I'm seeing a pattern of me answering Sens's question, him making it come back to same question again, and you hopping in to defend your scumbuddy because mean ol' JD is bullying him again like he always bullies peopleLord Gurgi wrote:I'm seeing a pattern of a question not being answered.SensFan wrote:JDodge wrote:You're ignoring my point and arguing the basis surrounding the point.SensFan wrote:Why should the person who happens to not be voting someone be more accountable than the 3 people who are calling for a hammer, but happen to be voting that person?JDodge wrote:If you have a good reason to hammer, then hammer already; you can justify it later. You are human. You are fallible. You are likely to be wrong. That should not stop you in the least.SensFan wrote:JDodge wrote:Then again, if by some obscene stretch of the imagination youSensFan wrote:JDodge wrote:You're not at all paying attention to what I am saying.SensFan wrote: Right. But you are saying that I'm Scum for hammering only with support of 50%+ of the Town. Surely that is the case for any hammer...
YOU YOURSELF have said, multiple times, that you waited on the hammer until you had (and I paraphrase a bit here) "at least 1 town" calling for it. Hence, you waited for3 peopleto call for the hammer.
This allows you to weasel yourself out of suspicion becausethey asked for it. Sans this confirmation, people would have basis to say "but we were just pressuring him, why the hell did you hammer on page 2", which would thus be bad for you. You saw the opportunity to hammer a townsperson with minimal suspicion being inflicted upon you, and you took it.I would never hammer anyone without 50% of the Town supporting it.aretown, you are henceforth urged to grow a pair.I have been Town before, you realize? And why should anyone end the day without a majority agreeing for a lynch? Why should my opinion override that of the majority?
However, when you try to remove self-accountability, that in and of itself is suspicious.
I am not saying that I am unaccountable. I am not saying that any of us who called for the hammer are any less accountable than you are. I am saying that your waiting until you had that safety net of 3 other people having as much accountability as you is suspicious.I don't hammer if a majority don't support it, extenuating circumstances aside. Why should my opinion be more important than the majority's?
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It's not slander nor libel if it's true.Lord Gurgi wrote:
Ad hominem, I can't tell if that's a step up or a step down from the norm.JDodge wrote:
My, your little psyche is full of cognitive biases, isn't it?Lord Gurgi wrote:
This would appear to be the basis of your mafia play.JDodge wrote:YES BECAUSE I AM NEVER WRONG
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Because nobody in this game has a life.Lord Gurgi wrote:Batt disappeared part way through Guardian's post-mortem, I smell scumlurk. Adel should also come back, but the circumstances (appear) to be different.-
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I feel like you're playing word games here. You agree that my opinion shouldn't be worth more than the majority, but I'm scummy for waiting for me to make a majority of people happy with a hammer to hammer?JDodge wrote:
Never said that. Said that you shouldn't hold back on acting on your opinion for fear of being shunned by the majority.SensFan wrote:
I don't hammer if a majority don't support it, extenuating circumstances aside. Why should my opinion be more important than the majority's?JDodge wrote:
You're ignoring my point and arguing the basis surrounding the point.SensFan wrote:
Why should the person who happens to not be voting someone be more accountable than the 3 people who are calling for a hammer, but happen to be voting that person?JDodge wrote:
If you have a good reason to hammer, then hammer already; you can justify it later. You are human. You are fallible. You are likely to be wrong. That should not stop you in the least.SensFan wrote:
I have been Town before, you realize? And why should anyone end the day without a majority agreeing for a lynch? Why should my opinion override that of the majority?JDodge wrote:
Then again, if by some obscene stretch of the imagination youSensFan wrote:
I would never hammer anyone without 50% of the Town supporting it.JDodge wrote:
You're not at all paying attention to what I am saying.SensFan wrote: Right. But you are saying that I'm Scum for hammering only with support of 50%+ of the Town. Surely that is the case for any hammer...
YOU YOURSELF have said, multiple times, that you waited on the hammer until you had (and I paraphrase a bit here) "at least 1 town" calling for it. Hence, you waited for3 peopleto call for the hammer.
This allows you to weasel yourself out of suspicion becausethey asked for it. Sans this confirmation, people would have basis to say "but we were just pressuring him, why the hell did you hammer on page 2", which would thus be bad for you. You saw the opportunity to hammer a townsperson with minimal suspicion being inflicted upon you, and you took it.aretown, you are henceforth urged to grow a pair.
However, when you try to remove self-accountability, that in and of itself is suspicious.
I am not saying that I am unaccountable. I am not saying that any of us who called for the hammer are any less accountable than you are. I am saying that your waiting until you had that safety net of 3 other people having as much accountability as you is suspicious.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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No. That last one was the closest to a real answer, before you didn't even include the term majority, or similar words. You were answering the question you wanted to answer, not what he asked.JDodge wrote:I'm seeing a pattern of me answering Sens's question, him making it come back to same question again, and you hopping in to defend your scumbuddy because mean ol' JD is bullying him again like he always bullies people(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Batt disappeared at the same time that Guardian was hammered, that stretches credulity.JDodge wrote:
Because nobody in this game has a life.Lord Gurgi wrote:Batt disappeared part way through Guardian's post-mortem, I smell scumlurk. Adel should also come back, but the circumstances (appear) to be different.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Read it again. I'm too tired to explain this for the eighth time tonight (IIRC, I lost count at around #5).SensFan wrote:
I feel like you're playing word games here. You agree that my opinion shouldn't be worth more than the majority, but I'm scummy for waiting for me to make a majority of people happy with a hammer to hammer?JDodge wrote:
Never said that. Said that you shouldn't hold back on acting on your opinion for fear of being shunned by the majority.SensFan wrote:
I don't hammer if a majority don't support it, extenuating circumstances aside. Why should my opinion be more important than the majority's?JDodge wrote:
You're ignoring my point and arguing the basis surrounding the point.SensFan wrote:
Why should the person who happens to not be voting someone be more accountable than the 3 people who are calling for a hammer, but happen to be voting that person?JDodge wrote:
If you have a good reason to hammer, then hammer already; you can justify it later. You are human. You are fallible. You are likely to be wrong. That should not stop you in the least.SensFan wrote:
I have been Town before, you realize? And why should anyone end the day without a majority agreeing for a lynch? Why should my opinion override that of the majority?JDodge wrote:
Then again, if by some obscene stretch of the imagination youSensFan wrote:
I would never hammer anyone without 50% of the Town supporting it.JDodge wrote:
You're not at all paying attention to what I am saying.
YOU YOURSELF have said, multiple times, that you waited on the hammer until you had (and I paraphrase a bit here) "at least 1 town" calling for it. Hence, you waited for3 peopleto call for the hammer.
This allows you to weasel yourself out of suspicion becausethey asked for it. Sans this confirmation, people would have basis to say "but we were just pressuring him, why the hell did you hammer on page 2", which would thus be bad for you. You saw the opportunity to hammer a townsperson with minimal suspicion being inflicted upon you, and you took it.aretown, you are henceforth urged to grow a pair.
However, when you try to remove self-accountability, that in and of itself is suspicious.
I am not saying that I am unaccountable. I am not saying that any of us who called for the hammer are any less accountable than you are. I am saying that your waiting until you had that safety net of 3 other people having as much accountability as you is suspicious.-
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Can you give me any arguments I have refuted, or at least point me to arguments I haven't, in your mind, refuted well enough?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Damn laptop, erased my whole post right when I got done with the top half....
LG:Why am I lurkerscum for posting once at the beginning of twilight and stop posting, IIRC, for 2 hours at the time of the comment? Why is Adel not lurkerscum for not posting at all?
Sens is the most likely lynch target today, yet you defend him. Why would you defend Sen by attacking JDodge's reasoning? Is it because you are trying to protect your scumbuddy?
Sens:You hammer Guardian, paraphrasing here, because at least one other townsperson was on the wagon and 3 people were calling for his lynch (who were already on the wagon). You didn't want your voice to be more important than the majority. (You also thought he was scummy for his MOS post). I see it as you finding an easy lynch, and relying on the scum numbers and the WIFOM to avoid a lynch.-
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The problem isn't that you're refuting arguments, nor that you're not refuting arguments well enough; the issue is that you're outrightSensFan wrote:Can you give me any arguments I have refuted, or at least point me to arguments I haven't, in your mind, refuted well enough?ignoring the point. The point is that you waited until you could spread out the accountability, and then defined your suspicion after-the-fact; you were attempting to make it look like you were just following the town's will when you were following your own.
I would have had no problem if you had just said "I thought he was scum, hence I hammered." I have a problem when you say "I hammered, I thought he was scum but I wanted to make sure at least town person agreed with me."
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Sure. I disagree with the point, but I see it.JDodge wrote:
The problem isn't that you're refuting arguments, nor that you're not refuting arguments well enough; the issue is that you're outrightSensFan wrote:Can you give me any arguments I have refuted, or at least point me to arguments I haven't, in your mind, refuted well enough?ignoring the point. The point is that you waited until you could spread out the accountability, and then defined your suspicion after-the-fact; you were attempting to make it look like you were just following the town's will when you were following your own.
I would have had no problem if you had just said "I thought he was scum, hence I hammered." I have a problem when you say "I hammered, I thought he was scum but I wanted to make sure at least town person agreed with me."
See my point there?
I don't know how I can better state thatI will never hammer anyone without 50% of the Town agreeing with the hammer. To do so is, in my opinion, saying my opinion is worth more than that of the majority.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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I don't know how I can better state thatSensFan wrote:
Sure. I disagree with the point, but I see it.JDodge wrote:
The problem isn't that you're refuting arguments, nor that you're not refuting arguments well enough; the issue is that you're outrightSensFan wrote:Can you give me any arguments I have refuted, or at least point me to arguments I haven't, in your mind, refuted well enough?ignoring the point. The point is that you waited until you could spread out the accountability, and then defined your suspicion after-the-fact; you were attempting to make it look like you were just following the town's will when you were following your own.
I would have had no problem if you had just said "I thought he was scum, hence I hammered." I have a problem when you say "I hammered, I thought he was scum but I wanted to make sure at least town person agreed with me."
See my point there?
I don't know how I can better state thatI will never hammer anyone without 50% of the Town agreeing with the hammer. To do so is, in my opinion, saying my opinion is worth more than that of the majority.in that case, if you by some obscene stretch of the imagination you are town, you arestronglyadvised to grow a pair.-
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Emphasises changed.JDodge wrote:
I don't know how I can better state that in that case,SensFan wrote:I don't know how I can better state that I willneverhammer anyone without 50% of the Town agreeing with the hammer. To do so is, in my opinion, saying my opinion is worth more than that of the majority.if you by some obscene stretch of the imagination you are town, you arestronglyadvised to grow a pair.
Are you implying I am never Town?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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*headdesk*SensFan wrote:
Emphasises changed.JDodge wrote:
I don't know how I can better state that in that case,SensFan wrote:I don't know how I can better state that I willneverhammer anyone without 50% of the Town agreeing with the hammer. To do so is, in my opinion, saying my opinion is worth more than that of the majority.if you by some obscene stretch of the imagination you are town, you arestronglyadvised to grow a pair.
Are you implying I am never Town?
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Right. But doesn't the fact that I do that regardless of my alignment in general mean that it has nothing to do with my alignment in this game?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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SensFan wrote:Right. But doesn't the fact that I do that regardless of my alignment in general mean that it has nothing to do with my alignment in this game?Then give examples of this behaviour in the past if you think it will clear you. I am not here to hold your hand and guide you through something that you should know by now.-
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I am not expecting you to hold my hand, and I don't think the condescending attitude was necessary, either. I am just saying that I don't see why I am being called scummy for not wanting to take advantage of a situation and hammer without a majority.JDodge wrote:SensFan wrote:Right. But doesn't the fact that I do that regardless of my alignment in general mean that it has nothing to do with my alignment in this game?Then give examples of this behaviour in the past if you think it will clear you. I am not here to hold your hand and guide you through something that you should know by now.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Your argument is that it is not scummy because you always do it. I ask for examples, and you go off on a tangent attacking the tone of my post instead of (like your buddy Flimsy seems to only be able to contribute by saying) answering the question.SensFan wrote:
I am not expecting you to hold my hand, and I don't think the condescending attitude was necessary, either. I am just saying that I don't see why I am being called scummy for not wanting to take advantage of a situation and hammer without a majority.JDodge wrote:SensFan wrote:Right. But doesn't the fact that I do that regardless of my alignment in general mean that it has nothing to do with my alignment in this game?Then give examples of this behaviour in the past if you think it will clear you. I am not here to hold your hand and guide you through something that you should know by now.-
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I had a life yesterday, and missed the madness.
So all three people voting for Guardian called for a hammer, and you assumed that the one other person besides yourself who wasn't voting for Guardian was obviously scum with Guardian? Did it occur to you that random votes don't count as legitimate suspicion?SensFan wrote:
Why should the person who happens to not be voting someone be more accountable than the 3 people who are calling for a hammer, but happen to be voting that person?JDodge wrote:
If you have a good reason to hammer, then hammer already; you can justify it later. You are human. You are fallible. You are likely to be wrong. That should not stop you in the least.SensFan wrote:
I have been Town before, you realize? And why should anyone end the day without a majority agreeing for a lynch? Why should my opinion override that of the majority?JDodge wrote:
Then again, if by some obscene stretch of the imagination youSensFan wrote:
I would never hammer anyone without 50% of the Town supporting it.JDodge wrote:
You're not at all paying attention to what I am saying.SensFan wrote:
Right. But you are saying that I'm Scum for hammering only with support of 50%+ of the Town. Surely that is the case for any hammer...JDodge wrote:
Vote =/= call for the hammer; you yourself said that page 1 votes were pretty much meaningless.SensFan wrote:Yeah, I only hammered after 3 other people voted for him. Real good scumtell there!
YOU YOURSELF have said, multiple times, that you waited on the hammer until you had (and I paraphrase a bit here) "at least 1 town" calling for it. Hence, you waited for3 peopleto call for the hammer.
This allows you to weasel yourself out of suspicion becausethey asked for it. Sans this confirmation, people would have basis to say "but we were just pressuring him, why the hell did you hammer on page 2", which would thus be bad for you. You saw the opportunity to hammer a townsperson with minimal suspicion being inflicted upon you, and you took it.aretown, you are henceforth urged to grow a pair.
However, when you try to remove self-accountability, that in and of itself is suspicious.
you aren't new to mafia. How often do 75% of townies randomly vote for the same person by page 2? (hint: never)SensFan wrote:
Yeah, I only hammered after 3 other people voted for him. Real good scumtell there!JDodge wrote:
I've answered your question multiple times. You only showed suspicion after the fact, AND only showed enough suspicion to hammer onceSensFan wrote:
Now see, that's complete bullshit. Do I need to point out the (now 4) times I've said I found him scummy?JDodge wrote:You're scummy for hammering someone on a case you didn't believe in on the basis of pandering to the majority.
More to the point, stop avoiding the question. Why am I scummy for doing something you would have done, but waiting to make sure at least 1 other Town person agrees?you precieved that it was safe to do so, because a majority makeup of the town tomorrow agreed with you..
when posted on page 1 most certainly isn't the same as calling for a hammer. I think it is very interesting that you consider it to be the same as calling for a hammer.Adel wrote:Scum Fight!
y don't juz lynch Guardian now, plz?
How many times can we mislynch before the town loses?
Your hammer is scummy as hell. I was really hoping that due to an intentional formatting error your hammer wouldn't count (a tactic I've used more than a couple of times) but you even erred on the side of caution by unvoting before you cast the hammer.-
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your hammer is scummy exactly because you took advantage of a situation.SensFan wrote:
I am not expecting you to hold my hand, and I don't think the condescending attitude was necessary, either. I am just saying that I don't see why I am being called scummy for not wanting to take advantage of a situation and hammer without a majority.JDodge wrote:SensFan wrote:Right. But doesn't the fact that I do that regardless of my alignment in general mean that it has nothing to do with my alignment in this game?Then give examples of this behaviour in the past if you think it will clear you. I am not here to hold your hand and guide you through something that you should know by now.
I guess you just aren't used to this level of play. Your transparent attempt to evade being held responsible for a hammer isn't going to work. A hammer by a genuine townie on page 2 would have some significant reason behind it, other than "the random bullshit of the random voting stage left him at lynch -1".
I'm certainly not going to allow an unjustified hammer on page 2 to fly in this or in any other game I ever play.-
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