Micro 1060: Radiology Mafia [Game Over]

[Radical Rat]

My definition of a naked pressure vote would be a vote with no stated reason, places with the intent to apply pressure.
My vote did have a reason: the weird self-conscious vibes from the RVS posts. I said I wanted pressure because I did. That doesn't mean the pressure was meaningless because the vote was still serious, and I didn't think that was unclear.

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #8

Aisa

(1): Ausuka (207)

Herta

(1): marcistar (18)

JohnnyFarrar

(1): MegAzumarill (177)

Juice

(2): Radical Rat (152), Herta (224)

marcistar

(1): Hiraki (20)

Not Voting

(3): JohnnyFarrar, Juice (178), Aisa (180)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to accuse a player of malpractice.

Deadlines

This phase will end on August 27, 2022 8:00 PM CDT (GMT-5:00) or in (expired on 2022-08-27 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

1: If you have regular weekend V/LA, you must either notify me each time or set V/LA tags each time.
2: Let me know if you spot any errors in the vote count or voting history. I am trying out a new tool for recording the voting history.
3: Let me know if you go by a different pronoun than listed.
4: JohnnyFarrar is V/LA until the end of Tuesday, August 16.

Pronoun Key

1. Ausuka : any / any / any
2. Aisa : she / her / her
3. MegAzumarill : any / any / any
4. Hiraki : he / him / his
5. Juice : xe / xem / xyrs
6. marcistar : unspecified / unspecified / unspecified
7. Radical Rat : they / them / theirs
8. Herta : unspecified / unspecified / unspecified
9. JohnnyFarrar : he / him / his

[Herta]

Juice is obvious at this point right. Let's just move on.

[Ausuka]

- You said the Juice push was really easy and then proceeded to vote xem yourself. In fact now that I reread it you had already sussed Juice at the time

This seems worth clarifying. My point wasn't that Juice is an easy push so only scum would push xem. Juice has been pretty blatantly scummy and I think almost everyone has expressed at least some level of suspicion there. My point was because Juice is limbait if town, it makes the hedgey sort-of-push look worse; because everyone is sus of xem it looks more like you're blending in to me.

[Ausuka]

Herta I'd like to hear about your current reads apart from juice?

[Herta]

Just the hiraki read.

[Juice]

Juice is obvious at this point right. Let's just move on.

obvious town? thanks

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Juice

[marcistar]

VOTE: Juice

no

[Aisa]

Where to now?

vote meg its a good vote i promise

I wonder what would happen if I asked you why. Shall we conduct this test?
..."Why?"

Spoiler: quote

Where to now?

I am still interested in Juice answering the questions asked of them. I think enough questions have been asked so I'm not going to add any to the pile.

I understand I need to take a wider look at other players in this game, I'll try to do that tomorrow.

Ausuka's frustration seems genuine to me, and Marci is blatantly trolling and egging them on.

Correct - this is the perceived motion. To me, town normally does not act in a behavior to cause so much disruption. Acting that way, then getting run up, only for someone (generally town) to then say "hey, this is kind of dumb" is a textbook scumplay to me. It gives them both independent town points while actually being on the same dependent team. It is not supposed to be SvS on first thought but behind the surface layer I think it becomes more probable than TvT. TvS is also probable but really dumb in the long run.

In the abstract sense, yes, clogging up a thread with nonsense that also separates the two partners is a potential scumstrat. In this particular case though I believe that Ausuka is just as frustrated as she presents herself to be, and that marci is feeding and encouraging that frustration on purpose. It could be for nefarious ends, it could just be that they enjoy it. But because Ausuka's reactions appear genuine, it rules out SvS in my mind. Either or neither could feasibly be scum, but probably not both. If I were told one of them MUST be I'd pick marci first, but for now I'd rather just move on and let other things play out.
[...]

I think I'd like you to touch a little on whether you still think Ausuka is genuine? And maybe like a brief comment on what seems genuine about her reaction if that seems appropriate.

Did you see this

@RR

?

[Radical Rat]

I did not, sorry. Been a bit scattered lately.

But I do still think so, yes, and as far as specificity, it's mostly the overall vibe. Like it's clearly getting under their skin that marci is dancing around the question and refusing to give a straight answer, and the escalation in frustration seems to gel with that as opposed to looking arbitrary and scripted.

Like if in the scumchat they'd agreed "Hey let's have a fight and clog up the thread" I wouldn't expect the kind of buildup and boiling over observed here, if that makes sense

[Aisa]

I mean, you got around to answering it eventually and that's what matters. Thanks!
Just realising I kinda messed up because I told myself I would not talk too much about the interaction yesterday, but I feel weird without at least quickly acknowledging what you've said. I'll try to wrap-up this up quickly: re-reading the interaction keeping in mind what you said doesn't really make it "click" for me that Ausuka is town, but I guess it's not a crucial debate right now because the other bits I found towny yesterday are still a thing.

[...]

I don't think they approach the wagon in the way they did if it was actually a reaction test. Especially since they ignored a lot of questions, at least a few of which were more general and not about the push they now say is a test.

Correct. I agree with you that this whole 'test' is not genuine. My point is that I'm not sure if it comes from town or scum. Gut says town but I really don't trust my gut here.

Your gut says being disengenuous is towny?

In this fashion, I've seen it done more as town than as scum. It's not anything I'd like to bet on but it's something I'd use if I had to bet on it.

@Meg

, did you take anything from Hiraki's response? Is there anyone you're suspicious of aside from Juice?

VOTE: Juice

no

@marci

, are you sussing Meg or defending Juice or both?

[MegAzumarill]

I think Juice is pretty explicitly refusing to play in a way that helps town.

[marcistar]

I think Juice is pretty explicitly refusing to play in a way that helps town.

but that does mean scum??

[marcistar]

doesnt*

[Juice]

I think Juice is pretty explicitly refusing to play in a way that helps town.

this is a lie. nothing i have done has been anti town - I just engaged a situation and created fallout.

[Juice]

Also what interesting Meg - is you've made me one of your main target in this game in the very off. Random Stage - During my rxn test - And after it. This make me think - that you've perhaps decided with your partner - I might be an easy push on Day 1. And when I flip town - you can just be like ' Oh xe was pretty erratic'. 21 - a majority of your post have been about me, but you've really not engaged with any of the more active players. What are you hiding?

[MegAzumarill]

You refuse to participate in discussion directly adressed at you.
Even if you aren't being actively Anti-town, you are refusing to engage in pro-town behavior, at all.

If you aren't going to help town play the game then I see no reason not to eliminate you. At worst we lose a non-player.

[MegAzumarill]

Also what interesting Meg - is you've made me one of your main target in this game in the very off. Random Stage - During my rxn test - And after it. This make me think - that you've perhaps decided with your partner - I might be an easy push on Day 1. And when I flip town - you can just be like ' Oh xe was pretty erratic'. 21 - a majority of your post have been about me, but you've really not engaged with any of the more active players. What are you hiding?

I'm hiding extreme frustration with you.
You're welcome.

[MegAzumarill]

Also what interesting Meg - is you've made me one of your main target in this game in the very off. Random Stage - During my rxn test - And after it. This make me think - that you've perhaps decided with your partner - I might be an easy push on Day 1. And when I flip town - you can just be like ' Oh xe was pretty erratic'. 21 - a majority of your post have been about me, but you've really not engaged with any of the more active players. What are you hiding?

I'm not accepting slayer's gambit at this time, or any time.

[Juice]

You refuse to participate in discussion directly adressed at you.
Even if you aren't being actively Anti-town, you are refusing to engage in pro-town behavior, at all.

If you aren't going to help town play the game then I see no reason not to eliminate you. At worst we lose a non-player.

What is hilarious about this - is that even if you don't understand my style of play. I have actually been attempting to scum hunt and see scum potential in other player. You've only tunnelled one player, but not actually looked at anyone else or been involved in lookign for potential sign of scum.

Using your own logic - If you aren't going to help town play the game then I see no reason why we shouldn't eliminate you. At worst we lose a non-player.

[MegAzumarill]

You refuse to participate in discussion directly adressed at you.
Even if you aren't being actively Anti-town, you are refusing to engage in pro-town behavior, at all.

If you aren't going to help town play the game then I see no reason not to eliminate you. At worst we lose a non-player.

What is hilarious about this - is that even if you don't understand my style of play. I have actually been attempting to scum hunt and see scum potential in other player. You've only tunnelled one player, but not actually looked at anyone else or been involved in lookign for potential sign of scum.

Using your own logic - If you aren't going to help town play the game then I see no reason why we shouldn't eliminate you. At worst we lose a non-player.

You refuse to communicate in a game where the only input you have is communication.

Justify that.

[marcistar]

why are you engaging with them if theyre clearly not trying to help town? if you think that just move on and try to sort others..?

[Juice]

That was really great way - to prove my point. You've done f'ed up there. Out of the two of us - only one of us have attempts to find scum. You've just decided to jump on my back like a spider monkey. Bye Felecia

[Juice]

why are you engaging with them if theyre clearly not trying to help town? if you think that just move on and try to sort others..?

that only person they've engaged all game has been me.

Also - when I was rxn you and Ausuka - I think Ausuka picked up on the aftermath pretty well. Y'all should be looking as Asia - who looked sussy af aftwards