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Revised.JDodge wrote:
I am almost completely apathetic about this statement. A little curious as to why you think I'm town, yet apathetic.Lord Gurgi wrote:JDodgeismay be (~65%) town. This is based on meta. It will additionally be based upon his response to this statement. Let's see where it goes.
Batt, that was a very good post to say absolutely nothing.
In other news, why is Guardian still breathing?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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No. He doesn't grasp his own meta.Battousai wrote:
Doesn't stating the above italic sentence negates your ability to formulate a hypothesis towards Jdodge's guilt based on the idea that Jdodge is now aware that you are looking for a certain reaction from him?Lord Gurgi wrote:JDodge is town. This is based on meta. It willadditionally be based upon his response to this statement.Let's see where it goes.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Someone do it. Now, please, I want to end this on page two.JDodge wrote:
Because people are complete pussies.Lord Gurgi wrote:
Revised.JDodge wrote:
I am almost completely apathetic about this statement. A little curious as to why you think I'm town, yet apathetic.Lord Gurgi wrote:JDodgeismay be (~65%) town. This is based on meta. It will additionally be based upon his response to this statement. Let's see where it goes.
Batt, that was a very good post to say absolutely nothing.
In other news, why is Guardian still breathing?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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No. I have a reliable meta on him. He didn't quite obey it, hence the drop to may be.Battousai wrote:
What I meant was that you basically said, "I think Jdodge is town because of his meta, unless he reacts scummy when I post this." I guess for my post to actually say something like your meaningful "why is Guardian still breathing? post," I should add in: I think you posted the meta/plus disclaimer post so as to appear to side with JDodge, but if he does something scummy you can fall back on and still say you had doubts because of his ambigous response to that post.Lord Gurgi wrote:
Revised.JDodge wrote:
I am almost completely apathetic about this statement. A little curious as to why you think I'm town, yet apathetic.Lord Gurgi wrote:JDodgeismay be (~65%) town. This is based on meta. It will additionally be based upon his response to this statement. Let's see where it goes.
Batt, that was a very good post to say absolutely nothing.
In other news, why is Guardian still breathing?
Also, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee hammer on page two.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Sorry, I assumed that the rules prohibited that. I didn't want to violate the rules, if you feel like lynching me for that, there's no hope left for the game.JDodge wrote:
Is he dead yet? No. Why do you want someone who will apparently come up town to shut up?Lord Gurgi wrote:
I expected better, Guardian.andersonw wrote:7. When you die, you may make a "bah!" post, but nothing game-related.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Because you lodged a serious accusation at me, why so flippant?JDodge wrote:
Why so defensive, Flimsy?Lord Gurgi wrote:
Sorry, I assumed that the rules prohibited that. I didn't want to violate the rules, if you feel like lynching me for that, there's no hope left for the game.JDodge wrote:
Is he dead yet? No. Why do you want someone who will apparently come up town to shut up?Lord Gurgi wrote:
I expected better, Guardian.andersonw wrote:7. When you die, you may make a "bah!" post, but nothing game-related.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Welcome to mafia, it is a serious accusation to say I wanted to cut off discussion. I wanted to follow the rules, because I thought he had to stop talking.JDodge wrote:When did I ever accuse you?
I asked you why you wanted someone who will come up town to shut up. I never said anything accusatory.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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That sounds like a good excuse to waive off suspicion of Adel.JDodge wrote:
I think lynching Sens is better than lynching Adel thanks to Adel's tendency towards gambitting, meaning that any tells on her are less solid.Guardian wrote:if you have any questions for me or comments on my analysis of the game please present it now. I feel about 85% confident in it.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Huh?SensFan wrote:
2 people were calling for a hammer so I went back and looked at your play thus far. I didn't like you trying to make someone unlynchable, but I thought maybe it was Adel/JDodge scumpair. When Gurgi also called for a hammer, I knew that at least one of them was Town, so I hammered.Guardian wrote:wait -- also -- SF, what reason did you have to vote me, if any?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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I followed that through, I ignored your 'curiosity' because I think it's a load of garbage. Also, JDodge, you're an accusatory person, I read your posts with your aggressive personality in mind.JDodge wrote:
No. It is not. It is curiosity. You define it as an accusation because:Lord Gurgi wrote:
Welcome to mafia, it is a serious accusation to say I wanted to cut off discussion. I wanted to follow the rules, because I thought he had to stop talking.JDodge wrote:When did I ever accuse you?
I asked you why you wanted someone who will come up town to shut up. I never said anything accusatory.
A. You were expecting something accusatory from me
B. It nicely takes all discussion involving you off of the "why is JD town to you" thing which you decided to waffle on.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Didn't answer my question, try again.JDodge wrote:
One scum lynch is worth too. It's playing to confidence instead of playing to likelihood.Lord Gurgi wrote:
That sounds like a good excuse to waive off suspicion of Adel.JDodge wrote:
I think lynching Sens is better than lynching Adel thanks to Adel's tendency towards gambitting, meaning that any tells on her are less solid.Guardian wrote:if you have any questions for me or comments on my analysis of the game please present it now. I feel about 85% confident in it.
Guardian: The issue I have with your Adel theory is that it is based on her information gathering-oriented playstyle. Are you arguing that your lynch willnotgain us more information than discussing things ad nauseum?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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This is my general opinion, but with less profanity. Discarding the fear of WIFOM, I don't think he would do this as scum. Unless he does gambit as much as he says he does. Going to have to think about this.JDodge wrote:
There were 3 people voting him. Of course there was at least one town person comfortable with the lynch.SensFan wrote:
I found you suspicious, but not suspicious enough to hammer with potentially only the Scum calling for a lynch. When Gurgi chimed in, I knew there was at least one Town person comfortable with your lynch, so I hammered.Guardian wrote:
so one or two townies and one or two scum wanted me hammered... ergo you hammered?SensFan wrote:
2 people were calling for a hammer so I went back and looked at your play thus far. I didn't like you trying to make someone unlynchable, but I thought maybe it was Adel/JDodge scumpair. When Gurgi also called for a hammer, I knew that at least one of them was Town, so I hammeredGuardian wrote:wait -- also -- SF, what reason did you have to vote me, if any?
you say you looked at my play -- what if anything was suspicious about it?
As I said, I really didn't like the whole MOS thing.
Don't get me wrong, the lynch was just what this game needed to get kick-started - but your pretense for hammering is bullshit.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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I have a problem with this, everyone excluding SensFan and Batt were calling hard for your lynch. Explain why JDodge and myself are not scummy for doing so.Guardian wrote:sensfan -- it wud have been nice to say you were suspicious of me, and why, and let me respond to it -- before hammering.
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Hey unilateral decision and planning, now you're tilting scum, good job.JDodge wrote:
Hello tomorrow's lynch.SensFan wrote:
Fair enough, though I think everyone on the wagon is just as accountable for the fact you were lynched as I was, since they were all calling for a lynch.Guardian wrote:sensfan -- it wud have been nice to say you were suspicious of me, and why, and let me respond to it -- before hammering.
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Answer the question.JDodge wrote:
I've answered your question multiple times. You only showed suspicion after the fact, AND only showed enough suspicion to hammer onceSensFan wrote:
Now see, that's complete bullshit. Do I need to point out the (now 4) times I've said I found him scummy?JDodge wrote:You're scummy for hammering someone on a case you didn't believe in on the basis of pandering to the majority.
More to the point, stop avoiding the question. Why am I scummy for doing something you would have done, but waiting to make sure at least 1 other Town person agrees?you precieved that it was safe to do so, because a majority makeup of the town tomorrow agreed with you..(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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No. You have made a statement that is a sad attempt to weasel out of self-incrimination.JDodge wrote:I HAVE ANSWERED THE GODDAMN FUCKING QUESTION AT LEAST 5 FUCKING TIMES BY NOW. LEARN HOW TO READ OR CEASE TO PLAY THE GAME. THANKS.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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What would your reasons to hammer be?JDodge wrote:
If he had just hammered (with an actual reason), then he could deliver a logical explanation and thus not come under suspicion. There is no logical reason beyond self-preservation to wait until he saw people wanted a hammer and then do so.Lord Gurgi wrote:JDodge, explain why what you are arguing is not a situation of "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't."(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Excusing yourself from a lynch, etc.JDodge wrote:
I saw the clear percieved link between Guardian and Batt. I was certain from Guardian's reaction he was scum. That would've been my reason. Again, human, fallible, wrong, mistakes, etc.Lord Gurgi wrote:
What would your reasons to hammer be?JDodge wrote:
If he had just hammered (with an actual reason), then he could deliver a logical explanation and thus not come under suspicion. There is no logical reason beyond self-preservation to wait until he saw people wanted a hammer and then do so.Lord Gurgi wrote:JDodge, explain why what you are arguing is not a situation of "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't."(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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I'm seeing a pattern of a question not being answered.SensFan wrote:JDodge wrote:
You're ignoring my point and arguing the basis surrounding the point.SensFan wrote:
Why should the person who happens to not be voting someone be more accountable than the 3 people who are calling for a hammer, but happen to be voting that person?JDodge wrote:
If you have a good reason to hammer, then hammer already; you can justify it later. You are human. You are fallible. You are likely to be wrong. That should not stop you in the least.SensFan wrote:JDodge wrote:
Then again, if by some obscene stretch of the imagination youSensFan wrote:JDodge wrote:
You're not at all paying attention to what I am saying.SensFan wrote:
Right. But you are saying that I'm Scum for hammering only with support of 50%+ of the Town. Surely that is the case for any hammer...JDodge wrote:
Vote =/= call for the hammer; you yourself said that page 1 votes were pretty much meaningless.
YOU YOURSELF have said, multiple times, that you waited on the hammer until you had (and I paraphrase a bit here) "at least 1 town" calling for it. Hence, you waited for3 peopleto call for the hammer.
This allows you to weasel yourself out of suspicion becausethey asked for it. Sans this confirmation, people would have basis to say "but we were just pressuring him, why the hell did you hammer on page 2", which would thus be bad for you. You saw the opportunity to hammer a townsperson with minimal suspicion being inflicted upon you, and you took it.I would never hammer anyone without 50% of the Town supporting it.aretown, you are henceforth urged to grow a pair.I have been Town before, you realize? And why should anyone end the day without a majority agreeing for a lynch? Why should my opinion override that of the majority?
However, when you try to remove self-accountability, that in and of itself is suspicious.
I am not saying that I am unaccountable. I am not saying that any of us who called for the hammer are any less accountable than you are. I am saying that your waiting until you had that safety net of 3 other people having as much accountability as you is suspicious.I don't hammer if a majority don't support it, extenuating circumstances aside. Why should my opinion be more important than the majority's?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Ad hominem, I can't tell if that's a step up or a step down from the norm.JDodge wrote:
My, your little psyche is full of cognitive biases, isn't it?Lord Gurgi wrote:
This would appear to be the basis of your mafia play.JDodge wrote:YES BECAUSE I AM NEVER WRONG
Get over your selective perception, Flimsy.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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No. That last one was the closest to a real answer, before you didn't even include the term majority, or similar words. You were answering the question you wanted to answer, not what he asked.JDodge wrote:I'm seeing a pattern of me answering Sens's question, him making it come back to same question again, and you hopping in to defend your scumbuddy because mean ol' JD is bullying him again like he always bullies people(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Batt disappeared at the same time that Guardian was hammered, that stretches credulity.JDodge wrote:
Because nobody in this game has a life.Lord Gurgi wrote:Batt disappeared part way through Guardian's post-mortem, I smell scumlurk. Adel should also come back, but the circumstances (appear) to be different.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Because you disappearedBattousai wrote:LG:Why am I lurkerscum for posting once at the beginning of twilight and stop posting, IIRC, for 2 hours at the time of the comment? Why is Adel not lurkerscum for not posting at all?aswe got an opportunity to talk with confirmed town, and it was odd that you left at the same time. Coincidence really is a stretch. Whereas Adel had disappeared sometime earlier.
This is horrible reasoning. Purely because he is the most likely lynch does not mean he is scum. I'd like to see some arguments from you, rather than sitting back as you are. JDodge's reasoningBattousai wrote:Sens is the most likely lynch target today, yet you defend him. Why would you defend Sen by attacking JDodge's reasoning? Is it because you are trying to protect your scumbuddy?alwaysneeds to be attacked because he diverts to semantics and ad hominem if someone doesn't control him. Points for a loaded question, though.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Adel: Once you're done with this line of questioning, can you give us some information? I'm pretty bad at meta-reads based on reading, and only really trust what I get from playing with them. That said, I'd like to know what you're thinking.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Not to be rude, but I really don't have the time to be doing this for multiple hours, in addition, do you not think that his meta could have changed over a long period of play? I know mine has changed dramatically since October.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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How about now, Batt, you've been posting occasionally, and have not given anything. This new return is not helpful, either. In addition, you're couching questions to JDodge with the answers pre-baked in.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Meta is not the same as personality. You're getting towards proving me right, though.JDodge wrote:
AGAIN:Lord Gurgi wrote:
This is horrible reasoning. Purely because he is the most likely lynch does not mean he is scum. I'd like to see some arguments from you, rather than sitting back as you are. JDodge's reasoningBattousai wrote:Sens is the most likely lynch target today, yet you defend him. Why would you defend Sen by attacking JDodge's reasoning? Is it because you are trying to protect your scumbuddy?alwaysneeds to be attacked because he diverts to semantics and ad hominem if someone doesn't control him. Points for a loaded question, though.
# of forum games you have played with me in them: 0
# of IRC games: countless
IRC =/= forums.
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See: First quote.Lord Gurgi wrote:Not to be rude, but I really don't have the time to be doing this for multiple hours, in addition, do you not think that his meta could have changed over a long period of play? I know mine has changed dramatically since October.
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Easy to say, really. I'm not seeing in depth meta analysis from you.JDodge wrote:
Finally, someone else who understands the game as a whole.Adel wrote:
That is the point behind sorting his games into town windows and scum windows. That controls for general shifts in playstyle against time.Lord Gurgi wrote:Not to be rude, but I really don't have the time to be doing this for multiple hours, in addition, do you not think that his meta could have changed over a long period of play? I know mine has changed dramatically since October.
If you don't have time to spend several hours building player specific metas, I don't think you have a chance of meeting your potential as a forum mafia player. This is a formatt that rewards hard work and diligence.
This is the same that Sens says, sans waiting for the majority, and with the addition of policy lynch.JDodge wrote:
Because I feel Guardian would be a detriment to the town regardless of alignment. Because I thought Guardian was likely scum. Because I thought the info we would get out of it would be amazing (and it is!).Batt wrote:JDodge: Why would you hammer Guardian on page 2? His MOS, IMO, was just him trying to get out of the random stage by discussing theory and get reactions (unfortunately the reaction was to lynch him). Don't you think it would have been best if he wasn't hammered so as to get as much info towards the next lynch on the off chance that he wasn't scum?
Try to be mature, please.JDodge wrote:
What exactly are you smoking and where can I get some?Lord Gurgi wrote:How about now, Batt, you've been posting occasionally, and have not given anything. This new return is not helpful, either. In addition, you're couching questions to JDodge with the answers pre-baked in.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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There you go. Logic is gone, ad hominem has resumed. Can I get some confirmation from other people that he's just attacking me at this point?JDodge wrote:
Personal policy - I do not release my meta information on players.Flimsy wrote:Easy to say, really. I'm not seeing in depth meta analysis from you.
I'm going to ignore the rest of your points as you clearly have:
A. No clue what I'm talking about
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This seems like a discussion for MD, not a game thread, if you don't mind my saying. Yes, the general skill level is dropping, yes, cutting statements for good effect does swing people, yes, you should have come back, people need a model.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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A page two hammer happened. You were on that wagon. And now you have a problem with it? I have always said that if you aren't ready for a wagon to go to lynch, get the freak off it. Why are are you not subject to this?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Fixed. A bit angry, and a bit rushed.Lord Gurgi wrote:A page two hammer happened. You were on that wagon. You were pushing for the lynch, serious or not. And now you have a problem with it? I have always said that if you aren't ready for a wagon to go to lynch, get the freak off it. Why are are you not subject to this?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Evidence. Now.SensFan wrote:
Making sure this isn't missed in the page break. This has been taken way the fuck out of context. Furthermore, I can show a ton of examples of where I have "random" voted, and I can only assume Adel, who has apparently read every post I have made 4+ times, has seen these examples I speak of.Adel wrote:
He did declare, as town, that he never random votes.Adel wrote:For example, if you had declared (as town) that you never random vote, and you never have random voted as town, it would pretty damning if you've random voted in 3 or 4 games as scum since you random voted in this game. It wouldn't be lynch-worth evidence in isolation, but you did hammer without good reason on page 2 in this six player game.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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At the risk of her just making a mistake, I'd like some more evidence. I don't buy two or three mistakes. Adel, response please.SensFan wrote:Hey Adel. Mini 643, Time Capsule Mafia. My most recently-completed game as Town.
I RANDOM-VOTED!
Do I need to dig up more examples?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Why did you not bother to check the above one?Adel wrote:
Yes, you totally do. I didn't bother to check that one, since it was the last one, and I was out of patience... besides my case against you really depends upon:SensFan wrote:Hey Adel. Mini 643, Time Capsule Mafia. My most recently-completed game as Town.
I RANDOM-VOTED!
Do I need to dig up more examples?
1. you hammering on page 2
2. you not being a total idiot(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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...That is semantics, and bad semantics, at that.Adel wrote:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8464 link to that game.SensFan wrote:Mini 604, ooba Mafia. I "random"-voted. I was Town.
Note that I never actually vote randomly, I vote arbitrarily; which is exactly the misrep Adel is trying to use on me.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Adel wrote:As far as getting a meta read, here is one approach:
1. Open up all of his games in tabs, & place games as scum in one window, and games as town in another window. Try to actually sort them correctly.
2. Skim the first three or four pages of each game. Do it again. Take a break for a few hours, and skim them all again.
3. Sort each game to only display all posts by SensFan. Skim the first 20 or so posts from each of those games. Do it again. Take a break for a few hours and do it again.
4. Re-read the first few pages of this game.
5. Sort all of the posts by SensFan in this game.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Why tell me to do something you don't use yourself?Adel wrote:
I've taken a two month break, and I never use a methodology consistently.Lord Gurgi wrote:Adel wrote:As far as getting a meta read, here isoneapproach:
1. Open up all of his games in tabs, & place games as scum in one window, and games as town in another window. Try to actually sort them correctly.
2. Skim the first three or four pages of each game. Do it again. Take a break for a few hours, and skim them all again.
3. Sort each game to only display all posts by SensFan. Skim the first 20 or so posts from each of those games. Do it again. Take a break for a few hours and do it again.
4. Re-read the first few pages of this game.
5. Sort all of the posts by SensFan in this game.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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This requires the townie in question to believe that you are in fact, a townie.Adel wrote:Just so that it isn't lost by the page break -- both SensFan and I are at one vote. With two living scum players, one additional vote by a townie on a townie yields a scum victory.
Notice that when I voted for SensFan he simply placed a vote on me in exchange.
Wouldn't a genuine townie consider that perhaps I was suffering from townie-tunnel vision and do something to encourage me to unvote, rather than just antagonizing me?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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I covered this.Lord Gurgi wrote:
Fixed. A bit angry, and a bit rushed.Lord Gurgi wrote:A page two hammer happened. You were on that wagon. You were pushing for the lynch, serious or not. And now you have a problem with it? I have always said that if you aren't ready for a wagon to go to lynch, get the freak off it. Why are are you not subject to this?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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With all this horrible logic flying around, the blatant backtracking, and the massive amounts of ad hominem that are spewing from JDodge and Adel, this decision has been made easy for me. If you two are allowed to win for simply badmouthing, then I too, give up hope for this game. I am appalled at the play of the so-called "pros". This is sub-par by any standards. This, in addition to their general play, self-absolution, and false arguments, it is clear to me.Vote: Adel.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Explain to me, how anything that you just said is not ad hominem.JDodge wrote:
And where the fuck are the examples of "OH I ALWAYS ASK BEFORE I HAMMER A DUR DE HUR DE HUR" that I asked for ages ago?SensFan wrote:
Really? Because I very clearly gave 2 examples off me "random" voting as Town, and its Adel that has since backed up.JDodge wrote:Note that whenever asked to back up his claims, Sens goes off on a tangent.
You are a complete and utter retard when it comes to mafia. Read some basic texts on logic and fucking reasoning and then get back to me.Lord Gurgi wrote:With all this horrible logic flying around, the blatant backtracking, and the massive amounts of ad hominem that are spewing from JDodge and Adel, this decision has been made easy for me. If you two are allowed to win for simply badmouthing, then I too, give up hope for this game. I am appalled at the play of the so-called "pros". This is sub-par by any standards. This, in addition to their general play, self-absolution, and false arguments, it is clear to me.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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I made a statement. You respond by insulting my intelligence and calling me a retard. That ignores my statement, and is toward my personality and characteristics.
An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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You did not explain in the least how what you said was not ad hominem, you said I was merely spouting buzzwords instead, explain, please.JDodge wrote:
Read the actual response instead of the vitriol that it is buried in and you'll see I've answered every question that's been asked of me. You refuse to read them because you're so UPSET that someone would DARE to insult YOU of all people.Lord Gurgi wrote:I made a statement. You respond by insulting my intelligence and calling me a retard. That ignores my statement, and is toward my personality and characteristics.
An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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So, now you have absolutely no reason not to be voting Adel. Except, if you prefer lynching someone who hammered the same wagon you said you would, over someone who attempted to absolve them self of all connection to it.JDodge wrote:Hey there Sens! Explain how what you're doing now is any different from what Adel did then.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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