Choose Carefully Mafia: (Game Over)

[bird1111]

Vote Count:
oEJo (6): CarnCarn, Moses le fou, ZazieR, Empking, hp [leaves], ribwich
Save the Dragons (1): Riceballtail
Battle Mage (1): SocioPath

Not voting (8): PutaPuta, armlx, oEJo, Save the Dragon, ZTR, hp [leaves], Sineish, Battle Mage

With 15 alive it is 8 to lynch.

Lynch Method Vote Count:
Rope (9): Save the Dragons, Empking, Moses le fou, ZazieR, ZTR, CarnCarn, hp [leaves], ribwich, armlx
Gun (5): oEJo, SocioPath, Sineish, Riceballtail, Battle Mage


Not voting for a lynch method (1): PutaPuta

If a lynch were to happen without any change in lynch method votes, the Rope would be used.

[ribwich]

It doesn't look like anyone else is actually agreeing with Battle Mage's plan, but if it actually gets used you can count on me abandoning this game. I'm not playing a game where people purposely break the rules to win. That ruins the entire fun of mafia.

[oEJo]

It doesn't look like anyone else is actually agreeing with Battle Mage's plan, but if it actually gets used you can count on me abandoning this game. I'm not playing a game where people purposely break the rules to win. That ruins the entire fun of mafia.

[Save The Dragons]

Damn. *eats slice of humble pie.*

I think you guys missed the post where the mod prevented that from actually happening.

Now that the mod has confirmed that Santos was town, I do agree that the fact that oEJo did not know this does make him scum.

It says in the role PM that the neighbor does not know the other person's alignment. The issue is whether oEJo has a different win condition in his role, since he missed it in Santos's.

They have to know the role of somebody too before their kill will count. With oEJo they know exactly what his role is.

...which increases the chances that anyone else the target will be town. Armed with the knowledge that if we keep a scum alive indefinitely, we'll have to take them out eventually, I think it's not a good idea to leave anyone alive if we think they're scum.

Oh, and...if BM wants to vote oEJo, he's going to have to lynch him.

Vote: oEJo

[armlx]

It doesn't look like anyone else is actually agreeing with Battle Mage's plan, but if it actually gets used you can count on me abandoning this game. I'm not playing a game where people purposely break the rules to win. That ruins the entire fun of mafia.

[ribwich]

It says in the role PM that the neighbor does not know the other person's alignment. The issue is whether oEJo has a different win condition in his role, since he missed it in Santos's.

That's what I meant, I just didn't word that correctly. If oEJo was town, he should have known Santos was too since the wording of the win condition should have been exact.

And yeah, I see now why leaving him alive would be a bad idea. I was overestimating how much the opposing scum teams would want to kill each other off.

[SocioPath]

Something else to look at is with the T-T / S1-T / S2-T theorhetical setups. The information gained with oEJo's death will help inform what the other pairings are.

[Moses le fou]

Is BM trying to play this like Stump Mafia?

BM: The problem is that if oEJo is town and gets himself modkilled, he WON'T BE TOWN ANYMORE. By "being protown" by posting his PM, he will forfeit his invested interest in wanting the town to win.

Furthermore, you're assuming that bird would continue to keep day running after the second modkill. There's nothing keeping him from ending day once he performs his second modkill.

And ribwich: we might as well try to lynch oEJo anyways. If the opposing mafia wants to kill him THAT badly, they could do so if the lynch fails due to improper weaponry.

[Battle Mage]

So you should be voting me now then, right BM?

Also, just FYI, even if the modkill didn't end the day, I wouldn't have posted my PM.

why?

and umm...why?

BM

[CarnCarn]

So you should be voting me now then, right BM?

Also, just FYI, even if the modkill didn't end the day, I wouldn't have posted my PM.

why?

and umm...why?

BM

It doesn't look like anyone else is actually agreeing with Battle Mage's plan, but if it actually gets used you can count on me abandoning this game. I'm not playing a game where people purposely break the rules to win. That ruins the entire fun of mafia.

[Battle Mage]

So you should be voting me now then, right BM?

Also, just FYI, even if the modkill didn't end the day, I wouldn't have posted my PM.

why?

and umm...why?

BM

It doesn't look like anyone else is actually agreeing with Battle Mage's plan, but if it actually gets used you can count on me abandoning this game. I'm not playing a game where people purposely break the rules to win. That ruins the entire fun of mafia.

That doesnt answer the first question. And ftr, it wasn't breaking the rules of Mafia. The whole point was, the Mod had allowed it. I dont feel like policy-lynching OeJo.

BM

[armlx]

That doesnt answer the first question. And ftr, it wasn't breaking the rules of Mafia. The whole point was, the Mod had allowed it. I dont feel like policy-lynching OeJo.

Again, read the reason Santos was mod killed in the first place.

Hint: It was for breaking the rules.

[Battle Mage]

That doesnt answer the first question. And ftr, it wasn't breaking the rules of Mafia. The whole point was, the Mod had allowed it. I dont feel like policy-lynching OeJo.

Again, read the reason Santos was mod killed in the first place.

Hint: It was for breaking the rules.

Using those modkills in order to help the town, however, was not a breach of the rules in it's own right.

BM

[hp [leaves]]

Well that blows.

Unfortunately it doesn't help me prove myself as town, unless we can possibly get an alignment with Santos' death?

CarnCarn, why was Santos 'definitely town'?

I'm no sociologist but I can definitely read through this.

[ZazieR]

So we can expect you to post your role PM if you're town if you're ever almost lynched, BM?

[Battle Mage]

So we can expect you to post your role PM if you're town if you're ever almost lynched, BM?

Yup. Well, had the Mod not changed the rules.

BM

[hp [leaves]]

FoS: BM

Desperate attempt to save scummate? Most likely.

[armlx]

Using those modkills in order to help the town, however, was not a breach of the rules in it's own right.

Fail. The actions used to cause said mods kills break the rules, hence the issue in the first place.

[Battle Mage]

FoS: BM

Desperate attempt to save scummate? Most likely.

Fail. If he was scum, he wouldnt have been able to quote his role. Duh.

BM

[hp [leaves]]

I'm talking about oEJo here who is 99,6% scum ._.

Also you deserve to get lynched/modkilled for suggesting breaking the game's rules.

[armlx]

Also you deserve to get lynched/modkilled for suggesting breaking the game's rules.

Thats an odd statement......

[hp [leaves]]

It doesn't look like anyone else is actually agreeing with Battle Mage's plan, but if it actually gets used you can count on me abandoning this game. I'm not playing a game where people purposely break the rules to win. That ruins the entire fun of mafia.

[armlx]

Right, but I don't see how that deserves anything other then a mod warning against gaming the rules.....

FOS HP

for implying BM should be lynched for his actions.

[Battle Mage]

I'm talking about oEJo here who is 99,6% scum ._.

Also you deserve to get lynched/modkilled for suggesting breaking the game's rules.

Needless to say i agree with Armlx regarding your second sentence. As far as the first goes, it's kind of irrelevant. If OeJo is scum, why would my behaviour be a defence of him, when, if he was my buddy, it'd be the final nail in the coffin?

BM

[armlx]

BTW, in case it wasn't clear, BM's behavior has been strongly pro-town with respect to this issue. However, pro-town != maintaining game integrity always, which is my issue.