Choose Carefully Mafia: (Game Over)

[CarnCarn]

With this many people as neighbors, how was everyone confused about my "slight" suspicion against armlx. Seriously, everyone sounded clueless. How could any town Neighbor not be suspicious of an unconfirmed mason partner right out of the gate?
STD, do you know hp [leaves] alignment or are you also just unconfirmed?

[armlx]

Hmm..

I'm considering this situation.

We had 16 alive to start. Set up is probably 10-3-3 (unless the game is really fucked up).

We currently have 6 neighbors claims. Assuming all of them are telling the truth, there's likely 2 scum among them. So, 2/6 or 33% are scum, most likely distributed as I said earlier.

Of the non-neighbors, that means 4/10 are scum by this distribution, or 40%.

So really, we probably don't gain anything from lynching specifically among the neighbors over just lynching who is scummy.

That said, Santos is scummy.

[hp [leaves]]

With this many people as neighbors, how was everyone confused about my "slight" suspicion against armlx. Seriously, everyone sounded clueless. How could any town Neighbor not be suspicious of an unconfirmed mason partner right out of the gate?
STD, do you know hp [leaves] alignment or are you also just unconfirmed?

I bet he doesn't know my alignment either. If I knew whether he was clean or not, I'd have claimed later.

[Riceballtail]

This game just keeps getting weirder and weirder.


I like it.

[ZTR]

That said, Santos is scummy.

That's some good detective work, pal.

[Santos]

I still maintain that I was the first mason to role claim 'Neighbor' and no one paid attention to that.

Save the Dragons, its too confusing to read what you thought of my statements, especially when they're not in chronological order. Wouldn't that make more sense in explaining the case against me chronologically instead of pulling my quotes and placing them in your explanation of how I am scummy? It comes off rather as an opinion as opposed to evidence, no?

[Santos]

I still maintain that I was the first mason to role claim 'Neighbor' and no one paid attention to that.

Lol, I guess this doesn't really matter that I did that because you'll say 'scum could know that too.'

Santos - FAIL :p

[bird1111]

Vote Count:
Santos (6): ZazieR, Moses le fou, Save the Dragon, ZTR, hp [leaves], Sineish
Battle Mage (1): SocioPath
Riceballtail (1): Battle Mage
armlx (1): Riceballtail
ZTR (1): Empking

Not voting (6): Thunder, Santos, CarnCarn, armlx, ribwich, oEJo

With 16 alive it is 9 to lynch.

Lynch Method Vote Count:
Rope (7): Save the Dragons, Riceballtail, Empking, Moses le fou, CarnCarn, ZazieR, ZTR
Gun (7): hp [leaves], oEJo, ribwich, SocioPath, Battle Mage, armlx, Sineish

Not voting for a lynch method (1): Thunder, Santos

If a lynch were to happen without any change in lynch method votes, the Rope would be used.

[Moses le fou]

FOS: Moses

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Sounds like you're more sure of oEJo than Santos, considering he's likely to be scum in your eyes regardless of Santos's alignment. So why not vote him?

Goddamnit. The Santos wagon is riddled with scum.

ZTR, HP [leaves], oEJo, Moses, even armlx blipped my radar for something minor.

My partner can come and reveal himself when he wants.

Sup. I was like, "WHOA WHAT THE HECK DID YOU JUST DO" at first...but then I realized it was a breadcrumb, and I was like, "Oh. cool."

Hp and I are neighbors

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There would be no S1-S1 or S2-S2 neighbor groups. And fakeclaiming masons on day 1 is really bad, especially considering they know one of the two can be killed. Especially without foreknowledge of other pairs.

Don't get me wrong. I feel like Santos is the best lynch choice for today. But I think that from there, we take what we know and apply it to his neighbor. Howeber, there being a third neighbor group completely throws my original logic out the window.

[Santos]

Huh.

[Battle Mage]

I am not going to vote for a rope or gun at the moment because now it just seems to mess with other player's abilities to find scummy tells when they have become much too reliant on these abrasive lynch methods.

That.

Eh?

The whole weird Moses vote thing

Link/post number?

the non-belief of the neighbor claim on the invalidity of the role mechanic when that was his role.

Surely if you are accusing him of being a scum neighbour, this is a null tell, based on him not knowing his role properly?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Lol, i'm finding it highly amusing that simply because we have claimed mason-type roles, we have come to the consensus that we must decimate them immediately.

BM

[hp [leaves]]

For some reason I'm not sure about Santos' Neighbor claim. I say we lynch him today, and if he is really not a Neighbor, then lynch oEJo.

[hp [leaves]]

Just a reminder:

I can't help myself. The claim for having a mason and NOT knowing the other mason's alignment bugs me. Is there more we can break from this? Obviously the plain fact that they're masons we would naturally assume they would both be town aligned, but adding in the fact that they do not know each other's alignment makes me a lot more skeptical. I mean, what good is having this ability? EX: If I were in CarnCarn/armlx's shoes why not just talk in the game thread to each other?

This is my reason.

[armlx]

Surely if you are accusing him of being a scum neighbour, this is a null tell, based on him not knowing his role properly?

What are you talking about here?

Link/post number?

Under view posts by Santos, #10-12

Eh?

Its a Santos quote.

[Battle Mage]

Surely if you are accusing him of being a scum neighbour, this is a null tell, based on him not knowing his role properly?

What are you talking about here?

You seemed to be suggesting that him not believing the neighbour role was scummy, when it is of course, is a null tell.

Eh?

Its a Santos quote.

umm, what about it?

I'll look at the post you linked me to and get back to you, thanks.

BM

[armlx]

You seemed to be suggesting that him not believing the neighbour role was scummy, when it is of course, is a null tell.

Why though? It was after the fact I had fucked up on it, I'd assume everyone else would double check. I'm assuming he knew he was a "neighbor" at that point, so what reason does he have to suspect another similar claim?

umm, what about it?

Did you read it? Actively not participating in an action that has strong scum tell implications?

[Battle Mage]

You seemed to be suggesting that him not believing the neighbour role was scummy, when it is of course, is a null tell.

Why though? It was after the fact I had fucked up on it, I'd assume everyone else would double check. I'm assuming he knew he was a "neighbor" at that point, so what reason does he have to suspect another similar claim?

So you think he knew he was a neighbour, and yet, argued that the role didn't exist? Even as scum, that makes no sense.

umm, what about it?

Did you read it? Actively not participating in an action that has strong scum tell implications?

Yes i read it. I wasn't participating either, because in the early stages, it made no sense for me to do so, so this isn't a scumtell.

BM

[Santos]

why are you guys discussing something I already explained? They claimed to be uninformed masons so i wanted to speculate more on that before I claimed. Whats so hard to believe about that?

[Battle Mage]

why are you guys discussing something I already explained? They claimed to be uninformed masons so i wanted to speculate more on that before I claimed. Whats so hard to believe about that?

arent YOU an uninformed mason?

BM

[Santos]

Yes. Have I claimed otherwise?

[armlx]

So you think he knew he was a neighbour, and yet, argued that the role didn't exist? Even as scum, that makes no sense.

It does. He argues it then, comes back later saying he didn't want to counter claim. I feel as town you would consider it more likely given the unconfirmed nature of the role for there to be multiples.

[Santos]

It does. He argues it then, comes back later saying he didn't want to counter claim. I feel as town you would consider it more likely given the unconfirmed nature of the role for there to be multiples.

In my defense, before this game started, I figured one mason group is a decent call in a game this size. When you guys claimed mason I thought it kind of a coincidence that it sounds just like my role! After testing the water and trying to get more from your guy's situation I figured if I claimed at the right time it would make sense that I am not lying about anything I have to say. I am town. I am a 'neighbor' and am able to talk at night via PM with oEJo. There is nothing between those lines except that I don't know the alignment of my mason. Although I have already disproved that me saying 'neighbor' first kind of contradicts itself, I still maintain that I was the first of these 3 claimed masons to actually come forth with an actual role name.

[armlx]

I still maintain that I was the first of these 3 claimed masons to actually come forth with an actual role name.

Only in the context of it being pried out of you in that scenario.

[SocioPath]

All in all, looking at the Santos wagoning, it seems both scum driven, as well as town driven.

Santos seems town to me, especially given with his meta.

One person attacking him though, has rubbed my scumdar the wrong way, but I shall see how this continues.