Mini 681 - Mish Mash Mafia - THE END!

[Max]

Yes, but if everyone does it there would be a deadlock

[RestFermata]

Vote: Caboose

I feel strongly that Caboose is town, especially from what I saw of him D1. I'm pretty confident that his ideas have been genuine.

[Caboose]

I'd assume a normal majority.

Vote: Sekinj

Reasons would be really nice.

@LH and RF: Why do you think sekinj and I are pro-town?

[lord_hur]

@LH and RF: Why do you think sekinj and I are pro-town?

Simply because I remember liking your and sekinj's interventions in day 1, who seemed genuine to me in their intention of helping town.

And about day 2, everyone either voted for Empking or just protected themselves. There was no real discussion as we all went for him, so I feel like scum could have safely stayed away from the voting. Day 2 thus gave very little info in my opinion.

So I chose to trust my conclusions in day 1, in which we were much more active.

If I had to vote to lynch someone, it would not be one of you two. Thus I'm willing to get you two out of the equation.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm the same with sekinj. Not much from Day 2, because Empking basically self-destructed, but I don't think I've seen sekinj do anything other than play extremely town so far this game.

[sekinj]

Thanks guys I agree with the Caboose theory and of course with the opinions of me. I think Caboose has had good input, and I still don't like the D1 attacks against him.

Vote: Caboose

[MafiaSSK]

Thanks guys I agree with the Caboose theory and of course with the opinions of me. I think Caboose has had good input, and I still don't like the D1 attacks against him.

Vote: Caboose

Seems like your bussing your buddy there. Doesn't seem like normal town apprecianting.

[Caboose]

Thanks guys I agree with the Caboose theory and of course with the opinions of me. I think Caboose has had good input, and I still don't like the D1 attacks against him.

Vote: Caboose

Seems like your bussing your buddy there. Doesn't seem like normal town apprecianting.

I want some substantiation behind this accusation.

[sekinj]

Thanks guys I agree with the Caboose theory and of course with the opinions of me. I think Caboose has had good input, and I still don't like the D1 attacks against him.

Vote: Caboose

Seems like your bussing your buddy there. Doesn't seem like normal town apprecianting.

I'm bussing? when we are voting for the most PRO-TOWN???

[Caboose]

Thanks guys I agree with the Caboose theory and of course with the opinions of me. I think Caboose has had good input, and I still don't like the D1 attacks against him.

Vote: Caboose

Seems like your bussing your buddy there. Doesn't seem like normal town apprecianting.

I'm bussing? when we are voting for the most PRO-TOWN???

I think he just accused us of being scumbuddies, sekinj. Nothing makes me more angry than someone coming in and making a baseless, crap attack on me, though. I find it to be extremely scummy that SSK is doing that.

Also, what is "apprecianting"?

[sekinj]

Since he has been one of the scummiest players... maybe that just about clears both of us...

[lord_hur]

Since he has been one of the scummiest players... maybe that just about clears both of us...

Not in my eyes. Even if he's scum, he could be bussing too.

I'd like MafiaSSK to expand on his accusation too. I guess every message in favor of another player could be seen as mafia helping each other, but I didn't see this message as especially suspicious. Well, except that sekinj is again following my vote, and last time it lead to a mislynch... Can't really blame him, since I still think my points were valid and he has a brain too, but still...

[sekinj]

@LH - dont' be ridiculous. I'm not following anyone. We all obviously have to agree in order to declare someone safe. My vote has nothing to do with yours.

[RestFermata]

I believe that Caboose is town because he was the first to come up with a plan that involved town participation D1. He definitely got under fire for it from KoC, but I thought it was a pro-town plan:

We each pick a person that we would kill if elected executioner. Once we have everyone covered (everyone's got somebody that would kill them), then we play like a regular mafia game. Instead of voting for the person we want to lynch, we vote for the executioner who would kill that person.

sekinj's plan wasn't actually that different in effect, even though the process was different. But I am voting Caboose because he was the

first

to take the initiative to come up with a plan. That makes him look town in my eyes, and he hasn't done anything to convince me otherwise. His contributions have all made sense and seemed genuine. I agree with his attack on MafiaSSK (I haven't said much about who I find scummy, if anything, but that is a bad habit of mine and I'll try to discuss it more from now on) and I didn't find his attack on Empking to be scummy.

[lord_hur]

@LH - dont' be ridiculous. I'm not following anyone. We all obviously have to agree in order to declare someone safe. My vote has nothing to do with yours.

Ridiculous ? I'm not so sure. Day 2, when I saw the attacks piling up upon my own, I had the distinct feeling that such a consensus could not have been reached without a couple scum participating. Since there was the possibily of scum bussing, I didn't change my attacks (plus it wouldn't have changed a thing concerning the outcome), but allow me to be cautious about votes following the same pattern today.

Also, please avoid using empty and unverifiable affirmations like this, it brings nothing to the discussion :

My vote has nothing to do with yours.

There is no way I can be sure that your vote wasn't cast because of mine.

[ShadowGirl]

Will post when I get home from school.

[MafiaSSK]

Since he has been one of the scummiest players... maybe that just about clears both of us...

Not in my eyes. Even if he's scum, he could be bussing too.

I'd like MafiaSSK to expand on his accusation too. I guess every message in favor of another player could be seen as mafia helping each other, but I didn't see this message as especially suspicious. Well, except that sekinj is again following my vote, and last time it lead to a mislynch... Can't really blame him, since I still think my points were valid and he has a brain too, but still...

Not much else besides vibes really.

[lord_hur]

Will post when I get home from school.

Looking forward to it. Your low participation makes it very had for me to assess you, and it makes you look like scum hanging back and waiting.I'd be grateful if you were a bit more offensive.

hmmm.... I think this is much harder than regular lynching.

Can you develop on this, sekinj ? It looks like nearly-standard voting with 6 mini-days to me, which is much in favor of town in my opinion.

[sekinj]

@LH: If you have a case on me, please make it instead of just nit-picking at my wording.

You say that I can't make statements about the motive of my vote because that is unverifiable, yet we are supposed to trust the

feelings

that you are professing to have?? Pot, meet kettle.

and Yes, I believe it is much harder to go through and say one by one that each person is town, rather than just pick one player who is acting scummy. For example: I'm going to have a very hard time voting you as town because these flailing attacks seem to be cast out in all directions and have no point or focus. I'd like to see you take a stand on something.

[Caboose]

Since he has been one of the scummiest players... maybe that just about clears both of us...

Not in my eyes. Even if he's scum, he could be bussing too.

I'd like MafiaSSK to expand on his accusation too. I guess every message in favor of another player could be seen as mafia helping each other, but I didn't see this message as especially suspicious. Well, except that sekinj is again following my vote, and last time it lead to a mislynch... Can't really blame him, since I still think my points were valid and he has a brain too, but still...

Not much else besides vibes really.

Seriously? You need more than vibes to put forth a good accusation of sekinj and I. How about something from posts?

[lord_hur]

@LH: If you have a case on me, please make it instead of just nit-picking at my wording.

I don't have anything against you for now except that voting right after me too times in a row, which might very well be a coincidence.

You say that I can't make statements about the motive of my vote because that is unverifiable, yet we are supposed to trust the

feelings

that you are professing to have?? Pot, meet kettle.

I could answer to this, but it would be pointless for the discussion.

and Yes, I believe it is much harder to go through and say one by one that each person is town, rather than just pick one player who is acting scummy. For example: I'm going to have a very hard time voting you as town because these flailing attacks seem to be cast out in all directions and have no point or focus. I'd like to see you take a stand on something.

You know, you don't *have* to vote for me. Vote for me, or don't. Though you'll have to tell me how attacking in all directions is scummy. On the contrary, only scum know on whom to focus their attacks. I guess town could legitimately follow his guts and attack only one person to bring him down, but not in LyLo (in my opinion anyway). Scumhunting is still our best bet (something people kinda forgot with these mini-games, and I'm especially talking about day 2).

Also, I'm taking a stand, even have been the first to vote, but I'm not willing to accept anyone as guaranteed town, because I've made that mistake before, and that cost me victory.

There's one thing I'm sure about : passive play never helped to find scum. Pardon me if I play agressively in LyLo.

[lord_hur]

Not much else besides vibes really.

Damn it MafiaSSK, your posts are so empty that I'll have to resort to metagaming, and god knows I hate that.

Could you be a little more active, maybe do a bit of reasoning ?

[Knight of Cydonia]

MafiaSSK is a proven major lurker, whether town or scum.
I suggest from now on we D1 lynch him in every game until he starts playing properly.

[lord_hur]

MafiaSSK is a proven major lurker, whether town or scum.
I suggest from now on we D1 lynch him in every game until he starts playing properly.

Hmm you're right, this guy is a one-liner artist :/

I must say I also support this proposition. But it doesn't help right now as we're in LyLo, and I'm at a loss as to how to get hints about his scumminess.

[MafiaSSK]

Since he has been one of the scummiest players... maybe that just about clears both of us...

Not in my eyes. Even if he's scum, he could be bussing too.

I'd like MafiaSSK to expand on his accusation too. I guess every message in favor of another player could be seen as mafia helping each other, but I didn't see this message as especially suspicious. Well, except that sekinj is again following my vote, and last time it lead to a mislynch... Can't really blame him, since I still think my points were valid and he has a brain too, but still...

Not much else besides vibes really.

Seriously? You need more than vibes to put forth a good accusation of sekinj and I. How about something from posts?

Should I underline the part of the post where I got it from? Would that be considrered proof?