Seraphim wrote:I'm not saying you're scum, I'm saying that you can't use that argument to argue that you're not scum. Scum can change wagons too.
While true, at best this is a null tell. Considering you were on the ooba-wagon yesterday, which was based entirely on the idea that ooba had to be scum since he was changing wagons...
At any rate, the point I'm making isn't that I changed wagons. It was that I did so very close to deadline with good reasoning.
Seraphim wrote:Once again, I'm not questioning the original case on SP. You're absolutely correct about that. What I didn't like was
A. How you introduced it.
B. How you didn't back down even though the MafiaSSK case was still salvagable after SP's roleclaim
Well, part of the reason for how I introduced it was that it was getting late when I thought I connected the dots together, and wanted something in fast (as you noticed, the actual explanation was a bit lengthy). Another part is that the main reason I thought SocioPath was scum was that during the conversation we were having about special notes he was effectively claiming that he wasn't a townie. I didn't want to just throw that out there, because I was hoping to catch him lying on that point when he roleclaimed. A day later, I realized I had to give some info about that idea to get people to support a wagon, but up to that point I was rather hoping to get him to claim without giving him extra information to inform a claim. And since I didn't believe the claim, I saw no reason to back down.
Seraphim wrote:Lynching a townie is still lynching a townie. After a game I played on another site, I find it my policy to never, ever lynch a claimed power role on Day 1. Ever. If he's still alive on Day 2, well, then we have a problem. But, for Day 1...no, that's stupid. It's bad play.
Going out of order to address this, since it's related. You've created a meta in which all scum have to do to get a free pass from you on day 1 is claim a power role.
Any
power role. This is a bad thing. Scum
have
to lie about their roles, so you're ensuring that every single day 1 you're either supporting a lynch on a townie or an annoyance role (like a survivor). If you don't grow a pair and start being willing to lynch claimed power roles to some extent, scum are going to take advantage of you.
Seraphim wrote:*shrugs* I have no idea. You could be setting up for a bus on day 2, perhaps. Maybe this is all some contorted Mafia plan?
The problem with this isn't that you're claiming I'm scum. It's that your entire argument is that I'm
inept
scum. That's a rather astonishing claim, and it requires you to actually provide some sort of evidence, especially since anyone looking through my past games would come to a completely different conclusion. You're just throwing mud at the wall to see if it sticks.
I expect people to think I'm scum at some point. My sig is what it is for a reason. But if you're going to make the accusation, I expect you to back it up.
Seraphim wrote:Something rings false with me on this one. I just thought I'd point this out. Why is charter is a better lynch than Electra?
I have two good points on charter. On Electra, I have a sentence fragment I'm not entirely sure how to interpret yet, and overconfidence in SSK. (Incidentally, I think it would be a
very
good idea for her to explain why she thought SSK was trustworthy in this regard. I stand by the point that saying someone is town is different than saying they're scum, but that's a point about what SSK did, not Electra.) Now, if SSK comes up scum, my analysis will probably change.
Seraphim wrote:How the hell was I wishy-washy on her? I changed my bandwagon; isn't that what you did?
To a large extent, I think people don't have a clue what they're talking about when they say something is "wishy-washy". It is
not
about changing votes. It's about being unwilling to fully commit to a vote or other action. A wishy-washy voter tries to have it both ways, so they can go back and point to stuff that suggests either that they really thought the person lynched was scum or town, depending on what makes them look best. For example, you unvoted ooba, but you left the door open for going back that way if the tide turned. You also show yourself to be unsure about voting for Electra in that post I quoted above. That's the part that's scummy.
