Mafia 88- Return to New Catania- Game Over!

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Sir Tornado

Gah, I realise you're probably mocking BM, but please. Stop. Doing. That.

I think he's getting pissy because im not calling him by his actual username.

Ooi, do you think it is acceptable to 'mock' me?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Bandwagons are fun! (That and I agree with the whole 'no lynch is bad' sentamant.)

Vote: Hoopla

No Lynch is bad, but not really much worse than a lynch based on no reasoning atall.

I'm not considering a vote at this stage to be serious.
Why are you?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Hoopla

for not liking it when people talk to each other about important game issues.

FoS: Seraphim

I think you just missed the point entirely. Opportunism much?

BM

[Battle Mage]

By voting no lynch, what you did was make a vote that won't be able to really provide much information to the town, due to how obviously jokey it was.

It's the random stage. What do you expect?? The nature of it, is that all starting votes tend to be 'jokey'...

Although it's not neccesarily vital information for the town, random voting could help later on down the road.

Lol. Didnt you just say that it "wouldnt provide much information to the town due to how obviously jokey it is"?

Your vote, in fact, consisted of nothing more than half-baked OMGUS based on quote-mining.

Which i guess makes you guilty of UNDER-mining, right?

Another important part of my post is the use of the phrase "by itself". Although your vote may start discussion due to others commenting on how scummy the vote is, and create reactions, by itself it does not give the town any information to analyze so that they can learn more about your alignment. And that is something that I feel, especially this early in the game, is extremely important.

So you feel that later in the game, it will be of greater use to analyse random votes, which btw, are...random? You'd rather have that than something controversial that can reveal some weaseley opportunistic scumbag?

Bandwagons are fun! (That and I agree with the whole 'no lynch is bad' sentamant.)

Vote: Hoopla

Out of curiousity, what do you personally believe will come out of this wagon? Why did you choose to hop onto an avenue already being persued, rather than examine the reactions of other players by casting your vote in their directly?

Lol, i think you're trying too hard. Why are you complaining about somebody backing you up? Most of the information from the random voting stage comes from bandwagons. The last sentence doesnt even make grammatical sense...

BM

[Shanba]

Vote: Sir Tornado

Gah, I realise you're probably mocking BM, but please. Stop. Doing. That.

I think he's getting pissy because im not calling him by his actual username. :D

Ooi, do you think it is acceptable to 'mock' me?

BM

Of course it's acceptable! It's just that upside down quoting thing, well, you have little idea how much that annoyed me.

I don't need to be reminded.

[OhGodMyLife]

Oddly enough, I agree with BM. GC undermined his own argument in the process of writing it.

Vote: George Carlin

FoS: Yosarian2

before he can start manipualting me

[Shanba]

Oddly enough, I agree with BM. GC undermined his own argument in the process of writing it.

Yeah, but is that actually scummy?

[OhGodMyLife]

Oddly enough, I agree with BM. GC undermined his own argument in the process of writing it.

Yeah, but is that actually scummy?

The flaw in his reasoning could have been an honest mistake, but there's also a good possibility it wasn't (its very easy for scum to jump on a standard anti town tell such as voting no lynch), and its light years better than a random vote. The random voting stage does exactly zero for forward momentum.

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Sir Tornado

Gah, I realise you're probably mocking BM, but please. Stop. Doing. That.

I think he's getting pissy because im not calling him by his actual username.

Ooi, do you think it is acceptable to 'mock' me?

BM

Of course it's acceptable!

:'(

[Seraphim]

Vote: Hoopla

for not liking it when people talk to each other about important game issues.

FoS: Seraphim

I think you just missed the point entirely. Opportunism much?

BM

...I'm getting FoSed already?

I finid it odd that you're calling me out for being "oppurtunistic" for jumping/starting a bandwagon for a possible in-game reason, when stuff like that happens all the time in the random phrase for absolutely no reason at all. Sure, my logic may be faulty, but why call me out for it now, during the part of the game that tends to just be silliness?

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Hoopla

for not liking it when people talk to each other about important game issues.

FoS: Seraphim

I think you just missed the point entirely. Opportunism much?

BM

...I'm getting FoSed already?

I finid it odd that you're calling me out for being "oppurtunistic" for jumping/starting a bandwagon for a possible in-game reason, when stuff like that happens all the time in the random phrase for absolutely no reason at all.

You could have called it a 'random vote'. But you didnt. You tried to validate it as a reasoned 1. I'm pointing out that your reasoning makes no sense.

Sure, my logic may be faulty, but why call me out for it now, during the part of the game that tends to just be silliness?

Take your vote off my buddy Hoopla now, and i'll retract my FoS and apologise for being too quick to judge you.

BM

[Seraphim]

...is this a trap?

Unvote

because I actually don't think Hoopla was scummy?

>_>

<_<

This feels like a trap.

[Battle Mage]

...is this a trap?

Unvote

because I actually don't think Hoopla was scummy?

>_>

<_<

This feels like a trap.

Lol, im not entirely sure if it was a trap or not. The fact you retracted your vote doesnt make you look any less scummy to me, but:

A. I am a man of my word.
B. It is heartening to see that some people can actually accept when they are wrong.

Scum or not, i dont want you strung up just yet.

UnFoS: Seraphim

BM

[Der Hammer]

We might as well just get it over with and lynch me?

[ZTR]

We might as well just get it over with and lynch me?

.....wut

[Ectomancer]

Oddly enough, I agree with BM. GC undermined his own argument in the process of writing it.

Yeah, but is that actually scummy?

The flaw in his reasoning could have been an honest mistake, but there's also a good possibility it wasn't (its very easy for scum to jump on a standard anti town tell such as voting no lynch), and its light years better than a random vote. The random voting stage does exactly zero for forward momentum.

Nobody agrees with BM. That certainly can only be motivated by a desire to buddy up with him.

vote OhGodMyLife

I dont think being a good debater (or a poor one) is indicative of alignment. I'm also not content that the player that questions a page 1 no lynch or self vote is more inclined to be scum or town. Where is your conversation if everyone ignores the player that is attempting to get it started?
His join date is November 2008 though...are you really truly thinking nub scum or are you stirring the pot? He didn't really sound like a true nub to me.

[Sobeahero]

First off this is to answer George. I stuck with the vote, cause at the time there was no other path I saw to pursue, and there was plenty of time to await other players to speak up about it. So it seemed logical to wait it out for just a little bit and cast my vote for now. However, something else has come up.

vote: no lynch

obvscum

Don't like this. Although the random voting stage isn't particularly vital, it can often help jumpstart conversation, get reactions going, etc. This vote provides no information to the town that can be discussed later, such as voting patterns, etc. In addition, it provides very little discussion or reacting by itself, while votes on a player can help create reactions, and start conversation.

In fact, I find that depriving the town of information, even information this small, to be somewhat scummy. Although it's more definately not a solid case, it's a start, and I feel that this has more potential to get the conversation going than simply ignoring it and random voting. Therefore,

Vote: Hoopla

Unvote, Vote: GeorgeCarlin

Well done buddy. You just disproved your own argument. If voting No-Lynch didnt provoke discussion, YOU WOULDNT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING IT. If voting no-lynch didnt illicit reactions, YOU WOULDNT HAVE VOTED FOR HOOPLA.

He left a trap, and you fell right into it.

BM

First off, he disproved nothing. The point was that vote couln't be used later for any reason, and that it seemed hoopla didn't want to start a discussion, as it would draw attention to him.

Secondly, I always have issues trusting the guy who jumps on the first dude who tries to make a point about something. Also the fact people seemed to start voting Hoopla, which shows he might be able to convince people who to vote for. Seems like someone a Mafia would want to get rid of, under the assumption he himself isn't Mafia.

I would say vote for you, cause if you are Mafia I doubt Carlin is, at least not in the same factin you are, again assuming there are more then 1. Don't get me wrong though, if you are town it doesn't show if he is one way or another. I don't see him as suspicious, so even if you get lynched and flip town, I wouldn't encourage anyone to vote Carlin yet, not until he does something incriminating.

I'll give you some words of defense though.

[Sobeahero]

Wow I missed a lot when posting that. I might be re-evaluating what I said shortly after reading it all.

[Sobeahero]

Okay, upon realizing there is a second page and catching up on the reading, I determined my points stay, and that I really want to know what FoS is.

[Der Hammer]

Finger of Suspiscion

[Sobeahero]

Thank you Hammer of Der. If I could I'd give you a cookie.

[tubby216]

i will be V/LA untill wednesday the 12th

[The Fonz]

First

votecount:

GeorgeCarlin (4)- militant, Hoopla, Battle Mage, OhGodMyLife
Hoopla (3)- GeorgeCarlin, Sobeahero, Sir Tornado
xyzzy (1) - farside22
Sir Tornado (1) - Shanba
CuriousKarmaDog (1) - tubby216
Yosarian2 (1) - Der Hammer
OhGodMyLife (1) - Ectomancer

Also- I noticed that I forgot to include the deadline rule in the initial post. So there is no confusion, as with all Fonz games,

there can be no lynch without majority. If the deadline hits without one, the game goes to night with a nolynch.

[Yosarian2]

IGMEOY:Hoopla

Because I hate the "I'm going to do something scummy so I can jump on the first person who calls me on it to "encourage conversatin"" gambit. I've seen town people do it too often lately to really consider it a scumtell anymore, so I'm notgoing to vote you for it, but it never accomplishes anything and just makes day 1 muddy.

[Yosarian2]

Also,

FOS:Seraphim

for falling into BM's trap.

Seriously, he voted for a legitimate reason, and then backtracked just to stop from getting FOS'd by BM?