Mini 698 - Georgetown Mafia - Game over

[Apothecary]

It kinda sucks that we're arguing over whether or not we should be allowed to post in pictures rather than words. When we're playing mafia!

just to get discussion moving

Vote: Corvuus

[Huntress]

Vote Count

MiteyMouse 2 - (Evilgorrilaz, MacavityLock)
Zeppo007 1 - (Atlas)
StrangerCoug 3 - (Primate, Cephrir, Zeppo007)
MacavityLock 1 - (MiteyMouse)
Primate 2 - (Corvuus, SmintyLost23)
Corvuus 2 - (StrangerCoug, Apothecary)


With eleven players alive, it takes six votes to lynch.


Rule reminder

1. This is a game. Have fun. Play to win

but don’t make personal attacks

or use obscene or profane language. Just play your part and help to make the game fun for everyone.

I would prefer not to see posts like 147 and 148 in this game.

[Corvuus]

It kinda sucks that we're arguing over whether or not we should be allowed to post in pictures rather than words. When we're playing mafia!

just to get discussion moving

Vote: Corvuus

If this were real life mafia, it would be like Primate speaking a foreign language, sign language or writing on a piece of paper and hoping one of us can translate.

I have no reason to believe it is a PR. If he posts and says it is voluntary but he *wants* to post in pictures, I can accept that and move on since at the very least if things go badly for town he could drop it and say something.

But if he is keeping up a voluntary PR just for fun and it has a spam of pictures (4-5 pictures just to say he thinks someone is scum) without explanation or reason, then what the heck is that?

I don't even know what his case is or reasons for voting are. He just thinks that they are mafia and that is it?

If it was a different PR (involving laughing, words, stories, etc.) and not just "you can only post in pictures", then I may buy it and think it wasn't voluntary but a Picture PR??

No.

If it were words, at the very least he could attempt to convey nuances of our discussions and what we are doing. As it is, it is pretty much him just saying "yes or no", posting a picture of himself (primate pic) with = sign on something and then "mafia" with his suspicion.

Can any of you tell me that you seriously have a meta, scum-town tells or ANYTHING from primates picture posting? And I don't count knowing him from other games.

Because basically it seems like you are all telling me that it is ok to have a player who will basically be "null-tells" all the way through this entire game and that is horribly bad for town.

How would I build a case against Primate? Quoting his pictures? Trying to argue it is a scum-tell based on pictures?

I am not saying we have to lynch him but we should be considering how strange this is. It is as if he 'claimed townie' and then we are all just going to ignore him for the rest of the game because of a voluntary PR.


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If you think it isn't voluntary, tell me why you think that. Even based on Primate's answers I am convinced it is voluntary.

If it was enforced, then he could have posted pictures showing that he had no control over it, it wasn't something he could do anything about since it was decided by mod.

Instead he posts that it is useless to discuss since he is stubborn and not going to change.

That kind of response is made by a person who is doing a VOLUNTARY PR and wants to keep doing his picture act.

If he wants to keep doing his picture act, that is fine, but I won't drop it until he admits it is voluntary (and then he can go back to pictures).

Corvuus

[Cephrir]

Hm. Actually, you're probably right.

[Cephrir]

Unvote, Vote: Primate

because stop.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm sorry, Corvuus, but I'm not convinced by your case on Primate here.

Cephrir, nice job agreeing with Corvuus and joining the Primate wagon without adding any real content yourself.

FoS: Cephrir

[MiteyMouse]

Why don't we ask Primate. Primate, is your posting restriction mod imposed?

[Atlas]

Mod, are post restrictions possible in this Mini?

Assuming it is voluntary I see Primate's play style as both anti-town and scummy. Anti-town because he is limiting the amount of information he could add to the thread; Corvuus elaborated pretty well on this. It's scummy because he can easily make everyone believe that he actually has a PR and thus get by much easier than most of the town. I think it's much more likely that A) Primate is "cleverly" fooling the town into believing nonsense for an easy scum-game, rather than B) a situation in which the mod instilled a picture-only restriction in a game with

"standard roles"

(from the mod herself). My vote is pending depending on how the mod responds.

Mitey is looking scummier and scummier by the post; it's clear that he is just sitting on the fence regarding the situation with Primate. The only thing he has done is ask Primate/the mod several times whether Primate has a PR. What do

you

think, Mitey? And is it suspect at all?

[MiteyMouse]

It is suspect if it is a self imposed posting restriction. If it is a mod imposed posting restriction than he is using what he can to help out. So, I really need to know where the restriction came from before I can decide if it is Scummy or not.

[Atlas]

Do you think it's voluntary or involuntary, given StragerCoug's (?) and Corvuus' cases?

[Cephrir]

I'm sorry, Corvuus, but I'm not convinced by your case on Primate here.

Cephrir, nice job agreeing with Corvuus and joining the Primate wagon without adding any real content yourself.

FoS: Cephrir

I'll explain my thoughts later. Just go with it, K?

[Primate]

If this were real life mafia, it would be like Primate speaking a foreign language, sign language or writing on a piece of paper and hoping one of us can translate.

I have no reason to believe it is a PR. If he posts and says it is voluntary but he *wants* to post in pictures, I can accept that and move on since at the very least if things go badly for town he could drop it and say something.

But if he is keeping up a voluntary PR just for fun and it has a spam of pictures (4-5 pictures just to say he thinks someone is scum) without explanation or reason, then what the heck is that?

I don't even know what his case is or reasons for voting are. He just thinks that they are mafia and that is it?

If it was a different PR (involving laughing, words, stories, etc.) and not just "you can only post in pictures", then I may buy it and think it wasn't voluntary but a Picture PR??

No.

If it were words, at the very least he could attempt to convey nuances of our discussions and what we are doing. As it is, it is pretty much him just saying "yes or no", posting a picture of himself (primate pic) with = sign on something and then "mafia" with his suspicion.

Can any of you tell me that you seriously have a meta, scum-town tells or ANYTHING from primates picture posting? And I don't count knowing him from other games.

Because basically it seems like you are all telling me that it is ok to have a player who will basically be "null-tells" all the way through this entire game and that is horribly bad for town.

How would I build a case against Primate? Quoting his pictures? Trying to argue it is a scum-tell based on pictures?

I am not saying we have to lynch him but we should be considering how strange this is. It is as if he 'claimed townie' and then we are all just going to ignore him for the rest of the game because of a voluntary PR.


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If you think it isn't voluntary, tell me why you think that. Even based on Primate's answers I am convinced it is voluntary.

If it was enforced, then he could have posted pictures showing that he had no control over it, it wasn't something he could do anything about since it was decided by mod.

Instead he posts that it is useless to discuss since he is stubborn and not going to change.

That kind of response is made by a person who is doing a VOLUNTARY PR and wants to keep doing his picture act.

If he wants to keep doing his picture act, that is fine, but I won't drop it until he admits it is voluntary (and then he can go back to pictures).

Corvuus

Mod, are post restrictions possible in this Mini?

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[SmintyLost23]

Wow I gotta say that graphic organizer is pretty awesome.

I'm sorry, Corvuus, but I'm not convinced by your case on Primate here.

Cephrir, nice job agreeing with Corvuus and joining the Primate wagon without adding any real content yourself.

FoS: Cephrir

I'll explain my thoughts later. Just go with it, K?

Um, way to go.

unvote; vote Cephrir

[Atlas]

Wow I gotta say that graphic organizer is pretty awesome.

I'm sorry, Corvuus, but I'm not convinced by your case on Primate here.

Cephrir, nice job agreeing with Corvuus and joining the Primate wagon without adding any real content yourself.

FoS: Cephrir

I'll explain my thoughts later. Just go with it, K?

Um, way to go.

unvote; vote Cephrir

That wasn't much better. Reasoning?

FoS: Sminty

Primate that's a pretty nice chart but do you think you could elaborate somewhat?

[Atlas]

Primate, are you allowed to post numbers? If so please do so in response.

[Primate]

splp

[Primate]

Primate, are you allowed to post numbers? If so please do so in response.

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[Primate]

Primate that's a pretty nice chart but do you think you could elaborate somewhat?

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[Zeppo007]

I've got a question for Primate. You seem pretty set on StrangerCoug being guilty do you have any extra info as part of Role that would give you this info? If not can you show us some quotes that have given you this high suspicion of Coug?

[MacavityLock]

I've got a question for Primate. You seem pretty set on StrangerCoug being guilty do you have any extra info as part of Role that would give you this info? If not can you show us some quotes that have given you this high suspicion of Coug?

This. I think that the biggest part of what we're missing from Primate is analysis of why he thinks people are scummy/not scummy. If this is a real restriction, then Primate can:
a) Post numbers. (post 16)
b) Post letters. (post 165)
c) Post pictures with words in them. (posts 147, 161)
Therefore, no matter whether you have a PR or not, you can come up with a way to talk sanely to us. Start giving us analysis, or I'll stop giving you the benefit of the doubt.

[Cephrir]

I've got a question for Primate. You seem pretty set on StrangerCoug being guilty do you have any extra info as part of Role that would give you this info? If not can you show us some quotes that have given you this high suspicion of Coug?

Stop fishing.

[Atlas]

Zeppo, have you ever seen a straight answer to a yes or no question from Primate yet? Imo it's getting futile and redundant. And I don't think Primate would have information regarding StrangerCoug's alignment on Day 1 in a game with standard roles (except for a masonry, but that wouldn't explain why Primate has written Coug off as scum).

I'm not sure what his last three posts mean but apparently he can post numbers and pictures with words. If he is allowed to do all of this, but cannot communicate "directly" with the town, I would consider his PR too complex for this town. If it's all a play for reactions or something then it is just distracting everyone.

[Corvuus]

I'm sorry, Corvuus, but I'm not convinced by your case on Primate here.

Cephrir, nice job agreeing with Corvuus and joining the Primate wagon without adding any real content yourself.

FoS: Cephrir

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I don't think Primate is scum. My point was just to see what kind of PR it was, how far he could go, etc.

Unvote

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SC, why don't you tell us what you think of who is your top two picks for being the most scummy.

I will gladly tell you mine.

Corvuus

[Cephrir]

If you're giving up, I will as well. I was hoping if we got enough votes on Primate he would give it up, but if the wagon's greatest supporter is going to jump ship it'll never work.

Unvote

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[MacavityLock]

You know what, screw it. I'm done talking about Primate for now.

just to get discussion moving

Vote: Corvuus

I'm not sure I understand this. When you made this vote, it brought Corvuus up to two votes, which is barely any pressure. What discussion were you trying to bring us to? Why choose Corvuus and not someone else?