Babylon 5 Mafia: Severed Dreams - Over

[Kinetic]

Kinetic, I know you don't like me trying to attach the theme to everything, but this IS a

Babylon 5 themed game

. Roles were made with at least some connection to the series.

I read the whole thing, and I'm going to respond to it, but it doesn't need a long response.

My main issue is that you're trying to tie the theme to EVERYTHING. It is not going to work. Yes, when everything ends the theme might be evident, but trying to see that inside the game is going to be, frankly, very difficult to impossible.

Now I'm not saying that you won't be able to use the theme to find connections, I'm just asking you to remember to temper your zeal. Its not always going to fit the theme, and if you go blindly thinking it will you're going to be blind-sided.

But go ahead, do as you will, I'll just be as completely anti-theme as possible and you can try and find the theme implications of what I find. I'll do the same for you and try to keep you grounded so you don't go so far that you fall into a trap.

[Mana_Ku]

Vote hp

Not for the reasons you guy just mentioned. Remember that Malthusis asked where hp claimed? I quoted it for him. Her it is again:

Ok I think I have to give you a reason to keep me alive for this day.

I'm Alfred Bester. EarthForce/Anti-Vorlon Psi-Cop. Every night I can read someone's mind, learning his/her race and faction.

I can be inspecting people at night while the Army of Light cop (if there is one) stays hidden.

I'm more dependable and trustful than Nat and his constantly changing ability.

If you don't believe me, Nat is the logical choice to lynch without risking your cop. If he's indeed a survivor, I'll start a wagon on myself in Day 2.

If you believe me, I suggest waiting until Kinetic comes up with the second part of his BIG plan.

When I quoted this, I didn't think clearly. But then I saw it. hp claims that he's a cop who can investigate

every night

. However when the day was over, we went immediatly to day 2.
However, Tar's 13th rule states:

This is a modified Deep South setup, therefore there are no nights in this game. All abilities must be submitted during the game day and will resolve at the end of day unless otherwise stated.

There are no nights!

[hp [leaves]]

Mana_ku I'm sorry for not having ever played a Deep South setup before. I even asked Tar whether I was a daycop or a regular cop before I went V/LA. I was just confused about it.

Ok, first of all I have no knowledge of the series. When I got my role PM, I had to google Alfred Bester. I'm a cop, not a vig. I have no ability to kill. I don't even think that I have a gun, either. I also have no idea why both I and Mana_ku are still alive. Even if veerus was right and I was a shadow operative and he was a vorlon operative, we'd still both get killed day one.

Now, the possibilities:
1. Malt is scum, probably Vorlon, and is trying to get rid of me as soon as possible.
2. Both Kinetic and Malt are immune to investigation. (fat chance)
3. I got targeted by the vorlon roleblocker and mana got blocked by the shadow roleblocker. (but wouldn't we get a "you got roleblocked" message?)
4. Tar is fucking with us and all the role definitions we got are wrong.

I personally vote 1.

I also don't get why you're voting me off just because I have the ability to kill? I'm still anti-vorlon and I'd be targeting Vorlons. I had no idea that there was an Army of Light or Shadow operatives until RandomGem's role PM was revealed or Nat claimed.

[forbiddanlight]

I also don't get why you're voting me off just because I have the ability to kill?

Are you claiming an ability to kill? Because that makes you a liar.

And if Malt is lying, he has the problem of having to deal with Mana_Ku as well (provided she isn't lying)

[hp [leaves]]

No, I'm a cop. I only have to ability to inspect.

[Empking]

Vote: Farside

Fixed

[armlx]

Kinetic, I know you don't like me trying to attach the theme to everything, but this IS a Babylon 5 themed game. Roles were made with at least some connection to the series.

But designing the set up so it is breakable via theme knowledge is not balanced, and you aren't accounting for that.

[Kinetic]

Now, the possibilities:
1. Malt is scum, probably Vorlon, and is trying to get rid of me as soon as possible.

I personally vote 1.

If you personally believe that you weren't blocked, and as a cop you've cleared Malt, then he claims to have evidence which completely implicates you, how can you then believe he is scum?

Honestly, this couldn't have been a more perfect storm against you...

[hp [leaves]]

Cleared as in? I have no idea of which faction Malt is from. He is safe to claim anything now, as pop is MIA and can't counter-claim anything.

Also, the cops in this game might have 50%(or less!) success chance. It makes sense as there are more than one in this game.

[armlx]

Also, the cops in this game might have 50%(or less!) success chance. It makes sense as there are more than one in this game.

Lol. Falling back on untold %age chances.

Hint: NEVER in a well designed game will there be a role that has a %age chance of failure. Maybe a MUP (%age chance of 1 of X things), but never a pass fail %age.

[Kinetic]

Cleared as in? I have no idea of which faction Malt is from. He is safe to claim anything now, as pop is MIA and can't counter-claim anything.

Also, the cops in this game might have 50%(or less!) success chance. It makes sense as there are more than one in this game.

HP, I simply don't believe you.

However, you should look at it this way, if Malt is lying then we'll lynch him and we'll get a scum out of this either way.

[VisMaior]

Hi! This is an automated antiprod message. Please do not reply. The author of this message shall read the thread. LATER. Fisrt, he has to read the other game he is in, wich will need his full atention (and computer time) for today. Expet a more sensible message LATER. In two days.

[malthusis]

Vote: Farside

Fixed

Why?

Cleared as in? I have no idea of which faction Malt is from. He is safe to claim anything now, as pop is MIA and can't counter-claim anything.

How could Tajo (or his replacement) counterclaim my role just beacuse he's a Narn?

[malthusis]

EBWOP:

Almighty Mod: could you please prod Pacman, Cr3tin, SSK(He hasn't posted for a very, very, very long time) and tajo (If you haven't found a replacement yet.

Another notice: [hp] is now at L-2

[Tarhalindur]

"I am a Ranger! We walk in the dark places no others will enter! We stand on the bridge and no one may pass! We live for the One, we die for the One!" - Marcus Cole, among others

I am severely falling down on the daily vote count department. Sorry about that.

Still searching for a replacement for populartajo.

I just noticed that RandomGem failed to respond to his last prod. The prod in question occurred a week ago. Oops. He is being replaced. (Silly Tarhalindur, prods are meant to be followed up on.)

MafiaSSK is being prodded with a sharp stick.

Pacman281292 and cr3t1n are not yet eligible for prodding. They will be prodded if they fail to post in the next 24 hours or so.

Finally, as you might have noticed earlier, farside22 has requested replacement. *sigh* I'll get on it, I promise. - Tar

The Twenty-Seventh Vote Count (aka the "A Race Through Dark Places" Vote Count):

Vote Count:

VisMaior (0)
Empking (0)
malthusis (0)
Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon) (0)
MafiaSSK (0)
armlx (0)
forbiddanlight (0)
populartajo (0)
Mana_Ku (0)
Natirasha (0)
veerus (0)
The Internet (1) - hp [leaves]
DrippingGoofball (0)
cr3t1n (rep. Blitzer) (0)
pacman281292 (0)
RandomGem (0)
hp [leaves] (7) - malthusis, armlx, Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon), DrippingGoofball, forbiddanlight, Natirasha, veerus, Mana_Ku
farside22 (rep. Tovarish) (1) - Empking

Not Voting (8): VisMaior, MafiaSSK, populartajo, The Internet, cr3t1n, pacman281292, RandomGem, farside22

Votes required to lynch: 10

FoS Count:

VisMaior
Empking
malthusis
Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon)
MafiaSSK
armlx
forbiddanlight
populartajo
Mana_Ku
Natirasha
veerus
The Internet
DrippingGoofball
cr3t1n (rep. Blitzer)
pacman281292
RandomGem
hp [leaves]
farside22 (rep. Tovarish)

Current Deadline:

November 14, 2008 at ~6:00 P.M. (GMT -6)

First Mod Deadline Review:

November 7, 2008 at ~6:00 P.M. (GMT -6)

[pacman281292]

Mana_ku I'm sorry for not having ever played a Deep South setup before. I even asked Tar whether I was a daycop or a regular cop before I went V/LA. I was just confused about it.

Ok, first of all I have no knowledge of the series. When I got my role PM, I had to google Alfred Bester. I'm a cop, not a vig. I have no ability to kill. I don't even think that I have a gun, either. I also have no idea why both I and Mana_ku are still alive. Even if veerus was right and I was a shadow operative and he was a vorlon operative, we'd still both get killed day one.

Now, the possibilities:
1. Malt is scum, probably Vorlon, and is trying to get rid of me as soon as possible.
2. Both Kinetic and Malt are immune to investigation. (fat chance)
3. I got targeted by the vorlon roleblocker and mana got blocked by the shadow roleblocker. (but wouldn't we get a "you got roleblocked" message?)
4. Tar is fucking with us and all the role definitions we got are wrong.

I personally vote 1.

I also don't get why you're voting me off just because I have the ability to kill? I'm still anti-vorlon and I'd be targeting Vorlons. I had no idea that there was an Army of Light or Shadow operatives until RandomGem's role PM was revealed or Nat claimed.

Cops usually do have guns. No matter they don't kill. Also, docs have knives, and they do not kill.
Sorry for not posting; I'm very confused, and overloaded of games (currently playing 7, which is way over my usual limit of 4), but I'll try to keep on this
oh wait, you said shadow operative?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[cr3t1n]

Announcement: If a player is posting using something other than standard English and continues to do so after at least three other players ask that player to stop, I may give out penalties for Jackassery if I deem it appropriate. (Understand, cr3t1n.) - Tar

ur meen

The anti-shadows. Natirasha and I have claimed. There's possibly another one.

i dont no if i shud hav dun this
but im anti-shadow

i fink farside mite hav been rly confused

Hp is lying scum trying to cover her tracks with a cop claim. I am actually a Narn Gunsmith-like role, and I got a guilty read on [hp] having the ability to kill people(The flavor says I am a good judge of character, so [hp] might not nessecarily have a gun). It's also really hard to believe we have 2 cops and 2 roleblockers in the same setup.

Vote [hp] leaves

there cud b 2 cops or investigaters maebe moar

did hp say he cud kill b4?

Vote HP

Its so nice when things are that easy.

y
y dont u fink hp cud b lyk a vig?

FOS: armlx

ur not even scum hunting

Um...wow, well, with that

Unvote, Vote hp [leaves]

We all know malthy is dead if he's lying, right?

wth
he sed hp can kill not that he is scum

However, you should look at it this way, if Malt is lying then we'll lynch him and we'll get a scum out of this either way.

NO

omg

y r ppl so dum?
maebe malt isnt lieing
maebe his target was switched
maebe scum switched hp n scum


y isnt ne1 suspishus of empking?
his lurking

[Kinetic]

Lots of words that need to be written in ENGLISH

Cretin, Hp claimed COP.

HP then CLEARED Malt with his "COP" ability.

Malt then claimed he also was a cop-like and that HP was a lying bastard and that HP is a killing role, not a cop.

HP then said he wasn't a killing role.

End of story.

[cr3t1n]

HP then CLEARED Malt with his "COP" ability.

he sed he got no result

y do u fink hp or malt is lieing?

wat if hp was blockd or switched so malt investigated a killer insted?

nat claimed bus driver
maebe sum1 else was bus driver in day 1

evry1 is being lazy n followin the cop
i sed evry1 shud stop being dum n scumhunt insted!

y is hp suspishus beside malts claim?

[Kinetic]

HP then CLEARED Malt with his "COP" ability.

he sed he got no result

y do u fink hp or malt is lieing?

wat if hp was blockd or switched so malt investigated a killer insted?

nat claimed bus driver
maebe sum1 else was bus driver in day 1

evry1 is being lazy n followin the cop
i sed evry1 shud stop being dum n scumhunt insted!

y is hp suspishus beside malts claim?

We also said you should use English.

[cr3t1n]

HP then CLEARED Malt with his "COP" ability.

he sed he got no result

y do u fink hp or malt is lieing?

wat if hp was blockd or switched so malt investigated a killer insted?

nat claimed bus driver
maebe sum1 else was bus driver in day 1

evry1 is being lazy n followin the cop
i sed evry1 shud stop being dum n scumhunt insted!

y is hp suspishus beside malts claim?

We also said you should use English.

y

ur ignoring how laim ur case on hp is

[Kinetic]

HP then CLEARED Malt with his "COP" ability.

he sed he got no result

y do u fink hp or malt is lieing?

wat if hp was blockd or switched so malt investigated a killer insted?

nat claimed bus driver
maebe sum1 else was bus driver in day 1

evry1 is being lazy n followin the cop
i sed evry1 shud stop being dum n scumhunt insted!

y is hp suspishus beside malts claim?

We also said you should use English.

y

ur ignoring how laim ur case on hp is

And you're ignoring the mod. So I'm ignoring you.

[MafiaSSK]

So could of Malt been insane or a crazy cop?

[malthusis]

@ Pacman, SSK, and cr3tin


My claim:

Another fact dawned upon me as I got my results. I'm now thinking that each of the mafia's faction WC's must have mentioned their anti-factions in them for them to get the idea of claiming them, so this logically means the mafia's win conditions do not require them to kill each other. (And if their mentioned WC's had anti-factions in them, this indeed puts a lot of doubt on the people who claimed the anti-races in the first place). Another hit against Mana_Ku is that I simply don't think that Tar would put a cop in a game without a drawback or restriction.

I am not a cop, I am gunsmith-like role. I got a guilty on [hp]who claimed cop, not vig. He even denies he has any vig powers.

[DrippingGoofball]

Maybe it's my advanced age, but I'm unable to read cretin's posts.