Mini Normal 2269 - Flavors of Elmer's Glue [Game Over]

[Enchant]

By simple words.

Why you two both didn't vote Malakittens, if you believed scum in a hood?

[Val89]

Because Andante was at E-2 when the plan was discussed, not Mala?

I think I still must be misunderstadning, because the answer to that question is obvious to anyone reading this game. What does LEFT person (kdc), whatever that means, have to do with it?

[Enchant]

VOTE: kdca

@Andante

shoot Mala tonight.

You was in hood. So i believe you used it for communicating.

Why exactly "Andante shot Mala".

Why not "Andante shot kdc, and let's elim Mala because she most likely scum".

What logic you both used?

[Val89]

I see. Your question is "why did JV vote kcda instead of Mala at 285"?

You should know I can't speak for JV.

What happened in the hood is that he asked me who, out of the neighbourhood I would chose Andante to shoot if she did turn out to be a legit vig, but didn't wait for my answer, he just told me to hammer Andante (whilst the idea of full claiming was still under discussion).

I had no intention of hammering before I had full claimed our hood, and was intending to just hammer her as I claimed, but I asked what JV what he was thinking with that question, particularly if Mala was scum and everything we said was going to go back to scum anyway.

JV told me that he thought of one Mala and Andante was scum and that Andante shooting Mala would resolve that for him. He then changed his mind on his instruction for me to just hammer and asked me if he could propose Andante shot Mala in the mainthread rather me hammering, but again, he didn't wait for my response, saying he was going to go with his gut and do it. That's what was happening in the hood at the time he made that post.

I can't speak for the dead, and he did not explain why specifically kcda, but I make the assumption that moving the vote was to give Andante a chance to respond to that ultimatum.

The idea to offer Andante a chance to shoot Mala was JVs, and I had a strong enough townread on that slot that I thought there was no harm in offering it, because I thought Andante was just straight up fake claiming, and thus would never go for it, and I would just be forced to hammer anyway. If she did surprise me and agree, then my intent was to hold off the hammer and have further discussions in mainthread about what that meant.

JVs concern was, after I full claimed the hood, if Andante was legit she might offer to shoot me, because she was scumreading me and JV had a strong enough TR on me that he didn't want that. I believe that was the intent of his comment to Andante that he didn't want to full claim because she was "biased against Val", and he also told Mala overnight post-hammer that he wouldn't vote me if she flipped town. My compromise was to agree to make the threat of hammer conditional on her agreeing to shooting Mala like JV wanted, instead of just hammering her as I made the fullclaim, but I would hammer her if she didn't agree, as I fully expected to happen because I thought she was fake claiming scum.

As for why I hammered her rather than claiming and then voting Mala, I refer to the above. Andante was at E-1, I thought she was fake claiming scum, so I hammered.

[Malakittens]

I already gave my very unhappy thoughts about Andante being hammered.

Enchant feels town right now to the line of questioning in regards to Val.

[Kcdaspot]

Even I wouldn't have hammered there

You WERE on the wagon though, and could have unvoted at anytime

As for me, I shoulda cuaght this and i didnt... but heres where andan completely town told and i ignored:

We have Frogs like... "I'm doing nothing till page 10" or whatever
Jackson,Mala are too busy with RL to be here
Meg... just being meg? they should be making reads by now or doing something
NM... just doing nothing
Enchant.. basically doing nothing to advance town

Val is trying to play this game with me
kcda is trying... maybe... idk if I count tunneling the next most active player as trying though


and that is everyone!!!

You make a case on kcda... say I'm probably town, now "If andante flips red, kcda town" so now I'm the maf instead of kcda?? why don't you toss me on e-1 see who hammers, the 2 who'd lol hammer are already voting me

VOTE: Val
I'm honestly not convinced Val is town

Had I slowed down and processed the the post i hope that i unvoted... but after post 164 and the botched claim i don't know if i would.

i WANT to vote meg. but for now val is my top spot until i can fully read and digest the goings on for D2.

I have a hell of a lot more to learn about this damned game more than ever. sorry to Andante.

[Kcdaspot]

As for why I hammered her rather than claiming and then voting Mala,

I refer to the above. Andante was at E-1, I thought she was fake claiming scum, so I hammered.

I dont like this. and it's hard for me to fully explain why.

[Kcdaspot]

as we stand rn theres one scum in val/mala and possibly one scum between NM enchant and Meg

however I fully believe its 4:3 or 4:2:1 somehow

the val wagon i understand completely although e-2 is far too much far too early in this day.

[Kcdaspot]

if mala is scum then enchant is auto limmed thats the only definite i have.

[MegAzumarill]

Val are you specifically informed someone in the hood is scum?

[Val89]

I fullclaimed my role yesterday. I am explicitly

not

an

informed

Neighbour.

I fullclaim Town Neighbour. I am in a hood with JV and Malakittens. My role PM explicitly refers to the fact that, paraphrasing, my neighbours are potential scum.

There are a number of explict reminders that quoting from private communications is against the rules, so the paraphrase is all I can give.

I will say that I am confident that JV received a identical PM to myself, and in the last discussion they had with mala on the topic through the night phase, they used a synomyn for 'very probable' when discussing the likleyhood or otherwise of scum exisiting in the hood, and said the circumstances in which they would be confident the hood was all town was if Mala flipped town. JV then refered her back to that answer, in a somewhat direct and forcefull manner (they suggested Mala was potentially illiterate, to give you clue), when she later explictly asked if JV had any plans to vote for me.

[MegAzumarill]

however I fully believe its 4:3 or 4:2:1 somehow

Someone help me figure out if this is RIA

Also I will refuse to vote for anyone but Val today.

[Val89]

RIA?

[MegAzumarill]

Refuge in audacity

[Val89]

As much as it's gonna be seen as OMGUS Meg is scum protecting a vital scum PR. Val is never lim town. and i fully believe one of frog or jackson rounds out the scum team. hard leaning frog for voting the other first and being a general cartwheel.

@KCDA

: Just to clarify, was Adante the "vital scum PR" you were proposing MegA was protecting in this post?

lead a ambitious townie to your partner wait for the clapback and then deflect.

it's in political playbooks. 100% you lim aden and you town is in a dominant position if not out right winning. 200% it's Aden and meg.

Who was the 'ambitious townie' here? We breifly discussed this in the hood and I outlined why I beleived you were refering to yourself, but if I am wrong, a correction would be appreciated.

as we stand rn theres one scum in val/mala and possibly one scum between NM enchant and Meg

How did you arrive at that second group (NM, enchant, Meg)?

[Kcdaspot]

As much as it's gonna be seen as OMGUS Meg is scum protecting a vital scum PR. Val is never lim town. and i fully believe one of frog or jackson rounds out the scum team. hard leaning frog for voting the other first and being a general cartwheel.

@KCDA

: Just to clarify, was Adante the "vital scum PR" you were proposing MegA was protecting in this post?

lead a ambitious townie to your partner wait for the clapback and then deflect.

it's in political playbooks. 100% you lim aden and you town is in a dominant position if not out right winning. 200% it's Aden and meg.

Who was the 'ambitious townie' here? We breifly discussed this in the hood and I outlined why I beleived you were refering to yourself, but if I am wrong, a correction would be appreciated.

as we stand rn theres one scum in val/mala and possibly one scum between NM enchant and Meg

How did you arrive at that second group (NM, enchant, Meg)?

1.yes. I believed that 100% then

2. you're right, i was refering to myself. I know i was being ambitious leading that wagon but i KNEW i had scum in my sights so I didn't care.

3. pure gut.

[Kcdaspot]

addon to 3: the way all three have acted, something in me just says out of those 3, one of them aren't aligned with the other 2... i have no CLUE as to who aligned as what but thats my feel.

[Kcdaspot]

as for you yourself.... I don't believe anything you said about your neighborhood was a lie... but something just telling me that you are good at telling the truth while hiding your own alignment... i need mala to confirm your version of the events before i can speak further.

[Kcdaspot]

question to consider: i think mafia NEEDED Virgo for some reason.... why?

to everyone else: what is the possibilty of that neighborhood being 2 scum, 1 town?

[Val89]

1.yes. I believed that 100% then

Can you explain two parts of your progression since then, please?

You 100% believed Andante was a vital scum PR with MegA and I was never lim town. Today, you WANT to vote MegA but I am your 'top spot'.

What was it that that happened between the two to change your read on me?
Why hasn't your read on MegA changed with the Andante flip?

[MegAzumarill]

question to consider: i think mafia NEEDED Virgo for some reason.... why?

to everyone else: what is the possibilty of that neighborhood being 2 scum, 1 town?

Low, perhaps unreasonably so.
I won't clear one if the other flips scum but I'm still not convinced the neighborhood mechanically has to have scum. That said Val is in there so it probably has one.

[Frogsterking]

I'm sorry that I've not been very present in this thread, but I think it may have helped town win con by me not being here

[Frogsterking]

It's hard for me to tell which of my ideas are good and which are bad. So maybe i will try to bring that perspective...

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Val
Absolutely terrible hammer on a conformable as town PR.
Andante could basically be treated as IC after a night, there's no good excuse

Okay here's the thing,


It could just be suboptimal townplay.

For example: Val is given the special role of getting to solve with extra information. Then Val puts a lot of effort into the game and becomes attached to his solve. Then Val sees the chance to push his solve through and takes it impulsively without thinking critically. I feel like that happens..

[Frogsterking]

. Then Val puts a lot of effort into the game and becomes attached to his solve. Then Val sees the chance to push his solve through and takes it impulsively without thinking critically. I feel like that happens..