Open 859 - C9++ - Postgame

[furtiveglance]

Also, froggo, if there are secret reasons you scumread me, I can't really refute those.

[Klick]

Sheeping conftown onto a lim target is a severely underrated strategy and towns should do much more often than they do

People are just hesitant to vote against their own personal reads, but it's often correct to do so to achieve a fully town-influenced elimination

So yeah, I'd be down for sheeping Hiraki today as a concept.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sheeping conftown onto a lim target is a severely underrated strategy and towns should do much more often than they do

People are just hesitant to vote against their own personal reads, but it's often correct to do so to achieve a fully town-influenced elimination

So yeah, I'd be down for sheeping Hiraki today as a concept.

Does Hiraki have historically good reads?

[Enchant]

If i was IC would you follow me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Probably not
The IC would need to have solid history of hood reads or at least strong conviction

[Enchant]

Makes sense, but then logic more is sheeping most expireinced player, and by that see for his alignment.

So let's sheep someone else and see what happens.

[Klick]

Sheeping conftown onto a lim target is a severely underrated strategy and towns should do much more often than they do

People are just hesitant to vote against their own personal reads, but it's often correct to do so to achieve a fully town-influenced elimination

So yeah, I'd be down for sheeping Hiraki today as a concept.

Does Hiraki have historically good reads?

Without really knowing about Hiraki's read strength, probably better than the average D1 scum elimination rate?

[Klick]

Logically, an elimination decided by 100% town is on average better than an elimination decided by 10/13 or 11/13 town because the decision is entirely made by players with the town win condition. This becomes more obvious the closer to ELo you are, as evidenced by the Not Quite Normal Mtuball game that just finished

[Lucian]

The reason why I think BBT is Town is because "scum isn't more likely to be relaxed! That is completely NAI!!" is a very stupid hill to choose to die on as scum. Scum usually has a bit more self-awareness, he reads like a stubborn Townie to me.

what do you think about the fact that BBT honed in on you for saying people were town on page 1, but not Aisa, who also said people were town on page 1?

Nothing. I read that Aisa post as non-serious, so I didn't think anything of BBT not commenting on it.

Not a fan of blindly sheeping IC votes. Unless the IC has some really above-average, it's probably not worth it giving up potential info from Day 1 wagons for the slight increase in odds of a scum D1 elimination.

[Lucian]

Unless the IC has some really above-average reads*

[Lucian]

Klick, could you give me your updated thoughts on my slot, please?

I like your thoughts on BBT in 196, and on Dunnstral in 231. Aside from those, I'm fairly null on you. I could easily see your posts so far coming from either scum or town.

Is the existence of my wagon helping you get reads (on either me or others), and is there anyone you actually scumread now?

[Klick]

The info is still there in the form of what people wanted from the day, you just have to actually analyse it
We could even just give Hiraki the 'power' to veto what we all decide to do for the day and make his own decision if he wants to play around that

[Klick]

I'm satisfied with my vote at the moment and I don't have a place I'd rather it be. I don't have any outright scumreads.

[Lucian]

Gamma Emerald

Aight. Why is Gamma Town?

[Klick]

Gamma's posting reads as genuine and solving-oriented
Specifically I liked his reasoning for townreading myself and Infinity and it showed evidence of a towny thought process
Since then, I've also been a fan of his probing/thoughts on furtive. I'm convinced that Gamma's motivation for posting right now is to solve this game (in a way that feels notably different from the game we just finished together where he was scum).

[Malakittens]

Let’s kill enchant.
Let’s never kill gamma.
I’ll prob never kill csf

[Malakittens]

UNVOTE: csf

Bbl

[furtiveglance]

Mala I sus you.

[furtiveglance]

Why use the word 'kill'? Is that on the brain?

[Gamma Emerald]

Sheeping conftown onto a lim target is a severely underrated strategy and towns should do much more often than they do

People are just hesitant to vote against their own personal reads, but it's often correct to do so to achieve a fully town-influenced elimination

So yeah, I'd be down for sheeping Hiraki today as a concept.

Does Hiraki have historically good reads?

Without really knowing about Hiraki's read strength, probably better than the average D1 scum elimination rate?

Logically, an elimination decided by 100% town is on average better than an elimination decided by 10/13 or 11/13 town because the decision is entirely made by players with the town win condition. This becomes more obvious the closer to ELo you are, as evidenced by the Not Quite Normal Mtuball game that just finished

yeah, I'll buy that

[Gamma Emerald]

Why use the word 'kill'? Is that on the brain?

is that the only reason you sus Mala? some people just use "kill" to refer to eliminating someone. it might be more prominent now that the original term used is off-limits and the terminology is decentralized.

[froggodoggo]

Ok seeing as some people started getting a bit shady towards me I thought I'd lazily pocket the conftown, and suggest we all vote with Hiraki, use them as a Day Vig in a way.

we get extremely minimal info from all sheeping the IC. you should know better than to suggest this

[froggodoggo]

Also, froggo, if there are secret reasons you scumread me, I can't really refute those.

nah that statement was separate. nothing you need to worry abt

[froggodoggo]

Logically, an elimination decided by 100% town is on average better than an elimination decided by 10/13 or 11/13 town because the decision is entirely made by players with the town win condition. This becomes more obvious the closer to ELo you are, as evidenced by the Not Quite Normal Mtuball game that just finished

i would argue an elimination decided by multiple people bouncing ideas off of each other is far superior than one person choosing

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Yeah! Democracy!