Night Watch Open 95 - Game Over before 703

[Jex]

Vote Count

1 - The Central Scrutinizer (icemanE)
1 - Crazy (Xtoxm)
1 - bionicchop2 (orangepenguin)
1- oreangepenguin (The Central Scrutinizer)
1 - camn (afatchic)
1 - icemanE (bionicchop2)

Not Voting

Crazy, ortolan, Panda Stomper 85, camn, StrangerCoug

It takes 6 votes to lynch

[StrangerCoug]

I said speculating about the roles (I don't see why this is surprising at all, we're in an open setup so it seems quite an obvious path) could lead to good outcomes (as, I would argue, it has in this case). Alternatively, I have to acknowledge, it might *potentially* have led to someone slipping up and outing their role inadvertently. But that's like most tactics in this game- they can serve your purposes, or they can backfire. Of course, in this case, it didn't, so we've got a good outcome and seemingly no negatives (so what's the problem?...).

I kind of understand your point here. It's an open setup, so to outguess the mod we'd have to guess who has the role, but role speculation does have the danger of someone slipping up and giving away their role. For example, it's my fault for making it obvious that I'm not the hider. Is it scummy that I made such obvious? That can be debated. The problem I see with your acknowledgement of the danger is that I get a slight rolefishing vibe from it.

[ortolan]

You get a rolefishing vibe from me acknowledging the danger? Or you get a rolefishing vibe from me discussing the setup in the first place?

Anyhow, you needn't worry, I didn't get any information about roles from the discussion anyway if that's what you were worried about

[StrangerCoug]

From acknowledging the danger.

[ortolan]

How does acknowledging there's some potential danger of people revealing their roles reek of rolefishing in itself? That makes no sense to me.

[StrangerCoug]

I'll be damned if I know, but something's rotten in the state of

Denmark

my mind reading that.

[camn]

Look, Ort.. it was scummy.. but not THAT scummy.
however..Your intense, desperate defense is almost MORE scummy.

No one is even voting you, but you are freaking out about every little thing. It's wild, man. Wild.

I'm glad you are done trying to figure out what the PRs should be doing, though

[ortolan]

On the contrary, I would argue me asking people to explain their suspicions towards me when I am in no immediate danger of being lynched is good play- I think they should back up what they say if they're trying to plant the idea I might be scummy.

[orangepenguin]

I think they're saving you for later, IMO. Getting the idea that you're scummy out there, so they can set up a lynch on you later, assuming you're town and they are scum. If they aren't scum, then I don't think they're doing that, but just my interpretation.

[ortolan]

Yes, that's what I was implying, if they can subtly lay suspicion at my feet today and get a townie lynched today then tomorrow they can say "oh look @ ortolan he's played scummy all game" and refer back to their meritless earlier posts

[camn]

Why would you simply "Imply" such a thing if it is your position that "explaining your position" is good play?

[ortolan]

Well, say "strongly implied" then

[camn]

and.. sorry for the double...

Ort.. by "they" who exactly do you mean?
I hope you don't mean me.. because I feel I have explained my suspicions pretty thoroughly. Let me know if you are still confused.. . because I don't feel like I am being "subtle".

But.. if you AREN'T referring to me.. do you mean StrangerCoug? That's just one person.. not a "they".

So.. who is "they"?

[ortolan]

I just mean in general people scum can try to spread distrust around and lay the groundwork for a future lynch by launching pseudo-cases against you using FoS etc. and then later in the game try to refer back to them to pursue a lynch. I am saying by questioning these sorts of votes when they happen, even if one is not in direct danger it forces people to explain their reasoning so this sort of thing is harder for scum to do.

[orangepenguin]

There's a term for that in the wiki some place. Forgot what it's called. But it has something to do with spreading a lie enough that people start to believe that it is true.

[ortolan]

awesome. Nice to know the approach has been trodden before by the great mafia players of old.

[StrangerCoug]

There's a term for that in the wiki some place. Forgot what it's called. But it has something to do with spreading a lie enough that people start to believe that it is true.

Argumentum ad nauseam

?

[bionicchop2]

Looks like we are still waiting on Panda stomper to finish out the hypoclaim.

I agree that ortolan's first few posts about the roles were a little role fishy upon first read. I would say it is worth note, but definitely not worth getting distracted by. Both sides have made their point about it and everybody can form their own opinions.

I would need to see other scummy actions before calling him scum for it, since scum are generally cautious about saying anything that sounds like role fishing (not to say they won't).

[camn]

Agreed.

[camn]

PS..

I'll be out-of-range of computers until sunday.

thank you.

[Jex]

Due to lack of posting, I'm implementing a deadline for November 28th.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I think that the fact that panda stomper waited to go last is as good a reason as any to vote him. Between him and orangepenguin I think we have about a 50% chance of lynching scum.

unvote, vote: Panda Stomper 85

[afatchic]

I think that the fact that panda stomper waited to go last is as good a reason as any to vote him. Between him and orangepenguin I think we have about a 50% chance of lynching scum.

unvote, vote: Panda Stomper 85

care to explain how you are so sure that one of these two is mafia after only 6 pages, most of which is useless talk. i would also be interested in what makes going last scummy, while he may have intentionally done it, he may just not have been on lately.

[StrangerCoug]

I think that the fact that panda stomper waited to go last is as good a reason as any to vote him. Between him and orangepenguin I think we have about a 50% chance of lynching scum.

Umm, what? One, being the last person to claim is not scummy; two, this doesn't take into account him falling off the face of this site (have you checked if he's active in any other games before making that statement?); and three, where the hell are you getting the 50%?

Vote: The Central Scrutinizer

for craplogic.

[afatchic]

Since nothing is happening, so i think we need some sort of a wagon to get things rolling, and because i really think he is scum...

UNVOTE, VOTE The Central Scrutinizer