Mini Normal 2276: Around the World - Game Over!

[Ausuka]

I guess something I'm thinking about with Marci is

At the start of the game she strongly pushes me, to get the game started or for reactions or whatever

But her playstyle just does a 180 at some point? And now whereas before she was giving like really excessive explanations now she doesn't explain her reads at all and refuses even when asked. I'm not sure why she did this but I think it's somewhat likely to come from scum who thought her approach on day 1 isn't working???

[Alexcellent]

Yarp. She kind of started making some okay posts D2 again so that's why I sort of bought into the idea that maybe she did just feel trapped with so many people scum reading her. But she's done nothing positive today and has kinda reverted back to how she was on D1.
I'm stuck in this loop of "why would scum act this way? ... but also why would town act this way?"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote count 3.08

with 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-07-25 03:00:00).

yeet

Freedom[2]:

Ausuka, JohnnyFarrar

JohnnyFarrar[2]:

Scamper, Alexcellent

marcistar[2]:

Gamma Emerald, Datisi

Datisi[1]:

marcistar

not voting [1]:

Freedom

Mod Note

Happy Scumday Ausuka!

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[Ausuka]

Do I get a scumday party

[marcistar]

im not a troll wtf : <

[Ausuka]

I mean you did the troll face, that's pretty strong evidence tbh

[marcistar]

sobbing rn

[scamper]

I was going to make a post complaining about how paranoid of everyone I am and how hard this game has become, but that wouldn't serve a purpose outside of whining.

I'm going to vote between Gamma or Marci today, unless someone has a compelling argument for someone else.

I've spent some time looking through potential teams and the vast majority of them ended up in the "highly unlikely" pile.
However I think I can see Gamma/Marci as a team. I can alternatively see Johnny/Marci, but I'm probably not pushing Johnny today due to his claim.
Haven't decided fully on which way I'm going but I'll probs drop a vote in the next day or so.

VOTE: Freedom

Eh I'm convinced this is a better vote than gamma for now

Join me, easily manipulated townie

VOTE: freedom

pocket go brrr

You guys are killing me.


Shoshin's play was so erratic but not in like a scum flaily way but in a town "idk what's happening and suspect everyone" sorta way.
Granted Freedom's posts are really, really weak and it was kind of funny that I mentioned his lack of scumhunting and he immediately appeared to start asking Marci the same q he's been asking since D2 (which -- fair play I don't think she's ever answered).

This is what I mean about a lot of teams being unlikely, if it's Freedom scum then it means the hood was 2 towns 2 scum.

I think the thing as well is that maaaaybe Freedom is just town neighbour who has no one in the hood to talk to and everyone's already town reading him so he's just coasting. Like I've played with people who lose interest and don't care if they're VT or they lose their power for whatever reason. But then I think if he was a townie that cbf he'd be playing more like Johnny is? I do see that agreeableness and like, a lot of the questions he asks are very surface level.

2268 makes me think he's town because idk why scum!Freedom makes an argument against himself, but then that WIFOM is probs the reason he'd post it.

I'm overthinking in this game way more than I normally do and I think it's at my detriment.

Yeah whatevs VOTE: Freedom I'm going to ignore roles and just go with play

i'm a little bothered here by how little it took you to go from, i'm paranoid of everyone right now, i think freedom is town, actually i'll vote him anyway

[scamper]

like what was it u found persuasive enough to change your mind between those last two posts?

[scamper]

dats failed to shoot Alex because he's a nerd who doesn't know how to fire a gun properly

I feel like given mafia having daychat Johnny not knowing that might be towny???

or maybe he's just not reading the mafia PT either

im not sure forgetting what the claim is is AI but the paranoia mite b townie actually, ugh

UNVOTE:

[scamper]

I don’t like how half of Johnny’s “town reads” have a qualifier or dampening factor

Good catch.
Though, it could just be that those people are dominating the gamestate and constantly posting things that are likeable.

where do either of you see that? cuz all of his townreads look pretty unambiguous to me...

[scamper]

looking over the jf post it's pretty decent, i think i was just getting frustrated with his inactivity

meanwhile idk what marci is doing anymore...

[Datisi]

lolcatting

[scamper]

its just weird cuz i thought 2282 was fine but now she seems uninterested in offering even the most basic of explanations...ig it might just be trying to frame an associative on freedom? idk

[marcistar]

wdym im not just memeing i have reasons its just so much to type u should tots vote datisi tho..

[scamper]

then type out a single sentence rather than going "just trust me", cuz what youre doing right now is unconvincing...

[Alexcellent]

like what was it u found persuasive enough to change your mind between those last two posts?

Blatant sheeping if I'm honest.

I've been saying pretty much all day that Freedom's play in a vacuum is scummy, the only thing that gives me doubt is him being neighbour and Shoshin's play.
I'm still very mixed there and am still open to voting him. I feel like there's reasonable odds of JF and/or Freedom being scum.
I am changing my mind a lot though and I'm pretty aware of how wishwashy I'm being. This game is hard to decipher between scum and anti-town.

[scamper]

the comment about his playstyle made me take a look at some of johnnys games and this is similar to how he plays as town, which weakens my scumread on him...the caveat being i have no idea how to tell the difference when hes scum, cuz hes not very talkative as either alignment...

[Ausuka]

dats failed to shoot Alex because he's a nerd who doesn't know how to fire a gun properly

I feel like given mafia having daychat Johnny not knowing that might be towny???

or maybe he's just not reading the mafia PT either

im not sure forgetting what the claim is is AI but the paranoia mite b townie actually, ugh

UNVOTE:

yeah idk, I was assuming Johnny's partner was keeping him up to date but if it's like freedom or Marci I can see them not doing that??

[Ausuka]

I feel like I understand where Alex is coming from. I think with the freedom wagon I'm maybe pretending to be more decisive than I am but realistically there are a pool of players who would be reasonably likely to flip red and not a great deal to differentiate between them

[Ausuka]

I will say I think Freedom's behaviour is fairly clear cut the scummiest of anyone and the role claim is also probably the worst. Shoshin is the only thing that makes me doubt that push.

[Alexcellent]

That's the thing, I looked at a scum game of his and it was kind of similar levels of content.
As I was reading his input I was just kinda thinking he's saying what he thinks town wants to hear and the fact he had a scum read on me all game but now doesn't because we have the same reads rubs me the wrong way. I feel like I'm being reasonably town read by people now and so maybe I've become too hard of a push? But then idk, maybe he's on the level.

[Datisi]

marci is lowkey acting the same way she was acting as caught scum in moderators of the discord server btw

[Ausuka]

I feel like your posts today would be easy to townread for Johnny as either alignment. Honestly I vaguely like JF when he posts usually but it's not like a strong conviction.

Pedit: I mean ok true but it also seems fairly similar to Eurybia's curse maybe?

[Alexcellent]

We got 2 days left, I kind of don't want the day to end without Marci TRYING though. I'm open to a Freedom launch still, but if Marci doesn't come in with some actual analysis and case for why Datisi is scum then I think I'm going to push for her launch instead.

If she can't present a case beyond "trust me guys datisi is totes scum" then I take that as an admission from her that she doesn't actually have one and is thereby mafia.