Mini 697: Prisoner's Dilemma Mafia {Game Over!}

[icemanE]

I advocate sending OP again - I'd like to piece together whether or not he has anything to do with this break-in. Seems like it'd be a lot easier to "break in" if you're already "in". I think we should send Spring now because of this:

If we all decide to send any suspected of being scum, I am going to send Spring again as I still believe the plan to be intended town distraction.

He might be right.

send: OP
send: Spring

[orangepenguin]

Since it seems as if the town is deciding on scummy players to jail, I understand being sent again. I obviously look scummy, since Crazy died. I think the flavor pretty much rules me out though, but that's from my perspective. In my PM that told me the result, it even mentioned the stranger breaking in. Didn't mention Crazy dying though, so I didn't find that out until I read the thread, like everyone else. I voted no. I never even got to interrogate him.

The Police Chief shows up as well and announces, "There has been a break-in last night at the prison. An unidentified suspect broke through various levels of security and managed to kill Crazy in one of the interrogation rooms. Nobody else was hurt. Orangepenguin was released from prison without completing the interrogation process."

An unidentified suspect broke through various levels of security. Now, had I been the stranger, I wouldn't have needed to break in, I was already there. So was Crazy. Since it was through various levels and stuff, that indicates an outside source. "..without completing the interrogation process" means I didn't even get to ask my question. Even if I said yes, it wouldn't have done a thing, because Crazy was killed.

If the consensus is that I am the most scummy, I will send myself again. Don't care.

[icemanE]

I think it's probably worth sending you again for the info and because last night's efforts weren't successful - it could easily have been a mafia buddy of yours breaking in to save you from interrogation.

[orangepenguin]

True - that would make a lot of sense, I guess, if I truly was mafia. If it helps the town for information, I will

send: op

. Maybe it is in the town's best interest to send scummy people there? Or 1 scummy person, and 1 pro-town player? I will send

Send: Springlullaby

for now though, because her plan could've distracted the town.

[springlullaby]

I'm refusing the allegations that my plan was to distract the town, I proposed it sincerely, and people adopted it at their liberty. This allegation is also quite weak because had I know what would happen, it wouldn't have been a smart move of me to propose a plan that was destined to fail and frame me the next day.

I agree that it is best to send people who we think are scummy from now on.

send:slysly
send:orangepenguin

humscunter and Carncarn are on my whitelist atm.

[springlullaby]

EBWOP

send:slysly
send: dragonofsummer

[TonyMontana]

Send:slysly
Send:OP

If that kill wasn't a one-shot, then this game is broken.

[RedCoyote]

quote="TonyMontana"]If that kill wasn't a one-shot, then this game is broken. [/quote]

I agree one hundred percent. I've reread it as many times as I'd like to, and the only logical assumption I can make is that either scum used some sort of one-time power to confuse us, or there is a town role that has a one-time power (but God only knows why any town-sided role would confuse us like this).

If the people we send to jail are going to die every night, then we might as well just roll dice every night and play tic-tac-toe until the mafia kill us all. In other words, I'm considering this game officially broken if the mafia (or some third party) can completely ruin our seemingly only means of getting information.

This allegation is also quite weak because had I know what would happen, it wouldn't have been a smart move of me to propose a plan that was destined to fail and frame me the next day.

I brought some cheese for us to share whilst we sip from the wine you just put in front of me, hon.

XD

Seriously though, something tells me spring is ok. I'm personally going to need more of an argument than "she was trying to come up with a plan... the plan didn't work so she must be mafia".

I think we can agree that from now on, we only send suspicious felons to prison.

Then why are we voting Sly?

I don't know, it seems like everyone has their own ideas of what to do.

send: CarnCarn
send: SlySly

hehehe

[icemanE]

I'm personally going to need more of an argument than "she was trying to come up with a plan... the plan didn't work so she must be mafia".

We aren't lynching her. We're sending her to jail.

[SlySly]

All this voting with so little reasons to support the voting. Are we trying to rush through this day like we did yesterday? The results of yesterday were not exactly good, I don't understand the rush, unless of course the rushers are scum.

[TonyMontana]

I just don't understand how it matters who we send in... I mean, all we can do is send in two people and request they answer no. And now, hoping no one NKs a prisoner.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Prison Count #6

4 - SlySly (CarnCarn, springlullaby, TonyMontana, RedCoyote)
3 - orangepenguin (icemanE, orangepenguin, TonyMontana)

2 - springlullaby (icemanE, orangepenguin)
1 - Seraphim (CarnCarn)
1 - DragonsofSummer (springlullaby)
1 - CarnCarn (RedCoyote)

Not Yet Voted:

Albert B. Rampage (2)
humscunter (2)
Seraphim (2)
SlySly (2)
DragonsofSummer (2)

Remember the majority is 6 and the deadline is 4PM Eastern November 24th!

[DragonsofSummer]

send SlySly

send Orangepenguin

[SlySly]

Basically an entire day was wasted imo.

I guess you think basically wasting another day is okay now, interesting.

I'm not against being sent, but I would sure like to hear the reasoning for sending me as there has not been any reasoning for the voting of me put forth as of yet and there are definitely others acting scummy today so far. I will be glad to point the scumminess out if anyone is interested.

[Seraphim]

Sorry about not posting, folks. Our school is performing the musical and I'm in the pit which takes a lot of time and energy. >_<

I'll have a post with more information later.

[Seraphim]

Alrighty. I'm going to

Send: Springlullaby

I'm pretty sure she is town right now. While her attempts to break the game may looked slightly odd, I believe her attempts to help us out point out a town player. Plus, her plan revealed the possibility of break-in NKs.

and

Send: orangepenguin

I want to see how this turns out. If OP is indeed scum and the kill was scumbuddy aid, I think another visit to the slammer will decide that for sure.

[icemanE]

I will be glad to point the scumminess out if anyone is interested.

I'd like to see what you have to say, as I also have no clue why you've been selected.

[RedCoyote]

I'm personally going to need more of an argument than "she was trying to come up with a plan... the plan didn't work so she must be mafia".

We aren't lynching her. We're sending her to jail.

First of all, I still don't think we've come to a concensus as to whether or not jail is a bad thing.

Secondly, I was more addressing the mentality of you, Sly, and OP that spring's plan was a possible scum tactic. I'm just not convinced of that yet.

The only thing I'm going off of at the moment is that we don't want to be mixing scum and town in jail at the same time. I think we did that D1 and we all saw the results of that.

[orangepenguin]

I don't really believe that it was a scum tactic, but like you said, it's possible. But considering Spring made the plan, and I have nothing else really to send people to jail to for, it makes the most sense, besides myself.

[springlullaby]

I'm sending Slysly and DOS because I find them scummy.

Slysly: dice incident, http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=175 bad vibe from that post

DOS: lurking

[Albert B. Rampage]

When you send someone, specify whether you find them scummy or not and for what reasons.

[icemanE]

When you send someone, specify whether you find them scummy or not and for what reasons.

OP - Scummy, but only because of the events of last night (the break-in).

Spring - Suspicious, because of the oversimplified plan.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I want to see how this turns out. If OP is indeed scum and the kill was scumbuddy aid, I think another visit to the slammer will decide that for sure.

Makes sense.

Send: Spring

Send: orange

[springlullaby]

Iceman, you defended that plan, why am I the one to be suspected of it?

Orange Penguin, if you are town, why do you want to be sent to prison?

[CarnCarn]

Why shouldn't OP just claim at this point? Even just a soft claim would help pin him down the rest of the game if he's scum. I don't really understand the rush to send him back, especially if you think he's scum and the NK was part of his doing.

I will elaborate on my position about why sending 2 scum into prison is a good idea for town, and bad for scum. First of all, it simply makes no sense for theme to actually reward scum when they are put in jail by town (when does that ever make sense??); those who argue otherwise are either really short-sighted, without an eye on the big picture, or scum trying to confuse town.
Second, I actually asked the mod about this in the pregame phase. I wondered why scum wouldn't want to be in prison, since (and he has confirmed this to me), scum do indeed know each other's identities and could seemingly manipulate the system to get put in jail and gain abilities. When I pointed this out, the mod replied, essentially, that it is not that simple (ask him about this, I dare ya).

This leads me to believe that there is indeed some penalty to scum for ending up in jail together. So, basically, we need to scumhunt as usual and make the best effort to send the two scummiest players to prison each night.