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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is the normal queue so obviously he cant make ridiculous claims duuuuh

[Not_Mafia]

It's never stopped me

[Scorpious]

The power was out in my house for most of the IRL day, sorry for lurking!

I find the current vote tally on Scorpious quite interesting - as has been noted we're nearing elimination and he's generally had the biggest vote tally throughout the game but nobody actually appears to be pushing him or trying to solidify that block as such. Why not, if they want him out?

I really hate Scorp's reactions to me. That's my main reason to SR him.

This makes total sense,but you are taking a very self centered view of me...

let's make it clear, you think I'm scum because I thought you over-reacted to a push. correct?

[Scorpious]

i am pretty willing to give geraintm a day one pass here even though it is very frustrating to me as well just don’t really think it makes geraintm super likely mafia

Yeah, ger reads to me more like a weird townie proposing weird plays than a scum trying to push something that will hurt town.

You mean, by constantly bringing up how much they hate D1, and floating a no lim scenario?

These are weird townie things?

[Scorpious]

honestly, don't know. i normally sit there day 2 and look at the wagons that formed and who was on which ones. i normally have some idea that some wagons are obviously on town players, and anyone joining them for crappy reasoning get naughty points. that combined with whatever info players bring to the table day 2 are what i go on.
im not going to waste the time doing that now though

you realize you can do this ,in real time, on D1.. right?

This post almost gives me the impression you're setting the table to not do much in D2 either..

You are either scum or a Town Pr looking to not get nk'd. I can't decide right now.

[Scorpious]

Guess what? My power cut out again!

I'm fairly confident that within a few posts Kitty will vote me..

Correct. How is my post an overreaction? It's not like I flipped out, I just snarked at gera. This and your other posts regarding me read like a shade-throwing attempt. I'll wait until I catch up to vote you to not accidentally hammer you if it came to that though.

It's posts like this that make me agree on Kitty...

They've totally buddied up to Pooky as well who I believe has been pushing me the hardest.

How so? Is this an OMGUS?

This is not a shot...

Do you know what OMGUS is?

[Scorpious]

Damnit, I did the same thing I said like 100 posts I want to stop doing..

UNVOTE:

I’m a town mailman b t dubs

UNVOTE:
Send someone you think is town the message "I'm Scorpius and I'm town" or an equivalent tonight then. If they claim they didn't get it, we hang you tomorrow and then them if you were really mailman. 1 for 1. But for now, live.

Few problems here.
1.What if I message scum?
2.Why would anyone believe a random "Hey I'm town" It's possible,but if I got a message like that I'm taking it with a grain of salt.
3.You're lining up lims, never good.

[Scorpious]

he should surely know by now that he won't be allowed to get away with a claim like that ever again? if he does something like that again, he just knows he is going to get eliminated everytime he is forced to claim...

right?

this is not even correct..

I also find it weird, that you are attempting to contribute. Now..

[Scorpious]

The claim proves nothing, even if he claimed something stupid like Bulletproof Cop in a previous game doesn't mean he is forever locked into making wacky fakeclaims.

If you're comparing that to this you need to read up on roles.

People are also leaving out the context of that claim, and of course I was scum.. and we won the game..

[Scorpious]

Exactly, I'm finding this game kinda difficult to read so far and there are people I'm willing to sheep.

Most important quote and question saved for last...

Who are these people you are willing to sheep?

[geraintm]

he should surely know by now that he won't be allowed to get away with a claim like that ever again? if he does something like that again, he just knows he is going to get eliminated everytime he is forced to claim...

right?

this is not even correct..

I also find it weird, that you are attempting to contribute. Now..

why is it weird? i do try and contribute snark Day 1, and i had time this morning to read and reply to a few bits.

and what isn't correct? if someone gets into the habit of making wild claims, then surely the MetaTown will know this and just start ignoring them all from you and punish you for past behaviour?

[geraintm]

honestly, don't know. i normally sit there day 2 and look at the wagons that formed and who was on which ones. i normally have some idea that some wagons are obviously on town players, and anyone joining them for crappy reasoning get naughty points. that combined with whatever info players bring to the table day 2 are what i go on.
im not going to waste the time doing that now though

you realize you can do this ,in real time, on D1.. right?

This post almost gives me the impression you're setting the table to not do much in D2 either..

You are either scum or a Town Pr looking to not get nk'd. I can't decide right now.

no, i usually wait till day 2 and then go through all the Mod's posts and try and track people's votes. just because i don't set any store in votes day 1 doesn't mean others don't. it usually helps me clump some people together into "i don't want to go after them today" or "these people look shifty"

There havent been many vote counts todays though so will be harder.

[Scorpious]

he should surely know by now that he won't be allowed to get away with a claim like that ever again? if he does something like that again, he just knows he is going to get eliminated everytime he is forced to claim...

right?

this is not even correct..

I also find it weird, that you are attempting to contribute. Now..

why is it weird? i do try and contribute snark Day 1, and i had time this morning to read and reply to a few bits.

and what isn't correct? if someone gets into the habit of making wild claims, then surely the MetaTown will know this and just start ignoring them all from you and punish you for past behaviour?

If you think this is a wild claim, strap in and hold on the next time I'm scum..

If I'm going to have fun with fake claims I'm not got to claim a boring, almost useless PR. I might as well just fake VT which more people would have believed at face value..

[MalcolmTucker]

Posts 1106 and 1115 don't make me want to move my geraint vote at all.

They claim they need to wait until D2 to determine how the wagons forming influence their play but why? There's plenty of info to go on now in regards to how players are voting and approaching the game. If you're someone who thrives on D2, you should surely be thinking ahead as to how certain eliminations would influence your mindset. Doing so D1 could either throw mafia offguard potentially or at least give us an insight into where someone would stand if they were mafia themselves.

Geraint said they'd read back the past 10 pages or so...I just don't really buy we have a player here who's simultaneously reading through the game properly but doesn't have any thoughts as to where we'll be on D2.

Post 1115 also feels like it could be an easy misdirect...players can adapt their style all the time, especially if they are fairly experienced and know they have a certain tell. And it's probably easier to do so if you don't really contribute D1 and then find yourself under less pressure on D2 because you're deliberately giving people little to go on.

[MalcolmTucker]

honestly, don't know. i normally sit there day 2 and look at the wagons that formed and who was on which ones. i normally have some idea that some wagons are obviously on town players, and anyone joining them for crappy reasoning get naughty points. that combined with whatever info players bring to the table day 2 are what i go on.
im not going to waste the time doing that now though

you realize you can do this ,in real time, on D1.. right?

This post almost gives me the impression you're setting the table to not do much in D2 either..

You are either scum or a Town Pr looking to not get nk'd. I can't decide right now.

Yeah I would at least be willing to accept this if we were in a larger game but 13-player setup means we have, what, max five turns or so? If you're mafia Geraint right now, you can lie low, claim this is your meta approach, and then hope in D2 someone else comes under heavy pressure and then coast into D3 while giving the town barely any evidence to use against you going forward. Fundamentally I just really dislike the idea we should be expected to do all the work so they can finally start playing on D2.

[geraintm]

@malcolm - i like that you give me credit for being experienced (I dont feel that at all, i play one game at a time and regularly have to go to the wiki to look up what some roles are as i've never seen them before) a good enough player to be able to change my play style, but i am really not. i generally suck as town, there is a reason i don't get NKed very often by scum, they are happy to have me around for a catastrophic ending

[MalcolmTucker]

On other matters - I think Pooky's posts on Nero are quite solid, but I also reckon mafia Nero maybe doesn't accept Scorpious' claim here so easily maybe? Could be one for mafia to push and seed some doubt.

[geraintm]

Fundamentally I just really dislike the idea we should be expected to do all the work so they can finally start playing on D2.

fundamentally, i think no one should be doing any work on Day 1....

[MalcolmTucker]

@malcolm - i like that you give me credit for being experienced (I dont feel that at all, i play one game at a time and regularly have to go to the wiki to look up what some roles are as i've never seen them before) a good enough player to be able to change my play style, but i am really not. i generally suck as town,

there is a reason i don't get NKed very often by scum, they are happy to have me around for a catastrophic ending

On this we are at least very similar...

[Scorpious]

Fundamentally I just really dislike the idea we should be expected to do all the work so they can finally start playing on D2.

fundamentally, i think no one should be doing any work on Day 1....

So we should just sit here for ten days and Randomly vote people for lolz?

[MalcolmTucker]

Fundamentally I just really dislike the idea we should be expected to do all the work so they can finally start playing on D2.

fundamentally, i think no one should be doing any work on Day 1....

Okay but how do we get any info on D2? Someone, somewhere needs to start a wagon at some point in the game. That takes work and effort. If we just do literally nothing, mafia get a free kill that just tells us nothing about the gamestate or why they did what they did.

Obviously D1 requires more firing into the dark but so does D2 - it's not as if one night kill suddenly allows us to all be uber-informed about what is happening. A lot of mafia is just flinging shit at the wall and seeing what sticks and what info that then gives you. And I don't claim to be an expert or even that experienced, but everyone else clearly sees some value in D1 to an extent.

But again I can feel us getting dragged onto meta stuff here away from content of the actual game, which just naturally pings me a bit - it's in the interests of mafia when playing to ensure there's as little content as possible which makes them look like they are mafia. Discussions about the mechanics of the game allow them to post without actually saying anything which makes them look bad.

[KittyTacky]

The power was out in my house for most of the IRL day, sorry for lurking!

I find the current vote tally on Scorpious quite interesting - as has been noted we're nearing elimination and he's generally had the biggest vote tally throughout the game but nobody actually appears to be pushing him or trying to solidify that block as such. Why not, if they want him out?

I really hate Scorp's reactions to me. That's my main reason to SR him.

This makes total sense,but you are taking a very self centered view of me...

let's make it clear, you think I'm scum because I thought you over-reacted to a push. correct?

That and your general attitude. Your treatment of your claim as something "easily provable" when it isn't also struck me as an attempt to cop out of being the D1 lim.

i am pretty willing to give geraintm a day one pass here even though it is very frustrating to me as well just don’t really think it makes geraintm super likely mafia

Yeah, ger reads to me more like a weird townie proposing weird plays than a scum trying to push something that will hurt town.

You mean, by constantly bringing up how much they hate D1, and floating a no lim scenario?

These are weird townie things?

They are if they do this in all games as either alignment, as has been said. I disagree but it's NAI.

Guess what? My power cut out again!

I'm fairly confident that within a few posts Kitty will vote me..

Correct. How is my post an overreaction? It's not like I flipped out, I just snarked at gera. This and your other posts regarding me read like a shade-throwing attempt. I'll wait until I catch up to vote you to not accidentally hammer you if it came to that though.

It's posts like this that make me agree on Kitty...

They've totally buddied up to Pooky as well who I believe has been pushing me the hardest.

How so? Is this an OMGUS?

This is not a shot...

Do you know what OMGUS is?

I do know but that looked like a shot.

Damnit, I did the same thing I said like 100 posts I want to stop doing..

UNVOTE:

I’m a town mailman b t dubs

UNVOTE:
Send someone you think is town the message "I'm Scorpius and I'm town" or an equivalent tonight then. If they claim they didn't get it, we hang you tomorrow and then them if you were really mailman. 1 for 1. But for now, live.

Few problems here.
1.What if I message scum?
2.Why would anyone believe a random "Hey I'm town" It's possible,but if I got a message like that I'm taking it with a grain of salt.
3.You're lining up lims, never good.

As I stated in the next post, I realized the problem with my plan (second point), thus making it worthless because a Mafiailman can also pull it off. But just to answer your first and third points, if scum is messaged and lies about receiving the message then it's an 1 for 1, and I don't see how lining up lims is bad in this context. Pointless now anyhow.

The claim proves nothing, even if he claimed something stupid like Bulletproof Cop in a previous game doesn't mean he is forever locked into making wacky fakeclaims.

If you're comparing that to this you need to read up on roles.

People are also leaving out the context of that claim, and of course I was scum.. and we won the game..

1. I'm not comparing it, I'm saying this is a more plausible claim but it doesn't prove your innocence on meta.
2. You could very well be scum here too.

Exactly, I'm finding this game kinda difficult to read so far and there are people I'm willing to sheep.

Most important quote and question saved for last...

Who are these people you are willing to sheep?

Angela and Pooky both look good to me.

[geraintm]

Fundamentally I just really dislike the idea we should be expected to do all the work so they can finally start playing on D2.

fundamentally, i think no one should be doing any work on Day 1....

So we should just sit here for ten days and Randomly vote people for lolz?

no, we should all vote No elimination and skip the wasted 10 days...
but i have met exactly zero other players who want to do this...

i have a funny feeling i am going to get shouted at very, very soon

[Greeting]

Votecount 1.11

Pitbull feat. Kesha - Timber

(2013)

Commentary: This one is serious and longer than others, and so if you don't want to read it and/or think it would be an unnecessary distraction to a mafia game, I put it in a spoiler below so you don't have to occupy your mind with it whatsoever.

Spoiler: About Timber and Kesha

Timber was Kesha's third major worldwide hit (after TikTok and Die Young) and also another collaboration with (aside of Pitbull) the infamous music producer Dr. Luke. Whenever I see or hear her name, Dr. Luke always comes up too. I think it's really terrible that this man had so much influence and power over her career over the years. If there's a major power imbalance and the person in power has bad character, the dependent person is put in a tragic position where they are faced with a choice between keeping their career and their mental health/bodily autonomy. Unfortunately, Kesha's career seems to be put on hold and her fight for justice definitely made record labels not want to cooperate with her, even though she's definitely a talented singer and artist who is capable of having worldwide hits. The results of her lawsuits have also been disappointing. Meanwhile, Dr. Luke keeps working with other female artists like Katy Perry and, the new phenomenon in the pop music industry, Kim Petras.

It also makes me wonder how many predators like Dr. Luke and Harvey Weinstein exist and thrive in the entertainment and music industries. There's also a worrying correlation between the predators being mostly men and the victims being mostly women. Let's hope that #MeToo helps to eventually eradicate this.

geraintm

(3):

Rathe

,

MalcolmTucker

,

Scorpious

Not_Mafia

(2):

Not_Mafia

,

Nero Cain

Scorpious

(2):

KittyTacky

,

Andresvmb

Galron

(1):

Morning Tweet

KittyTacky

(1):

PookyTheMagicalBear

MalcolmTucker

(1):

Save The Dragons

Not Voting

(4):

angela

,

Galron

,

Scorpious

,

geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 ends in: (expired on 2022-03-27 01:39:00).

[geraintm]

Okay but how do we get any info on D2?

because town will acquire info during the night.