Mini Normal 2278: Southern France [Game Over]

[ceejayvinoya]

hiiiii

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: T3

found a maf

explain?

there is no way town is legitimately callimg me maf and voting me here. at least not yet

I don't believe this is true and I am having a hard time believing that you think it is true.

Saying that town would never suspect you here implies that town should always be TRing you on the basis of your first 4 posts.

VOTE: Andante

Now

here

we have a bad post. Andante isn’t saying that town should always be tring her on the basis of her first 4 posts, she’s saying that there’s not enough information to form a full scumread.

VOTE: froggodoggo

I agree that the post is bad but I'm not sure if this makes it scummy.

[ceejayvinoya]

I still think that saying you are never town for suspecting her is a stretch and that it's more likely to come from a mafia who's trying to fake a town POV.

pedit hi welcome vote andante

sell me on it

[ceejayvinoya]

I agree that the post is bad

In your own words, what about the post was bad?

It's bad in a they misunderstood that post kind of bad. It's neither towny or scummy

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

idk, no comment on T3 for now, just annoys me when people purposely try to start stuff with me the second the game starts...

ceejay however.. is not off to a great start. I don't think I have ever joined a game and my first thought for a game was "I agree this post is bad, but I don't think it is scummy" this feels like a classic case of scum nervously entering and in the process TMIing whoever as town

lol okay

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

idk, no comment on T3 for now, just annoys me when people purposely try to start stuff with me the second the game starts...

ceejay however.. is not off to a great start. I don't think I have ever joined a game and my first thought for a game was "I agree this post is bad, but I don't think it is scummy" this feels like a classic case of scum nervously entering and in the process TMIing whoever as town

I don’t really get what you’re saying about ceejay, but I did find it slightly odd that he didn’t comment at all about the events of the first page. (Maybe?) frozen scum choosing to ignore it.

I mean I don't want to add fuel to what looks like a bad fire so

If there is any post there that suggests alignment maybe you could point me to it but nothing's got my attention there.

[ceejayvinoya]

I mean I don't want to add fuel to what looks like a bad fire so

can you explain to me what this means like im 5 yrs old

Yeah this was unclear.

Page 1 was mostly the confrontation between T3 and andante and I don't really have anything to add to that.

[ceejayvinoya]

I guess the most interesting part of page 1 for me would be were T3's early reads at the end. I don't entirely get how he decided to townread andante.

[ceejayvinoya]

Eiralox is town. they seem independent. like they r just out there in the world with no scum buddy. just the vibe that i get from that intro.

null on ceejay

page 3 hero solve t3/andante tbh that "conflict" went away immediately

I'm in love with these reads

T3 and andante did feel like they backed off each other pretty quickly

The only problem is that I don't really see andante scum so far

andante disengaging with T3 on 21 really pings towny to me for some reason

[ceejayvinoya]

Bonsoir i'm Eiralox and i'm here for the magret da canard >.<

So far, my only green feel is on T3. Like they seem sincere.

I'm intrigued that froggo sees me as a stong manly figure : P Why does froggo seem very dodgy these past few pages?
I sure wonder what Andante thinks about Galron's majestic entrance.

And that's it for me. I'll vote if and when I vote ; ) 'm taking in the scenery

Tell me more about green feel T3. What's his sincerest post?

[ceejayvinoya]

Hello, world.



My reads are:

Town:
Andante
T3
Eiralox
Galron

Mafia:
ceejayvinoya
froggodoggo

oooh brave list. Let's see how this goes.

Andante and T3's interaction seems like two townies, their reasoning seems natural to me, like they are genuinely trying to figure things out from an uninformed perspective.

Excuse me? which parts? They argued about voting each other, andante told him off, and then t3 backed down.

Frog and CJ's posts seem more like mafia to me. I don't like Frog's reads, they seem too confident without any inquisition or reasoning to back them up. CJ seems to be contradicting himself, without giving any reasons why. One thing that sticks out to me is that CJ asked Frog to sell him on voting andante, but Frog just ignored that request, and CJ ignored Frog's ignoring. Maybe they decided in mafia chat not to talk about it?

I guess the most interesting part of page 1 for me would be were T3's early reads at the end. I don't entirely get how he decided to townread andante.

First he says he doesn't a town read on Andante.

You misunderstood this. I don't get why T3 townreads andante.

Eiralox is town. they seem independent. like they r just out there in the world with no scum buddy. just the vibe that i get from that intro.

null on ceejay

page 3 hero solve t3/andante tbh that "conflict" went away immediately

I'm in love with these reads

T3 and andante did feel like they backed off each other pretty quickly

The only problem is that I don't really see andante scum so far

andante disengaging with T3 on 21 really pings towny to me for some reason

Soon after this he says Andante pings really towny, without giving any reasons. Why did he change his mind?

I literally linked the post from andante I liked and even said why.

Logically, a mafia would love their partner to have a null read on them because it's a non-commital way of saying they're not mafia, without giving clarity to the town.

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

Eiralox and Galron are town mostly by process of elimination. Nothing Eiralox has said so far seems scummy.

Me listing reads on everyone is not meant to be a show of great confidence in all of them. I just think it makes sense to approach such a small game from the angle of solving the entire thing all-together.

You only cased one person and it doesn't even fit. And the only thing you got on froggo was that he nullread me.

[ceejayvinoya]

I guess the most interesting part of page 1 for me would be were T3's early reads at the end. I don't entirely get how he decided to townread andante.

I know you had nothing to comment early, but like, here you have frog just coming at my throat like "how dare you ask CJ a question" like, I'm moving forward, but CJ seems very against me "calling you out" even though I'm asking you questions I want feed back on. What are your thoughts about frog not wanting to hear you answer a single question, yet instead "EVERYON ELSE ASKING QUESTIONS IS BAD"

Huh I don't remember being against you calling froggo out. In fact, I encourage it. I'm a bit null on froggo and content on him would definitely help me out, thank you.

As for froggo coming at your throat that's something you two should sort out. I'm not exactly in charge of him.

[ceejayvinoya]

Like, this just reads as trying to "look busy" and we call the "hero solve" Me and T3, like, you didn't stop for a second to consider that T3 and I might be familiar with each other? one of the recent times we played T3 told me he hated how I play, so like, obviously I'm going to be more annoyed when he starts the game coming at me, you ever think that "conflict" went away so the game actually became enjoyable for both??

like, idk about you, but to me starting a game off by fighting a scum partner sounds like the worst plan, especially in 7p. You "read" of T3 and Andante scum feels like a 0 effort "solve"
and like, shutting down everything directed at CJ... don't you want to have a read there? you say you're null there, but all you've done is start attacking me for asking CJ stuff.... great plan btw if you're genuinely trying to solve CJ... great plan!

Andante what happened to T3? is he not mafia anymore?

why would scum have such a reaction to this page 1?

Lots of stuff happened this page 1 and scum might not want to risk ‘poking’ me or Andante. So, they choose to ignore it and try to fly under the radar.

I think it’s far more likely that ceejay saw the thread and only had time to make one or two phone posts about page 2, so I’m not going to read into it too much.

what do you think about Andante reading into it?

I mean I don't want to add fuel to what looks like a bad fire so

can you explain to me what this means like im 5 yrs old

Why does froggo seem very dodgy these past few pages?

u tell me

Eiralox is town. they seem independent. like they r just out there in the world with no scum buddy. just the vibe that i get from that intro.

null on ceejay

page 3 hero solve t3/andante tbh that "conflict" went away immediately

oooh you two have a deeper history than I assumed. That explains stuff.

This might also explain T3's confidence in his read on you.

[ceejayvinoya]

I guess the most interesting part of page 1 for me would be were T3's early reads at the end. I don't entirely get how he decided to townread andante.

I know you had nothing to comment early, but like, here you have frog just coming at my throat like "how dare you ask CJ a question" like, I'm moving forward, but CJ seems very against me "calling you out" even though I'm asking you questions I want feed back on. What are your thoughts about frog not wanting to hear you answer a single question, yet instead "EVERYON ELSE ASKING QUESTIONS IS BAD"

Huh I don't remember being against you calling froggo out. In fact, I encourage it. I'm a bit null on froggo and content on him would definitely help me out, thank you.

As for froggo coming at your throat that's something you two should sort out. I'm not exactly in charge of him.

*but frog seems very against

so you're null of frog shutting down every question I was sending your way?

I actually didn't mind it because I thought I already answered your question but now that I read back on it I can see where you're coming from about froggo's posts

[ceejayvinoya]

So sorting from this:

andante probably town.

T3 could be town?

Eiralox is town because I said so.

VOTE: froggodoggo

I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.

[ceejayvinoya]

Yeah I just managed to figure that out

[ceejayvinoya]

To be clear T3 and Andante play like this so I don't think it's AI yet. Bloodbot's reads list is ???

This post is really tripping me up. It's like an almost blatant way of discrediting reads into them.

You point out T3 and andante's play but not the content of the play itself and the possible motivations for it.

You point out Blood's reads but didn't really speculate alignment or expand on it either.

This post is basically ???

[ceejayvinoya]

oooh you two have a deeper history than I assumed. That explains stuff.

This might also explain T3's confidence in his read on you.

Yeah. I went on hiatus around 8 months ago and this is my second game back, but I would previously often play with Andante.

I pushed Andante specifically because I knew she would generate a lot of content from my push on her, so the game would go faster.

I still think that saying you are never town for suspecting her is a stretch and that it's more likely to come from a mafia who's trying to fake a town POV.

pedit hi welcome vote andante

Is this serious?

Check this out: Galron ignoring T3's post on his early play.

[ceejayvinoya]

So sorting from this:

andante probably town.

T3 could be town?

Eiralox is town because I said so.

VOTE: froggodoggo

I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.

Why is Eiralox town?

quoting this so I could answer it later

[ceejayvinoya]

oooh you two have a deeper history than I assumed. That explains stuff.

This might also explain T3's confidence in his read on you.

Yeah. I went on hiatus around 8 months ago and this is my second game back, but I would previously often play with Andante.

I pushed Andante specifically because I knew she would generate a lot of content from my push on her, so the game would go faster.

I still think that saying you are never town for suspecting her is a stretch and that it's more likely to come from a mafia who's trying to fake a town POV.

pedit hi welcome vote andante

Is this serious?

Check this out: Galron ignoring T3's post on his early play.

nvm sacrap this i just got to 91

[ceejayvinoya]

It's funny that both of froggo's srs are those who sr him back.

I sr CJ a lot more than froggo, like why are we throwing froggo on e-1?

This is also funny because you're the one who got me into froggo being scummy

[ceejayvinoya]

Also, with a low player count, I'm thinking mafia voting their partner would be too detrimental to them because with the short game length town wouldn't have that much time to figure it out anyway.

andante: I sr CJ a lot more than froggo, like why are we throwing froggo on e-1?

Is it really that farfetched that they are both mafia?

I mean, we have just about nothing from Eira/CJ/Galron

like, CJ has only answered questions, not taking initiative to solve
Galron recently stepped it up a bit, and
Eira hasn't done ~Anything~

I'd really prefer if we actually got everyone doing stuff before we head into the night, instead of putting someone on e-1 and not announcing it as e-1... so our lovely lurking friends could show up, hammer, call it a day.

Like, Eira has NOTHING in that iso.. CJ has literally only been on defense, I haven't seen initiative to go "ok here's what I'm thinking, here's who I SR"
and Galron is a little different cause like, ehhh there's stuff there, but none of it really feels AI to me, so probably just need more time for a read there

If this is how you feel then I think you've been reading the game pretty narrowly. I got some reads I'm very comfortable with and I've done a decent amount of pushing as well.

I do agree that Galron needs some more looking in to.

[ceejayvinoya]

from my pov T3 is very confident in solving this game and I am very confident that T3 is town so my job is to just push on the people in their POE that isn’t me

i don’t TR galron or bloodbot and that aligns with T3’s POE so im cool with it

maybe y’all feel differently but this is a 7p on page 8 so I’m just chillin!

the heck?

why'd you pick now to start posting like this?

this is weirdly towny but idk

[ceejayvinoya]

Eiralox is town. they seem independent. like they r just out there in the world with no scum buddy. just the vibe that i get from that intro.

null on ceejay

page 3 hero solve t3/andante tbh that "conflict" went away immediately

I'm in love with these reads

T3 and andante did feel like they backed off each other pretty quickly

The only problem is that I don't really see andante scum so far

andante disengaging with T3 on 21 really pings towny to me for some reason

So sorting from this:

andante probably town.

T3 could be town?

Eiralox is town because I said so.

VOTE: froggodoggo

I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.

loving my reads into voting me is a weird jump that i didnt pay much attention to before. seems like scum who forgot what their reads were and voted opportunistically. i'd like an explanation for the jump. also CJ and T3 have both TR'd eiralox w/o reason so Eiralox might just be town who is being spewed by the mafia

VOTE: ceejay

and of course you backtrack. Did you just straight up ignore everything that happened between these two posts?

[ceejayvinoya]

Arghhhh andante's aggressive style of play would be more helpful if she actually tried to read the game properly. Right now it just feel like she's hitting everything that moves with a hammer.

[ceejayvinoya]

Eiralox is town. they seem independent. like they r just out there in the world with no scum buddy. just the vibe that i get from that intro.

null on ceejay

page 3 hero solve t3/andante tbh that "conflict" went away immediately

I'm in love with these reads

T3 and andante did feel like they backed off each other pretty quickly

The only problem is that I don't really see andante scum so far

andante disengaging with T3 on 21 really pings towny to me for some reason

So sorting from this:

andante probably town.

T3 could be town?

Eiralox is town because I said so.

VOTE: froggodoggo

I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.

loving my reads into voting me is a weird jump that i didnt pay much attention to before. seems like scum who forgot what their reads were and voted opportunistically. i'd like an explanation for the jump. also CJ and T3 have both TR'd eiralox w/o reason so Eiralox might just be town who is being spewed by the mafia

VOTE: ceejay

and of course you backtrack. Did you just straight up ignore everything that happened between these two posts?

i read your iso and dont see the reason for jumping on me. i'd like an explanation for the jump.

It's all on this actually:

Like, this just reads as trying to "look busy" and we call the "hero solve" Me and T3, like, you didn't stop for a second to consider that T3 and I might be familiar with each other? one of the recent times we played T3 told me he hated how I play, so like, obviously I'm going to be more annoyed when he starts the game coming at me, you ever think that "conflict" went away so the game actually became enjoyable for both??

like, idk about you, but to me starting a game off by fighting a scum partner sounds like the worst plan, especially in 7p. You "read" of T3 and Andante scum feels like a 0 effort "solve"
and like, shutting down everything directed at CJ... don't you want to have a read there? you say you're null there, but all you've done is start attacking me for asking CJ stuff.... great plan btw if you're genuinely trying to solve CJ... great plan!

Andante what happened to T3? is he not mafia anymore?

why would scum have such a reaction to this page 1?

Lots of stuff happened this page 1 and scum might not want to risk ‘poking’ me or Andante. So, they choose to ignore it and try to fly under the radar.

I think it’s far more likely that ceejay saw the thread and only had time to make one or two phone posts about page 2, so I’m not going to read into it too much.

what do you think about Andante reading into it?

I mean I don't want to add fuel to what looks like a bad fire so

can you explain to me what this means like im 5 yrs old

Why does froggo seem very dodgy these past few pages?

u tell me

Eiralox is town. they seem independent. like they r just out there in the world with no scum buddy. just the vibe that i get from that intro.

null on ceejay

page 3 hero solve t3/andante tbh that "conflict" went away immediately

oooh you two have a deeper history than I assumed. That explains stuff.

This might also explain T3's confidence in his read on you.

I townread T3 at that point after understanding why he started with a conflict on andante and trusted his andante townread.

I could have also voted in Galron/Blood but there was nothing there at that point.

[ceejayvinoya]

Froggo weaving this narrative about bloodbot is surface level analysis and really makes sense only if they're partners. I haven't read every post in the last day but it looks like froggo is trying to lim anyone that he can get a wagon on. I'll be voting there but I don't want to hammer anyone without a claim and I'm not sure the vc. Ceejay is just town.

Another post from Galron that really pings me bad.

You haven't really read much of anything and yet you're so sure about froggo's read on Blood as well as what he's supposedly trying to do now.

The vc is also literally on this page.

And where the heck did that townread for me came from???

[ceejayvinoya]

if you truly think ceejay is town I am inclined to vote you but I do not see myself making it out of today

Psst. Froggo. Truce and let's vote Galron?

[ceejayvinoya]

that kill makes no sense? I thought T3, ceejay, and Eira were claiming masons together, but apparently they're not, however, I thought the kill was for sure there

Me and Eira are masons. T3 has nothing to do with it, but he figured it out early.

[ceejayvinoya]

Andante I have a gunsmith guilty on you

ooooh spicy. Let's gooo

[ceejayvinoya]

Would like to see the crumbs but i imagine scum being informed of the masons is what balances this setup

It's basically just me hard townreading Eiralox without good reason yesterday, if you remember

[ceejayvinoya]

what a wacky position to be in… T3 and andante think y’all could pull up evidence of the other being paired with galron?

It's weird that you're making them do this but I'm not against it lol.

Where are your thoughts right now?

[ceejayvinoya]

I reread D1 to look for partnerings. T3 talks to Galron a LOT but neither of them ever converse about T3 sussing Galron. T3 only actually votes Galron until T3 makes several post thinking i'm town and Galron never ever acknowledges T3 sussing him. However, Galron doesnt acknowledge Andante either. Andante comes to the same conclusion as T3, that Galron is the most likely scum, without the two ever interacting with each other.

Not sure which one is more likely to be mafia. I do see hints that T3 and Galron couldve been working together to weave a narrative but it could also be Galron taking advantage of town!T3. Really sucks how quiet Galron is in regards to T3 and Andante at the end of the day. I really cannot tell whether the conversations between T3 and Galron are genuine or not. Part of me thinks that Galron feeling comfortable talking to T3 at the start of the day and then them not talking at all at the end of the day is more suspicious than Andante and Galron consistently avoiding each other.

Then I also think, if T3 is mafia why does Galron continue to go for me and not try to give T3 more towncred for the bus? Was it more of a spur of the moment thing and so Galron just kept pushing me?

So rude of the mafia to not make it obvious

It's weird for a possible scum!andante to post like this though:

great, so T3 wants to hard shield CJ and Eira, I think Froggo is town, and so that literally just leaves like Galron for maf, so whatever

VOTE: Galron

It would be easier to push you and keep the heat off Galron, I think. It's also weird that a possible scum!andante here would let a townie hard defend two other towns.

[ceejayvinoya]

This though:

Out of the PoE of Bloodbot, Galron, and froggo:

Weak scum
Bloodbot
Lean scum
Galron
scum
Froggo

If froggo is scum, he is scum with Galron but not bloodbot. But, bloodbot can be scum with Galron.

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: T3 Let's goooooooo Eiraaaa

[ceejayvinoya]

Yesss good game.

[ceejayvinoya]

This would have taken longer if Andante and froggo didn't suddenly become ridiculously townier this day

[ceejayvinoya]

Thanks for modding Aisa, I love those pictures and this was a really interesting setup.

[ceejayvinoya]

Best mason partner I ever had

this is the first time I rolled mason tho