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[Firebringer]

Grib I gotta ask tho
U say Shea is a scumread but ur tone and way u interact doesn’t read like u actually scumread
R u low confidence in it or intentionally treating him like this

[Thestatusquo]

He doesn't actually scum read anyone.

[Grib]

Personally, I think TSQ's read on me is scum-motivated in that he wants me to be a viable elim option and is working backwards from that premise, rather than taking my whole body of work and concluding that I'm on the scumteam. The angle he's pushing is how I've always played, and honestly is probably a fantastic articulation of why I used to get miselimmed a lot when I first started playing.

[Grib]

Grib I gotta ask tho
U say Shea is a scumread but ur tone and way u interact doesn’t read like u actually scumread
R u low confidence in it or intentionally treating him like this

Low confidence, want to keep an open mind because I hate being wrong + tunneling.

I don't see the point in like, treating scumreads as confirmed scum and not engaging with them in good faith, or whatever it is you think I should be doing. I think that just opens up a path to pages of argumentative wallposts.

[Firebringer]

U don’t have to treat them as confirmed scum
But like it looks like ur simultaneously trying to convince Shea he is wrong while calling him scum
Like u don’t see me doing that with Aisa or my scumreads yet I can still engage with her and talk to her at least in my opinion in good faith

[Grib]

Sure. That's just a difference in playstyle.

I suspect that he's scum, but on the chance that I'm wrong, I think these interactions are still valuable. He's scumreading me for the way I play, and I'm trying to understand if he really feels that way or if it's just an angle of attack for him. If he's a villager and this is all an honest to god scumread, then that's problematic because I'm going to keep playing this way. Don't really know how to navigate that world other than maybe playing around each other until flips/roles shed more light on the both of us.

[Elements]

VOTE: BBT

[Grib]

Maybe everyone would be happier if I started playing more like Elements.

[Firebringer]

Ur fine playing how u want but I don’t think u react to pressure well my friendo

[Grib]

Yeah, well. such is life.

[Firebringer]

If we aren’t limming aisa because everyone is like she town for reasons I don’t have time right now to like argue or even fully digest
I just ask we don’t lim townreads
Or do I don’t know I’m not gonna vote them tho

Can’t we lim HPE as compromise

[Firebringer]

My phone keeps logging me out
So annoying

Okay was saying we can also do frog but if frog flips town I feel it would be kind of waste?
Frog scum probably has all his Allie’s easily identifiable in his iso once we analyze it

[Thestatusquo]

I'm not limming hpe

[Thestatusquo]

I don't want to touch frog yet either. Not because i town read him, because i don't, but because i feel like town is better off waiting.

[Firebringer]

Then I guess we at stand still

[HighPrincessErinys]

And maybe I'm misrepping what HPE said. I took it as saying that the slot would not change its mind on BBT no matter what BBT said, but maybe the nuance was something completely different and I just didn't read it that way.

I just think that openly stating you aren't going to change your mind on something benefits scum more than town. Town benefits from changing its mind, otherwise we're all confbiasing and tunneling.

Well that's what happens when you take things at face value. Of course it's not going to stubbornly refuse ALL arguments, it's just already seen alot of BBT's defenses from his bouts with TSQ and it is currently decently confident in it's position. If he suddenly has BIG information to share, or an extremely solid defense, then that'll probably change it's mind. But as it stands, it still scumreads em.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VC 1.16

With 13 players, it takes 7 to make a decision. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-18 11:30:00).

VC

Solway Firth [5]:

Frogsterking [595], Aisa [735], Grib [789], BlueBloodedToffee [843], HighPrincessErinys [844]

BlueBloodedToffee [4]:

Eiralox [713], Solway Firth [733], Thestatusquo [888], Elements [931]

Aisa [3]:

Firebringer [80], Enchant [721], Not_Mafia [813]

HighPrincessErinys [1]:

Bellaphant [716]

Not voting [0]:

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[Not_Mafia]

Never stop reaching

[Elements]

yo nm, vote bbt

[Solway Firth]

Huh okay I’m the top wagon for some reason

I can’t fully catchy up now but I can in 11 hours

[Solway Firth]

Solway. I've written a whole case about him and his responses since don't make me feel like changing my mind, really. To me they feel consistent with scum who just thinks they're caught and is making a token last attempt at explaining a contradiction away.

Where is the contradiction? You’re saying that I am scum for sheeping a read that my top scumread made. I have explained in detail several times my thought process behind it. Instead, you just write off my explanation as ‘scum knowing they’re caught and flailing’ without bothering to properly engage my explanation.

ONCE AGAIN:
I could not give a flying fuck whether BBT is a third party Martian Serial Killer Jester Paranoid Gun Owner. I will still sheep his read on Bella, because his read on Bella only comes from someone putting out a genuine case, whether they are town or scum.

[Solway Firth]

[whether BBT is scum, to be clear]

[Solway Firth]

Think Solway is clearly a good elim here. As we approach deadline his last five posts have all been nothingburgers about why he's taking BBT's Bella read at face-value. No idea where he stands on the rest of the game aside from his one readslist. No idea of his opinions on anything that's happened in the last handful of pages. All of the people he's scumleaning (or was scumleaning, if his reads are the same since he posted them) are on his wagon, so I would expect him to rethink what a realistic scumteam would look like here. But he's probably just going to vote Aisa because scumlean + self-preservation.

I am being pushed because I am taking BBT’s read of Bella at face value. Therefore, I am explaining exactly why I did that. As for not commenting much on recent events, for most of yesterday I wasn’t able to post at all. There’s also that the push on me is occupying a lot of my in-game mental energy. As for rethinking what a realistic scum team looks like, I fully expect that most of my scum leans will be incorrect. I don’t like thinking about the big picture scumteam before a scum flip.

As for the whole self-preservation thing, if when I log on tomorrow morning and I’m at E-1 I will claim. If I am a viable wagon but not in immediate danger of being limmed I’ll vote Aisa.

[Frogsterking]

Maybe everyone would be happier if I started playing more like Elements.

No.

[Frogsterking]

Both wagons reek.

Nah, Solway is more likely scum than Aisa IMO.