Because I don't have any better candidates in mind and this is only the first or second game I've played with a hider role. Apologies for not being familiar with the role.afatchic wrote:strangerCoug can you please explain to me why a hider would hide behind the same person two nights in a row? i don't really understand this idea, just seems that all you are worried about is self preservation.
You just accused me of being worried about self-preservation, yet you want to hide behind me. I don't get it.afatchic wrote:I hid behind icemanE last night and will hide behind SC tonight.
This is the first game i have played with a hider, so i really don't have any idea about it, which is why i am asking questions. and yeah i just said i would hide behind you as a random since you was right above me, only the actual hider has to worry about making a decent guess at who to hide behind.StrangerCoug wrote:Because I don't have any better candidates in mind and this is only the first or second game I've played with a hider role. Apologies for not being familiar with the role.afatchic wrote:strangerCoug can you please explain to me why a hider would hide behind the same person two nights in a row? i don't really understand this idea, just seems that all you are worried about is self preservation.
You just accused me of being worried about self-preservation, yet you want to hide behind me. I don't get it.afatchic wrote:I hid behind icemanE last night and will hide behind SC tonight.
hypoclaim night 1 wrote: bionicchop2--->camn
camn---------->Bionic
TCS------------->Crazy
StrangerCoug--->orangepenguin
afatchic--------->icemanE
orangepenguin-->Xtoxm
hypoclaim night 2 wrote: bionicchop2---->Xtoxm
camn------------>afatchic
TCS------------->Panda Stomper 85
StrangerCoug--->orangepenguin
afatchic--------->StrangerCoug
orangepenguin-->ortolan
if the person he says he will hide behind and the hider both die, then its most likely a double kill. if a random person dies, plus the hider, then he hid behind a scum.Xtoxm wrote:Want to find scum? That's a .. different approach.
Hang on a minute...I don't get how it works.
It could be scum causing hider death...But couldn't it equally be killing of innocent he hid behind?
yeah i agree actually. i think i messed up earlier saying their job is too find scum. i would actually think it would be better for them to clear about 3 or 4 people, then find a scum. but it all works i guess.Xtoxm wrote:Hmm..I think it works, actually. Though it's prob better for hider to stay alive with multiple town cleared.
N1 - Camn
N2 - Ice
Please back up the assertion that discussing the setup (especially in an _open_ setup game) is a scum-tell. All that my discussion of the setup has lead to so far is the hypoclaim plan, which everyone agrees will benefit town.camn wrote:
Oh, and Ortolan is back with a FURY!
I know bionic quoted it for you.. but it is true. The Hider operates as usual.
And at this point I don'tparticularlythink you are scum. I just think you make bad decisions. But you COULD be newbie-scum just as well as newbie-town. . so don't try and weasel around it that way
Excessive Worrying about setup is a common scum-tell IMO..... that is all.
afatchic wrote:camn how do i make the list and i will do it myself, just don't have any idea how to.
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[/quote]hypoclaim n1 wrote: bionicchop2--->camn
camn---------->Bionic
TCS------------->Crazy
StrangerCoug--->orangepenguin
afatchic--------->icemanE
orangepenguin-->Xtoxm
Xtoxm------------>camn
icemanE------->afatchic
Crazy-------->Panda Stomper 85
ortolan-------->Bionic
Did I miss Panda Stomper's claim?hypoclaim n2 wrote: bionicchop2---->Xtoxm
camn------------>afatchic
TCS------------->Panda Stomper 85
StrangerCoug--->orangepenguin
afatchic--------->StrangerCoug
orangepenguin-->ortolan
Xtoxm--------->icemanE
icemanE----->StrangerCoug
Crazy--------->TCS
ortolan--------->camn
You're welcome to your opinions but I would expect them to have some basis, especially when you announce them to the town. There's no benefit to just giving your "instincts" to the town without justification, it's just like saying "I find him scummy" without offering any reasoning to back up the claim, it's only counter-productive for town.camn wrote:Make your own list.
And it's not an assertion, its an opinion. That's what IMO means.
I will write it out for you next time.
Well maybe you did have decent reasons for suspecting me for discussing the setup, but did not make them explicit. In response to your points: if I was mafia, would I come up with such an obvious scheme to try to glean who the hider is? I personally would give myself more credit. But yes, I do take your point that it may possibly make people more likely to slip up and reveal their role. Thankfully that has not happened in this case and it has instead led to a constructive hypoclaiming scheme.camn wrote:It comes from the idea that there is nothing pro-town about figuring out who the power roles are on Day 1.. because then they end up dead. But the scum shure would like to know who they are.
And excessive discussion about setup often leads to somebody slipping up and hinting as to their role. It gives the scum info. And with very little benefit to us. But that's just often, not always.
But I admit.. this claiming thing is interesting. I usually play straight.. but this is fun, too.
I don't give you more credit. Why would I?ortolan wrote:In response to your points: if I was mafia, would I come up with such an obvious scheme to try to glean who the hider is? I personally would give myself more credit.
Wait...you just totally misrepresented what I said. I said speculating about the roles (I don't see why this is surprising at all, we're in an open setup so it seems quite an obvious path) could lead to good outcomes (as, I would argue, it has in this case). Alternatively, I have to acknowledge, it might *potentially* have led to someone slipping up and outing their role inadvertently. But that's like most tactics in this game- they can serve your purposes, or they can backfire. Of course, in this case, it didn't, so we've got a good outcome and seemingly no negatives (so what's the problem?...).camn wrote:I don't give you more credit. Why would I?ortolan wrote:In response to your points: if I was mafia, would I come up with such an obvious scheme to try to glean who the hider is? I personally would give myself more credit.
You insist, even now, that speculating on roles is a pro-town move.
Yet, in the same breath, you agree that it is hazardous.
The only reason I "did not make it explicit" is because, in 75% of games I have played here.. you would have been lynched already. I'm not the crazy one here.
So.. which is is? Is my point valid.. or is it not? That is a serious question.
A rhetorical one: Are you seriously using "I give myself more credit" as a defense for acting scummy?
I, sir, have spent the last few years building up an immunity to iocane powder........