Mini 687 - Time Abuse Mafia (Game Over in Epic Fashion)

[Grandfather Time]

Votecount

Vi --- 1 {pickemgenius}
Forbiddanlight --- 1 {Netlava}
Cruciare --- 1 {Vi}
melikefood --- 1 {MafiaSSK}
Netlava --- 1 {Forbiddanlight}

None --- 5 {Cruciare, Qwints, melikefood, RossWilliam, Vi}

Mainframe

Temporal Stability, nominal.
Energy Reserves, stable.
Subjects living, ten.
Quorum value, six.

Option Count

Option A --- 2 {Vi, RossWilliam}
Option B --- 3 {pickemgenius, Cruciare, qwints}
Option C --- 4 {Forbiddanlight, Natirasha, melikefood, Netlava}
Option D --- 1 {MafiaSSK}

None --- 0 {None}

Touch Count

For the rekord, these votes will not mean anything until an option has been chosen.

Netlava --- 4 {pickemgenius, Vi, RossWilliam, qwints}
Qwints --- 4 {pickemgenius, Natirasha, Netlava, qwints}
Vi --- 3 {Vi, RossWilliam, melikefood}
Forbiddanlight --- 3 {Forbiddanlight, Ross William, melikefood}
RossWilliam --- 1 {RossWilliam}

[Vi]

I'm following my gut. The discussion about your avatar while the deadline approaches is suspicious.

I'll point out that the discussion about the avatar is there mostly as filler since there's nothing else of note going on (at least IMO). You're more than welcome to derail us with any more relevant conversation of your own.

As far as voting goes, it will be tough to do today because there's not much that has happened so far to polarize discussions or opinions. I'm pretty sure in the original topic this game was already specified to be vanillaless, so any Town-side loss will be a bigger deal than usual. Scum can stack kills regardless *unless* we hit the person who made the N0 kill, which I think is unlikely. I think/hope this Objekt thing, regardless of what occurs, will make for enough of a division between us that we can get better opinions on who to lynch, because I feel that at this point a lynch would be somewhat arbitrary.

In short, I'm seriously considering No Lynch.

[melikefood]

Kay, I'm back.
There was this other internet thing going on and I totally got absorbed into it.

@SSK
This game's been pretty slow altogether.
How would you say I'm more skummy that other lurkers?

I don't lurk, I just stop posting here and go to my Facebook for a day or so.

@Netlava
Assertive? I don't really think so.

[qwints]

vote: melikefood

Excuses for inactivity, complaining about a slow game and failing to comment about any other player. That's a vote.

[Netlava]

Hmm, I'm pretty pleased how this turned out, since forbiddan's reaction is noteworthy.

Fail

Eh? In what way does it fail?

I think the object touching game will lead to another deadline extension.

What makes you think this? There hasn't been anything to indicate this and it's risky to bank on it.

I'm not overworried, and I think you are trying to push us too quickly.

Yeah, this is scummy, because I doubt your sincerity when you say stuff like this, especially since the deadline is just around the corner.

I think/hope this Objekt thing, regardless of what occurs, will make for enough of a division between us that we can get better opinions on who to lynch, because I feel that at this point a lynch would be somewhat arbitrary.

Imo, this objekt thing seems like a crapshoot. I can lean either way. I don't think any useful information will be gained from it since we don't know the consequences.

I'm curious what everyone else thinks about a lynch as opposed to a no lynch. I think a lynch is important in our current situation, or at least some sort of pressure for the scum or else they can do whatever they want at their leisure.

@ melikefood

So, I'm thinking if Skatterd's role klaim is true, then it was put in to konfuse us.

Not sure what you mean when you say it was put in to confuse us. Could you clarify?

[forbiddanlight]

Eh? In what way does it fail?

You can't defend gut because it's an intangible case. Ignored, so you fail

What makes you think this? There hasn't been anything to indicate this and it's risky to bank on it.

Gee, maybe because every OTHER event has extended deadline? Nice try.

Yeah, this is scummy, because I doubt your sincerity when you say stuff like this, especially since the deadline is just around the corner.

Except it likely isn't. Quit trying to push that.

Happy with my vote.

[melikefood]

@ melikefood

So, I'm thinking if Skatterd's role klaim is true, then it was put in to konfuse us.

Not sure what you mean when you say it was put in to confuse us. Could you clarify?

I was thinking at that moment that his claim was put in by the mod to throw us off due to the way roles are activated in this game.

[Netlava]

You can't defend gut because it's an intangible case. Ignored, so you fail

Gut is when something bothers me that isn't regarded as scummy per se. In this case, the discussion about the avatar after I reminded the town of the deadline suggested a lack of urgency.

Gee, maybe because every OTHER event has extended deadline? Nice try.

Alright, I just noticed that the deadline is Nov. 17. The topic title had the deadline listed as Nov. 9.

[Netlava]

Regardless, your accusation that I'm "trying to rush the town" still doesn't make any sense to me. Leaning scum on forbiddan.

[forbiddanlight]

Gut is when something bothers me that isn't regarded as scummy per se. In this case, the discussion about the avatar after I reminded the town of the deadline suggested a lack of urgency.

I stand by my lack of urgency.

Alright, I just noticed that the deadline is Nov. 17. The topic title had the deadline listed as Nov. 9.

Might even extend again for all we know.

[Vi]

In short, I'm seriously considering No Lynch.

Any thoughts on this, again? Quite honestly, I feel that the lynch today will be based on petty reasons, and the reward of lynching someone will be rather poor versus the risk.

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His response, though reasonable, loses cred points for what constitutes a "delayed reaction."

Explain this.

I think a lynch is important in our current situation, or at least some sort of pressure for the scum

or else they can do whatever they want at their leisure.

That depends on this objekt, doesn't it?

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f-light's metaguess about the deadline being pushed back is not cool, especially since the Objekt deadline and the Day deadline are concurrent. Although the convenient way to dodge this speculation would be for us to agree on an Option so the Objekt event can get out of the way and we'd know if the deadline extends or not... If two people jumped on the Option C wagon, either Netlava or qwints would get it as of right now.

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@melikefood: You

are

playing, right? Toss an accusation around; get someone upset. Prod:

Unvote: Netlava
Vote: melikefood

Also this--

Objekt vote: Vi and forbiddan

knight

[forbiddanlight]

Regardless, your accusation that I'm "trying to rush the town" still doesn't make any sense to me. Leaning scum on forbiddan.

Because obviously the town needs to make decisions in less than a week even though the deadline is proven mutable.
Yeah, THAT will lynch scum.

f-light's metaguess about the deadline being pushed back is not cool, especially since the Objekt deadline and the Day deadline are concurrent. Although the convenient way to dodge this speculation would be for us to agree on an Option so the Objekt event can get out of the way and we'd know if the deadline extends or not... If two people jumped on the Option C wagon, either Netlava or qwints would get it as of right now.

Agree with most of this. Except the fact that you call it a meta guess. I'm not using meta, I'm using the fact that EVERY EVENT SO FAR HAS PUSHED THE DEADLINE BACK!

[Vi]

Agree with most of this. Except the fact that you call it a meta guess. I'm not using meta, I'm using the fact that EVERY EVENT SO FAR HAS PUSHED THE DEADLINE BACK!

So it's a reasonably grounded metaguess
It's not a guarantee nonetheless, thus I'd like confirmation either way before relying on it.

[melikefood]

Vote: Mafia SSK

You deemed putting hands on the objekt "Too risky".
Killing people kan get us information and with the time travel, we kould bring bak people who we didn't want dead.

Dying is A-Ok, wanting to live is skummy.

@Vi
I'm overenthustiastik with my K's

[MafiaSSK]

Fine. Can we just get to what we want to do already?

[Natirasha]

Touch: Netlava

Vote: Cruciare

We need a lynch, and at this point, I just chose the person who is voting that I trust the judgement of the first.

[RossWilliam]

I would rather somebody touch the object that nobody....it's really kinda arbitrary who actually does it

unvote: Option A, vote: Option C

[forbiddanlight]

Touch: Netlava

Just curious, why Netlava?

[Vi]

All right, I'm bored and the deadline isn't exactly going anyplace. I don't support the idea, but I'm considering placing the last vote on Option C, which would result in Netlava and Netlava alone touching the object.

'Any objections?

[forbiddanlight]

Mostly from me since

I

want to touch is and have no idea why netlava gets the privelege. But, since I agree things need to move along, vote for it :S.

[Vi]

Mostly from me since

I

want to touch is and have no idea why netlava gets the privelege.

Netlava gets the privilege for "being more useless than you", at least at the time of the initial voting.

But sure, I'm in favor of seeing if this can spur discussion. I'm not going to be here for a bit of a while to see what havoc I've wreaked, but oh well--

ObjektUnvote: Option A
ObjektVote: Option C

[Natirasha]

Mod, please read sig. If it comes down to it and we need me to unvote to hammer, please assume I would do so, if you would allow that.

[Grandfather Time]

Votecount

melikefood --- 3 {MafiaSSK, qwints, Vi}
Vi --- 1 {pickemgenius}
Forbiddanlight --- 1 {Netlava}
Netlava --- 1 {Forbiddanlight}
MafiaSSK --- 1 {melikefood}
Cruciare --- 1 {Natirasha}

None --- 2 {Cruciare, RossWilliam}

Mainframe

Temporal Stability, nominal.
Energy Reserves, stable.
Subjects living, ten.
Quorum value, six.

Option Count

Option A --- 0 {None}
Option B --- 3 {pickemgenius, Cruciare, qwints}

Option C --- 6 {Forbiddanlight, Natirasha, melikefood, Netlava, RossWilliam, Vi}

Option D --- 1 {MafiaSSK}

None --- 0 {None}

Option C has been selekted.

Touch Count

For the rekord, these votes will not mean anything until an option has been chosen.

Netlava --- 5 {pickemgenius, Vi, RossWilliam, qwints, Natirasha}
Qwints --- 4 {pickemgenius, Natirasha, Netlava, qwints}
Vi --- 3 {Vi, RossWilliam, melikefood}
Forbiddanlight --- 3 {Forbiddanlight, Ross William, melikefood}
RossWilliam --- 1 {RossWilliam}

[Grandfather Time]

Natirasha, you kan proxy your vote, if you wish.

[qwints]

Do we need another vote for Netlava to touch?