Open 850: Democrabilities (Postgame)

[Cat.Jpeg]

They are jumping around between things and don't have strong opinions. They hopped onto no elim without a reason.

Literally most of my posts are explaining why I don't think a double elim is a good idea, including my first post, I just forgot to vote for it because I didn't think it was something we wold vote for I though it would just happen when the ability phase ended. Other than that I misunderstood the inform ability and said I wanted to see who was NK'd. I haven't expressed any strong reads because I don't have any yet

[Cat.Jpeg]

Also, @Cat and Goldie, what are your thoughts on each other so far?

She's definitely trying to make you think she's town and she probably thinks you are town. I doubt that you two are a scumteam but individually for her im not sure yet. She is probably hyper aware of what I will read her for so it will be tricky, probably easier in day 2 tho.

[Alianna]

I don't consider indecisiveness or lack of strong opinions to be a scumtell. Townies have to re-evaluate their opinions as they factor in new information. "Jumping around" is only scummy if it's done in a way that seems artificial. Either way, it's irrelevant, because Cat isn't doing that.

[Alianna]

Also, @Cat and Goldie, what are your thoughts on each other so far?

She's definitely trying to make you think she's town and she probably thinks you are town. I doubt that you two are a scumteam but individually for her im not sure yet. She is probably hyper aware of what I will read her for so it will be tricky, probably easier in day 2 tho.

Can confirm we are not a scumteam.
My read on her, like on everybody else, is pure null. I have some vibes from a couple of people, but no real evidence. Idk if it's just me, but it feels like this game has gotten off to a really slow start.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Also, @Cat and Goldie, what are your thoughts on each other so far?

Cat hasn't said enough for me to read her, it's pretty much only discourse on whether we should eliminate or not, as town she would definitely argue for no-elimination, but she knows I know that and so she'd do it anyway as scum. I would say most of her posts so far are NAI and could come from town or scum cat. I'm waiting for her to start posting game analysis, reads and votes so I can read her.

That said I don't like post 82 though, it feels odd, and not like something cat would normally do. It's not bad enough by itself for me to vote her but it seems strange.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

she probably thinks you are town.

Interestingly at this point in the game I don't town read alianna yet...
In the past two games with her (one which I was in and one which I read and later replaced into) I was able to townread Alianna by about page 2 or 3 purely based on tone, and she continued to project townie vibes for the rest of the games.
At this point in time she doesn't have as much the town charisma she normally does, I don't know if this is me not picking up on it, a changing playstyle, her not having as many posts yet or scum!Alianna. But at the moment Alianna is flvery firmly a null read for me.

[Cat.Jpeg]

Can confirm we are not a scumteam.
My read on her, like on everybody else, is pure null. I have some vibes from a couple of people, but no real evidence. Idk if it's just me, but it feels like this game has gotten off to a really slow start.

I wouldn't say a slow start because we are already on page 7 but I agree in that I have mostly null reads on everyone and there hasn't been much AI content.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

There has mostly just been analysis of game mechanics and a lot of it is NAI

[Dunnstral]

That said I don't like post 82 though, it feels odd, and not like something cat would normally do. It's not bad enough by itself for me to vote her but it seems strange.

Doesn't really make sense then because they were also talking about no eliminating before the vote.

[Cat.Jpeg]

I only voted for you because no one else had and I didn't actually want to eliminate someone. I just wanted to vote in RVS that's all, it didn't have a purpose other than maybe a reaction because you still hadn't posted anything that helped me read you (most people hadn't tho). Looking back I didn't remember posting it till I saw it again and it's not something I would normally do and was kinda odd but I was using this site to procrastinate.

[Flea The Magician]

There has mostly just been analysis of game mechanics and a lot of it is NAI

And yet I feel you should have more visible reads ...

[Alianna]

There has mostly just been analysis of game mechanics and a lot of it is NAI

And yet I feel you should have more visible reads ...

Can you elaborate on this?

[Flea The Magician]

I think we should hold conversation about what scum may or should do with each ability and their relative utility until AFTER the ability shows up. Let scum figure out their own strategies

I think we should hold conversation about what scum may or should do with each ability and their relative utility until AFTER the ability shows up. Let scum figure out their own strategies

Ok, so give me your thoughts behind shooting and no shooting.

Shooting gives us a non-zero chance of hitting scum, whereas not shooting gives us an exactly zero chance of hitting scum. But even on a miss, the flip and wagon behavior will give us something substantial to work with going forward into the proper elimination. Not shooting does not give us that, and we're essentially just having an absurdly long D1 instead. Further, smaller amount of living slots means higher likelihood of a hit for any of our other PRs, even though it puts us in a more precarious position going by the numbers alone.

OK so then you prefer to go onto evens when we're shooting blind twice? not shooting gives us more room for error imo.

[Flea The Magician]

There has mostly just been analysis of game mechanics and a lot of it is NAI

And yet I feel you should have more visible reads ...

Can you elaborate on this?

I feel like I should have a little more knowledge on where they stand in this game currently, be that reads, investment levels, or even stance on the current situation.

For example Titus feels detatched and lacking conviction but I know she would much prefer to shoot currently and I know she likely has a PoE where she would shoot.

I got nothing but "meh." from Goldfish and I don't like it.

[MegAzumarill]

Votecount 1.0.3


furtiveglance (2): RadicalRat, Titus [E-3]
Cat.jpeg (1) Dunnstral

No Elimination (4 ) Flea the Magician, furtiveglance, Alianna, Cat.jpeg [E-1]


Not Voting (2): MalcolmTucker, GoldfishFromTheMoon,

With 9 alive it takes 5 to make a decision.
Deadline:(expired on 2022-05-03 13:01:27)

[MalcolmTucker]

I don't consider indecisiveness or lack of strong opinions to be a scumtell. Townies have to re-evaluate their opinions as they factor in new information. "Jumping around" is only scummy if it's done in a way that seems artificial. Either way, it's irrelevant, because Cat isn't doing that.

Agreed on this, been torn either way...very much leaning towards no kill but unsure how much info we'll necessarily be able to glean from night 1 at the moment after the kill. Frustration in that regard is that game mechanics discussion feels like it's taken up so much of the content so far that it's hard to read who is being genuine with their discussion and who might be using it to mask from actually engaging with accusing other players etc.

[Flea The Magician]

The thing is everyone at this point should have an opinion on something.
Be it game state, using the Kill or not, or a read on someone.

If someone has nothing - they're either not invested or overly cautious which can be scummy.

[furtiveglance]

I don't really know what to say at the moment, I'm waiting for someone to hammer No Eliminate. Not really sure why I'm the other option, hence my wariness of RR and Titus which I mentioned before. Notably they didn't engage with that, Radical Rat preferred to talk mech. Go figure.

[Flea The Magician]

Yu can still do stuff and contribute, this doesn't put us to night. So use the time we have.

[MalcolmTucker]

As I say was torn either way but looks like we're solidly looking at a no kill here. If nobody has any objections I'll hammer so we can move on. Game feels a bit stuck.

[MalcolmTucker]

I'd have only really supported using the kill if we were able to have a fairly conclusive day which made us confident going into the night, but we're clearly not in that situation and I can't imagine a scenario at the moment where any benefits from using our kills will outweigh the potential drawbacks if things go wrong.

[Dunnstral]

I don't really know what to say at the moment, I'm waiting for someone to hammer No Eliminate. Not really sure why I'm the other option, hence my wariness of RR and Titus which I mentioned before. Notably they didn't engage with that, Radical Rat preferred to talk mech. Go figure.

We're still going to have to vote someone after this. Who should that player be?

[Dunnstral]

Acting like the only choices are you or no eliminate is disingenuous

[Titus]

Acting like the only choices are you or no eliminate is disingenuous

That's because he doesn't want something. He wants the game to stagnate and have no information.

Someone should die tonight. If we had any real discussion whatsoever then we'd at least have data from someone who mafia thought was skilled town.

[furtiveglance]

I don't really know what to say at the moment, I'm waiting for someone to hammer No Eliminate. Not really sure why I'm the other option, hence my wariness of RR and Titus which I mentioned before. Notably they didn't engage with that, Radical Rat preferred to talk mech. Go figure.

We're still going to have to vote someone after this. Who should that player be?

Radical Rat or Titus