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[hp [leaves]]

oEJo is 100% scum as his role pm is different from Santos'

[ribwich]

Now that the mod has confirmed that Santos was town, I do agree that the fact that oEJo did not know this does make him scum.

However, it might be in our best interest to not lynch him. We know that he's scum, but we don't which side he's on. The other scum team does though. I'm thinking we might want to go after somebody else, and let the scum deal with him. That way, oEJo still gets killed, we get another shot at killing scum today, and there's one less townie that could get potentially killed at night.

[hp [leaves]]

why would the opposing mafia kill someone who is definitely lynchbait?

[ribwich]

They have to know the role of somebody too before their kill will count. With oEJo they know exactly what his role is.

[oEJo]

Um, what the fuck?

I looked at the last page, saw that Santos was modkilled and skimmed over the page before it, barely reading Santos' claim, and started replying. It simply slipped my mind that he would have the alignment claim in there too. How does it imply me as scum?

[CarnCarn]

Why would you skim over the claim? That just doesn't make sense since that's the reason he got modkilled.

[armlx]

Meh, I can get behind the oEJo wagon if I could see a VC.

[Battle Mage]

'You are a Neighbor, your neighbor is (oEJo), each night you may talk to him.

You do not know what alignment he is, only that you can talk to him.

During the day, you vote on who you think is a member of the one of the Mafia and whether the lynch should be by rope or by gun. You win when all the Sicilians and Corsicans are dead.'

How does this imply his neighbor is town?

My reading sucks.

That said, i dont see why OeJo is any more likely scum than the other claimed neighbours.

BM

[Battle Mage]

They have to know the role of somebody too before their kill will count. With oEJo they know exactly what his role is.

This is a very valid point. I hate setup speculation.

BM

[Battle Mage]

oEJo should have known which allignment Santos was as he could check his role with Santos's role. If you then still ask which allignment he was, I have some trouble believing that you as 'Neighbor' have the same role.
What do you think of oEJo, BM?

And he's probably the only neighbor who tried to lynch his partner and tried to protect himself with the possible symmetry in the neighbors.

If he was scum, why would he lynch his partner Day 1? Not counting on the win condition reveal?

Hmm, this is tempting.

Unvote

BM

[oEJo]

The only reasons I'm suspected are:

a) I didn't read Santos' PM-claim carefully enough
b) armlx and CarnCarn seem town. (and thus I am either in the T-S1 group or T-S2 group)

Yes?

[armlx]

They have to know the role of somebody too before their kill will count. With oEJo they know exactly what his role is.

This is a very valid point. I hate setup speculation.

BM

Each scum group still doesn't know if the other neighbors are town/scum presumably until the first neighbor scum flips.

[bird1111]

Vote Count:
oEJo (6): CarnCarn, Moses le fou, ZazieR, Empking, hp [leaves], ribwich
Save the Dragons (1): Riceballtail
Battle Mage (1): SocioPath

Not voting (8): PutaPuta, armlx, oEJo, Save the Dragon, ZTR, hp [leaves], Sineish, Battle Mage

With 15 alive it is 8 to lynch.

Lynch Method Vote Count:
Rope (7): Save the Dragons, Empking, Moses le fou, ZazieR, ZTR, CarnCarn, hp [leaves]
Gun (6): oEJo, ribwich, SocioPath, armlx, Sineish, Riceballtail


Not voting for a lynch method (2): PutaPuta, Battle Mage

If a lynch were to happen without any change in lynch method votes, the Rope would be used.

[ribwich]

Does anyone agree with me that we would be better off letting the opposing scum team deal with oEJo?

[armlx]

Does anyone agree with me that we would be better off letting the opposing scum team deal with oEJo?

No. Too easy of a lynch, they just leave him alive and we are forced to do it.

[CarnCarn]

rib, I disagree. Why gamble and what makes you think scum would kill him tonight? They would surely prefer to take out PRs instead of an opposing team member N1.

[ribwich]

That's true. I was thinking they would go after oEJo since they can guarantee a kill on him, but they probably would be more interested in PR's.

Has anyone found something to suggest which weapon he would be weak to?

[CarnCarn]

I'm voting Rope because he was voting Gun under no pressure. I don't really have anything better to go on, as far as weapon goes.

[Battle Mage]

I'm voting Rope because he was voting Gun under no pressure. I don't really have anything better to go on, as far as weapon goes.

that makes no sense. Just for that

Vote: Gun

.

BM

[CarnCarn]

My take is that scum would naturally try to vote for the weapon they are immune to (under no pressure) and would try to WIFOM out if they are pressured. Like I said, it's not much to go on either way, but that's my reasoning.

[ribwich]

Another point that's fairly weak: when he was voting Santos he still had his vote on gun. If he truly believed Santos was scum, he would have voted for the weapon he was immune to since obviously they couldn't be scum partners.

It isn't a lot to go off, but unless something else comes up I'm going to go ahead and

Vote: Rope

[bird1111]

Prodding the following:
Save the Dragons
Sineish
SocioPath
Riceballtail

[armlx]

Another point that's fairly weak: when he was voting Santos he still had his vote on gun. If he truly believed Santos was scum, he would have voted for the weapon he was immune to since obviously they couldn't be scum partners.

It isn't a lot to go off, but unless something else comes up I'm going to go ahead and

Vote: Rope

I'm down with this logic.

Unvote: Gun, Vote Rope

[Riceballtail]

1)

MOD:

Reminder of sig.

2) Santos did a oops there, definitely bad to know the exact PM now though.

3) I agree with an EJ wagon, but don't want to give an LA lynch vote right now.

[bird1111]

Vote Count:
oEJo (6): CarnCarn, Moses le fou, ZazieR, Empking, hp [leaves], ribwich
Save the Dragons (1): Riceballtail
Battle Mage (1): SocioPath

Not voting (8): PutaPuta, armlx, oEJo, Save the Dragon, ZTR, hp [leaves], Sineish, Battle Mage

With 15 alive it is 8 to lynch.

Lynch Method Vote Count:
Rope (9): Save the Dragons, Empking, Moses le fou, ZazieR, ZTR, CarnCarn, hp [leaves], ribwich, armlx
Gun (5): oEJo, SocioPath, Sineish, Riceballtail, Battle Mage


Not voting for a lynch method (1): PutaPuta

If a lynch were to happen without any change in lynch method votes, the Rope would be used.