[jjh927]

Is it because you're worried about the opportunism you have displayed in this game

[jjh927]

You've pretty visibly been the most survivalistic but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt until a full review because circumstances have given you the most reason to be

[jjh927]

I hear the voices of my ancestors...they call to me. I'm close now.

I want to clear up a few things.

I think Mastina is a good player. I never said they were bad, just that their reads haven't hit mafia since D1. And I'm not mafia either. But they are playing well just by virtue of being obvtown.

I can see that I'm going to be voted out shortly. That's ok. My claim won't really change anything, you can ask for one before hammering if you want to.

I'm not satisfied with how I played this game. I don't mean my reads. I supported 1/2 votes on mafia, and opposed 1/1 vote on town. I mean my interactions with other players, especially town that I scumread. I should have been more diplomatic. I'm starting to see survivalism as a useful trait for both alignments, not just mafia. I know other players think I've refused to engage with them, and I regret that more than anything.

My final guess for mafia is [Malakittens, Uncrowned]. I think these slots will both get voted out long before ELO scenarios. I think town will win this game.

Pagetopping this because I'm so important:

Please don't kill me I'm way too young. I still have so much more to give. I am just now getting into my stride. I am extremely desperate. I am willing to transfer you Furtcoin.

no you stole my pagetop

I get that I'm in the middle of everyone's poe. I'll try to rectify this. Don't hammer me before I wake up (about 7 hours time).

The pain. It hurts. Just make it quick. I'll look for another job I guess.

I don't even know if I'm voting correctly. But I can assure people I'm neither mafia nor the mysterious third party meddler.

Can we do S_S instead?

SS has been involved in the major discussions but has totally fencesat when it came to voting and actually moving momentum around

whereas you and Dannflor were both pretty important in the move to Malakittens in the last day phase, and that's just that day


The pool should absolutely be us 4, at any rate

I'm fine to be in the pool. It's just that I feel more worthy of survival than certain others *ahem*

tHeN wE dIsAgReE aBoUt SuRvIvAlIsTiC aS a WoRd

[jjh927]

Looking back at 3001 in particular, "You can ask for my claim before hammering" kinda indicates the purpose of that post was to continue to survive. Why wasn't the VT claim made there and then? Not claiming right there indicates the intention to survive beyond making that post, which kinda invalidates the whole resigned to death vibe it was going for

[jjh927]

So why didn't you

[jjh927]

What was the decision making process like for you when writing that post when you decided not to be explicit about it in a post you supposedly made resigned to death

[jjh927]

I mean, optimally the 3p here should have killed in Uncrowned/Klick/Andres, because they were all guaranteed to be town. Fire and Penguin were both not actually clear- just off the block for last day phase. They would have been lim options in this day phase and beyond if they were alive.

[jjh927]

VOTE: Furtive

[jjh927]

I want a pay rise or I quit

[jjh927]

Who would you have 'cleared'?


Also, yeah- potential for thinga getting interesting at the end is EXACTLY why I omitted a very key line from my 'fullclaim'

[jjh927]

I was so ready to go completely insane in xylo

[jjh927]

If you'd have claimed blocked then I would have been actively calling for your elimination because as we had already established, multitasking was not possible.

If you'd have guiltied Dannflor, I think Furtive might have won because of the bulletproof and the specifics of the wincon

[jjh927]

...although, from my perspective, if you guiltied Dannflor or Furtive, optimal play from my POV would be to try to eliminate the other one

It is kinda telling that my approach to your claims all game assumed that you wouldn't take the absolute fuckton of risks that you took for no reason

[jjh927]

But yeah, if you'd have got me and my unclaimed PGO into a kingmaker scenario I would have been having the time of my life

[jjh927]

You gave me a PGO
I can very frequently tell which night I am going to die

I am out of practice with mafia in general so my active game was weak and I coasted off of gut- which doesn't get me killed

So I had no reason to use any abilities. . . but I absolutely would have done in a dumbass scenario like 3p kingmaker with mafia and third party