Open 857 | Frienemies | Postgame

[Aristeia]

can you share what makes s_s town? @ari

he's like obviously a mason

[Andante]

I am pretty tempted to vote her but I think I want to finish doing due diligence on some of her town games first.

you vote me in the next hour I'm literally self hammering

[Aristeia]

this isn't useful andante

[Andante]

I mean, the ENTIRE conversation is "Andante maf" no one is considering literally anyone else. I'm trying my best here, and if my best results in all yall going "andante lock scum" it's just like, what's the freaking point of me trying?

[Enchant]

I mean, the ENTIRE conversation is "Andante maf" no one is considering literally anyone else. I'm trying my best here, and if my best results in all yall going "andante lock scum" it's just like, what's the freaking point of me trying?

FIGHT FOR THE END. RAWR

[implosion]

implo who do you think is scum if im town? im still pretty much on enchant + one of andante/SS (maybe leaning SS now?) but you townread two of those

Datisi, potentially.

[fireisredsir]

hmm that's unfortunate, i don't think that's right

[implosion]

Alas. Do you think the strength with which you can call Datisi town is commensurate with the strength of his scumgame?

[fireisredsir]

that would be funny tho if andante called out the maf team as the mason team

it's certainly been known to happen, and in reverse

[fireisredsir]

Alas. Do you think the strength with which you can call Datisi town is commensurate with the strength of his scumgame?

he has a very strong scumgame but i think there's specific actions taken here that don't make sense from him as scum

one example that i don't think has been brought up is that if he had an inkling that gamma was mason i don't think he pushes her d2 the way he did? and if he doesn't have an inkling that gamma is mason then i don't think he nk's her

like the scum benefit to pushing someone you think is mason is obvious, you can see who is willing to defend them. but that seems to me like the kind of thing that datisi wouldn't really want to dirty his hands with here esp since if he's scum, he's in a decent spot to endgame

[Datisi]

implo, do you have any reasons to actually suspect me if fire!town or is it a "everyone seems town so must be datisi" sorta read?

[fireisredsir]

i think most of his d2 feels p uninformed in multiple ways and he would have to be intentionally making the choice to play suboptimally for the purposes of faking that which seems high-risk to me. maybe he'd go for it but i don't see why it would be necessary

[implosion]

implo, do you have any reasons to actually suspect me if fire!town or is it a "everyone seems town so must be datisi" sorta read?

The latter. If anything I feel like I have overall decent reasons to townread you, I just don't know how much I should actually trust them.

[Datisi]

you can tell me what those reasons are and i will give you an objective judgement whether they are to be trusted :3

who do you have in mind as a partner for fire again?

[fireisredsir]

can i have an objective judgement whether my reason is to be trusted

[Aristeia]

townreading Datisi for consistently pushing masons is certainly

a take

[Something_Smart]

he's like obviously a mason

Doesn't seem worth it for me to confirm or deny this at this juncture.

[fireisredsir]

townreading Datisi for consistently pushing masons is certainly

a take

im only talking about gamma here as that's the only known mason

and yea i don't think he pushes someone that he suspects to be a mason as either alignment, as town bc duh, and as maf bc he wants to look town and cares about how people will see his actions when they look back later. just doesn't seem like his playstyle to me

[Datisi]

can i have an objective judgement whether my reason is to be trusted

the first part is valid. pushing gamma knowing/suspecting she's mason and for the Wifom of "i wouldn't have done that if i were scum hehe" would be hoping someone else makes that connection, because as i've learned the hard way, such arguments that come from me aren't very convincing. and there is no guarantee anyone ever makes that connection, or finds it convincing even if they do make it

the only other reason scumtisi would have for pushing a known mason is associate fishing, but that's uh, (1) incredibly risky and (2) i'd have to have been much more louder and obnoxious with it to actually get meaningful results

as for your second argument, you'll have to point out where was i supposedly playing suboptimally as scum on d2 bc idk what you're referring to

[Enchant]

*ultrayawn*

Let's speedlim Fire/Datisi and call it day.

[Datisi]

no u

[Enchant]

no u

[implosion]

I still have S_S as my next choice for scum after fire right now. If he's a mason (or otherwise town), idk, I think I'd rather cross that bridge when I come to it, at this point. I know it's a mason setup but I don't really like thinking about/actively trying to avoid masons, because, as fire points out and as is traditionally very much the case, masons and scum are easy to confuse both in play and in connections because both of them are trying not to be found out both individually and as a team.

I guess Enchant still has to be in the conversation just bc I'm reading them off a smaller corpus of stuff than everyone else but I never really found George's content intrinsically scummy, it was just nothing.

Does anyone else feel as strongly about Enchant's content as I do? I spent

most

of PYP angry that we weren't allowed to lim them and I was right so I feel like I have an alright bead on them.

[Datisi]

Does anyone else feel as strongly about Enchant's content as I do?

can't say that i do. i'm not too interested in going there today since i have a light townread there myself, and if something doesn't give immediate reward then i'm too lazy to do it, so i haven't actually done any meta yet

[catboi]

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