Mini 670-Kirby Mafia OVER!

[DragonsofSummer]

Mic reasons for voting are allowed to be added on after the vote, usually in addition to the reasons they first had for voting you.

[Save The Dragons]

I, for one, highly doubt that my mason partner is scum, and will defend VoVvy to my death.

And I, for one, will not excuse either of you in light of this anti-town (or detrimental) behavior.

DOS: Nice to hear you talk about something other than Jebus. Is there any one else you suspect.

[Save The Dragons]

And of course, since I swear I have a some grasp over the English language, the last sentence should be a question.

[MafiaSSK]

If it hasn't been mentioned already I'm VLA until Friday. Any lynches that occur will occur when I get back.

[Kmd4390]

I would hold a newer player accountable to any scumtell I'd hold a more experienced player to...but I guess that if I suspect that these tells could be due to new play and are not likely to be scumtells, I try to steer away.

I guess my problem is a lot of your accusations can only be made to a newer player.

The same could be said about different playstyles, not just newer players.

Not sure I follow you here. At first, it looks like you are saying a new player is responsible for playing the same way an experienced player should. In that case, newbiness doesn't matter.

After that, you say my "accusations can only be made to a newer player." Does this mean that if Mic were experienced, I wouldn't be able to say these things?

Lastly, you didn't answer my question. I'll rephrase it in case it was confusing. What would you consider scummy coming from a newer player?

Vote: Jebus

Sorry, but you're going to have to do a little better than that.

STD:Can you tell me what makes you suspicious of Jebus that cannot be written off as being a newer player?

If this sounds familiar, it's because it's exactly the same question you asked me.

I, for one, highly doubt that my mason partner is scum, and will defend VoVvy to my death.

Are you aware that more times than not, an unconfirmed mason is scum? Not to say it's impossible for you to both be town, but if I were you, and I were town, I'd be highly suspicious of my unconfirmed mason buddy.

Like I've said before though, masons are not today's lynch.

So I haven't said anything specific against you? Tell me what you want me to elaborate on. Here's most of my suspicions that I have posted and consider specific:

It was obviously a joke. I seriously doubt that Ku_F is a messed up stalker like that. How could you possibly take that seriously?

Mic, you can't POSSIBLY think that Ku_F was actually at Nat's house, stalking him, and reading his PMs. How is this not clearly a joke?

Elaborate on these two posts a little more.
Specifically, tell me how these two posts helped you to put your vote on me. The way I see it, these two followed your vote.

Well, first of all, I'd like to say that there were parts of that post that were much more important than this.

Second, you haven't answered how you could have taken Ku_F seriously.

Third, to answer your question, I was already suspicious of you before these posts. Way before these. See my first post of the game. I think i quoted it for you in the post you just referenced. The way you jumped on Ku_F looked like you trying to find a suspicion that wasn't there. Like you wanted something to lynch someone for. Ku_F said something that clearly wasn't helpful, but at the same time, didn't hurt anything. I just didn't like the way you jumped on Ku_F for that. I'm not saying Ku_F is obvtown or anything, just that there was nothing suspicious about that joke.

[Microphone_Kirby]

So I haven't said anything specific against you? Tell me what you want me to elaborate on. Here's most of my suspicions that I have posted and consider specific:

It was obviously a joke. I seriously doubt that Ku_F is a messed up stalker like that. How could you possibly take that seriously?

Mic, you can't POSSIBLY think that Ku_F was actually at Nat's house, stalking him, and reading his PMs. How is this not clearly a joke?

Elaborate on these two posts a little more.
Specifically, tell me how these two posts helped you to put your vote on me. The way I see it, these two followed your vote.

Well, first of all, I'd like to say that there were parts of that post that were much more important than this.

Second, you haven't answered how you could have taken Ku_F seriously.

Third, to answer your question, I was already suspicious of you before these posts. Way before these. See my first post of the game. I think i quoted it for you in the post you just referenced. The way you jumped on Ku_F looked like you trying to find a suspicion that wasn't there. Like you wanted something to lynch someone for. Ku_F said something that clearly wasn't helpful, but at the same time, didn't hurt anything. I just didn't like the way you jumped on Ku_F for that. I'm not saying Ku_F is obvtown or anything, just that there was nothing suspicious about that joke.

First, those more important parts were already explained well enough, so I didn't ask about them.

Second, you've mocked me for it (reasonably, in retrospect), but still I've already have answered that:

Mic, you can't POSSIBLY think that Ku_F was actually at Nat's house, stalking him, and reading his PMs. How is this not clearly a joke?

... Yes, I can

possibly

think that. I know nothing about Nat and Kuffie IRL, and I specialize in paranoia. :p

Third, you explain how outing Masons is a

good

thing, and maybe I'll see things your way. *crosses arms*

[Kmd4390]

I really don't see how you can think that, but it's just going to go back and forth so just forget it.

I don't think the masons should have been outed yet, but I think Vi was going to claim regardless of what Ku_F said.

[Vi]

I'm not liking how apparently I'm on the "back burner" (and nobody's talking about Natirasha, oddly), but there's still plenty of time to take cheap shots this way.

I don't think the masons should have been outed yet, but I think Vi was going to claim regardless of what Ku_F said.

Oh, really...? I'd like for you to expand on that second statement.
In addition to that, clarify that first statement in light of this--

Are you aware that more times than not, an unconfirmed mason is scum? Not to say it's impossible for you to both be town, but if I were you, and I were town, I'd be highly suspicious of my unconfirmed mason buddy.

--because being outed sounds fairly decent for Town if you buy into this setup meta.

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And of course, since I swear I have a some grasp over the English language, the last sentence should be a question.

I'm Ron Burgundy?

[Kmd4390]

Vi, I doubt that Ku_F alone made you claim. I'm thinking you were going to claim regardless. If I am wrong let me know, but that's what I was thinking.

[Vi]

Vi, I doubt that Ku_F alone made you claim. I'm thinking you were going to claim regardless. If I am wrong let me know, but that's what I was thinking.

'Letting you know you're wrong.
I'm pretty sure we covered that I was

stupidly

blindly following Ku_F's practical joke and claimed because I thought it would completely screw the K00f's story over.

If you don't believe me here, it's your turn to answer a question. What would it mean if things are as you say and I was going to claim anyway?

[Kmd4390]

Wait, so you AND Mic BOTH thought Ku_F was seriously stalking Nat and that forced you to claim? Something is weird there.

If you were planning on claiming anyway, it would mean you didn't take Ku_F seriously at all. It would mean Mic was mistaken in blaming Ku_F for outing masons.

I still wouldn't blame Ku_F though. I don't see why you would claim because of that...

[Natirasha]

I don't know, I thought he might be telling the truth. So many people've used my computer in the last few weeks that, heck, it's quite possible.

However, I was 90% sure he was lying. In fact, I was trying to tell Vi not to claim but I got here too late.

[Vi]

Wait, so you AND Mic BOTH thought Ku_F was seriously stalking Nat and that forced you to claim?

More like I knew Ku_F was lying and wanted to turn tables on her. I thought I had a Crowning Moment of Awesome there for a second.

As far as whether Ku_F meant to out Masons...

How was I rolefishing? You claimed mason and

I wanted to know who your partner is as he could confirm that there are masons present.

But why didn't you tell who your partner is yesterday?

'Sounds like a yes to me.

Talking of which, Ku_F hasn't been here for 11 days and is being inactive in her other games (losing one because of it). 'Sounds like a replacement is in order.

[Save The Dragons]

Microphone_Kirby

-not sure how you thought StD was directing the question about an FoS being serious at you. That makes it look like you are trying to be sure to answer everything. It's like you are trying to play the "good townie". If it was just honest confusion, ignore that comment. Looking back again, I see that StD never used a name in that post, so I can see where confusion might come from.

Dear experienced player. You're overeager.

Post 97. After being asked if you have suspicions that aren't parroted, you simply call out lurkers and Nat's trap. Not much new there. I don't expect to see a lurker lynch on day 1, and Nat has been discussed plenty.

legit for all parties.

REALLY don't like the "fear" post. You aren't contributing nearly as much as you are posting. Also, you shouldn't "fear" anything about what you say if you are town. State your thoughts, and make sure we know them. It can be useful if you die and flip town. If you are scum, then yes, be afraid.

Dear experienced player. You're afraid of posting.

You say that flimsy reasons are all we have to go by. This isn't true. Good discussion is enough to make a reasonable lynch. In the same post, you say that a vanilla townie death does nothing. That's not true. You can gain quite a bit by reading someone's posts knowing that they were town and being genuine.

Dear experienced player. You say we only have flimsy reasons to go by.

Not liking the part about sacraficing vanilla's at all. We don't want to sacrafice anyone. Yes, a mislynch of a vanilla townie is better than a mislynch of a power role, but still, we shouldn't be looking to "sacrafice" anyone town-aligned. And in LYLO, you don't want a mislynch at all. Never sacrafice a vanilla in LYLO because then you lose, unless you are scum.

Not legit in my opinion.

Agreement with above post. And again, I'm not a new mafia player. I'm just not quite used to this site yet.

@STD - I'm not a newer mafia player, I'm just new to how mafiascum games work.

For one, Jebus is not a new player.

[quote="Microphone_Kirby]

Look back and you'll see that I know what you discussed as I went to Nat's house and stalked him.

How could I do something like that? Were you really buying that I know what you discussed?

I was already suspecting that you two were the masons if Nat was telling the truth.

So what did you discuss?

Why would you say such things in the first place? Oh, and I can't buy that "you were joking".

And why is it important that we know what they discussed at all?

FoS: Ku_F

QFT

Though I think this is more deserving of a vote than an FoS.

Vote: Ku_F

[/quote]

Thinks the joke is vote worthy.

Agreement with above post. And again, I'm not a new mafia player. I'm just not quite used to this site yet.

FoS: STD for 412.
Confirm vote on Vi, too.

No substance.

I'm not liking how apparently I'm on the "back burner" (and nobody's talking about Natirasha, oddly), but there's still plenty of time to take cheap shots this way.

No offense, but:

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT NATIRASHA HAS DONE THIS ENTIRE GAME HAS BEEN HELPFUL. I've been making snide comments to him as well, but I'm not getting much out of him. To be honest, the mason claim is the reason he's not getting more attention from me is because he's claimed mason.

Your pussyfooting with the whole, "we're confirmed! trust us!" thing bothers me, no matter what you say, I'm sorry. Therefore, I'm not going to put you back on the shelf and say "nope, I'm not suspicious of either of you."

Wait, so you AND Mic BOTH thought Ku_F was seriously stalking Nat and that forced you to claim? Something is weird there.

Don't forget Jebus.

[Save The Dragons]

Vote: Jebus

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tags broke. It should say in the above:

Ku_F wrote:

Look back and you'll see that I know what you discussed as I went to Nat's house and stalked him. How could I do something like that? Were you really buying that I know what you discussed?
I was already suspecting that you two were the masons if Nat was telling the truth.

So what did you discuss?


Why would you say such things in the first place? Oh, and I can't buy that "you were joking".

And why is it important that we know what they discussed at all?

FoS: Ku_F

QFT

Though I think this is more deserving of a vote than an FoS.

Vote: Ku_F

[Kmd4390]

As far as whether Ku_F meant to out Masons.

Yes, Ku_F wanted a mason claim. Doesn't mean you had to do it.


STD, what, aside from experience, seperates Jebus and Mic in your mind?

[Vi]

Your pussyfooting with the whole, "we're confirmed! trust us!" thing bothers me, no matter what you say, I'm sorry. Therefore, I'm not going to put you back on the shelf and say "nope, I'm not suspicious of either of you."

And that's fine; I can understand that.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT NATIRASHA HAS DONE THIS ENTIRE GAME HAS BEEN HELPFUL. I've been making snide comments to him as well, but I'm not getting much out of him. To be honest, the mason claim is the reason he's not getting more attention from me is because he's claimed mason.

Just looking through today, I can see you've made snide

comment

, singular, toward N; and even that enveloped both of us. That's what I was talking about in the part you quoted.
As far as Natirasha being ultimately unhelpful throughout, I'll certainly agree. But why are you paying Natirasha LESS mind and me MORE mind for literally the same thing? See Post 422 before answering.

@STD: What direction were you going with that last post, exactly? I don't quite follow where you were going overall with all the responses.

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Yes, Ku_F wanted a mason claim. Doesn't mean you had to do it.

Do I really need to get a 2x4 out and repeat why I claimed when I did whilst beating you over the head until you understand that: I told the truth the first time; my story's not going to change; and I feel that my action was justified at the time, if mistaken?

So Kmd, why are you voting Mic_K (in the context of not voting for anyone else)?

[Kmd4390]

See my post history. I've given reasons since I first replaced into the game.

[Microphone_Kirby]

I don't think the masons should have been outed yet, but I think Vi was going to claim regardless of what Ku_F said.

Well... considering Vi's recent posts, I don't think he was going to claim "regardless of what Ku_F said". *crosses arms*

You also haven't satisfactory answered my inquiry yet:

Third, you explain how outing Masons is a

good

thing, and maybe I'll see things your way. *crosses arms*

but I'll assume you don't think outing Masons is a good thing.

Now, taking another look at your little paragraph earlier, knowing what I know now:

Third, to answer your question, I was already suspicious of you before these posts. Way before these. See my first post of the game. I think i quoted it for you in the post you just referenced. The way you jumped on Ku_F looked like you trying to find a suspicion that wasn't there. Like you wanted something to lynch someone for. Ku_F said something that clearly wasn't helpful, but at the same time, didn't hurt anything. I just didn't like the way you jumped on Ku_F for that. I'm not saying Ku_F is obvtown or anything, just that there was nothing suspicious about that joke.

I believe that Kuffie did try to out the masons (then and now) and it's now clear that Vi wasn't planning to claim Mason without provocation or a fight so...
One: the suspicion was there, and I already had

someone else

from yesterday I wanted to lynch. That's why I voted on the first post of this day.
Two: It did hurt something (for lack of better context). Vi = viable NK target.
Three: The way I see it...

you

jumped on me in a similar way you said I have Kuffie, IMO.
Four: The Joke itself wasn't suspicious; her intentions in telling it were, though.

[Kmd4390]

Well... considering Vi's recent posts, I don't think he was going to claim "regardless of what Ku_F said". *crosses arms*

Guess not...

You also haven't satisfactory answered my inquiry yet:

Third, you explain how outing Masons is a

good

thing, and maybe I'll see things your way. *crosses arms*

Well, if Nat is really a mason, having the other mason claim can give us confidence in that. If Nat is scum fake claiming mason, we either get a situation where no one claims it, or we force one of Nat's buddies to fakeclaim. That would be a great situation because as soon as Nat or Vi were to die and flip non mason scum, the other is auto scum. I doubt that's the situation we have here, but it's possible, and would be a good thing.

You're right in assuming I was against Vi's claim though. The above is a stretch, but I wanted to entertain possibilities where outing a mason would be a good thing.

I believe that Kuffie did try to out the masons (then and now) and it's now clear that Vi wasn't planning to claim Mason without provocation or a fight so...
One: the suspicion was there, and I already had

someone else

from yesterday I wanted to lynch. That's why I voted on the first post of this day.
Two: It did hurt something (for lack of better context). Vi = viable NK target.
Three: The way I see it...

you

jumped on me in a similar way you said I have Kuffie, IMO.
Four: The Joke itself wasn't suspicious; her intentions in telling it were, though.

Yes, Vi said he claimed because of Ku_F. Yes, Ku_F wanted Vi to claim. You are right on this one.

To One: I see where your suspicion comes from now. Personally, I think Ku_F thought it would be good for the town for Vi to claim. I don't agree with this, but I think that was what Ku_F was thinking. And... Ok, I see that you voted Jebus.

To Two:I don't know about that. If I were scum, I wouldn't mind having the distraction of unconfirmed masons around, especially if both ARE town.

To Three:How is it similar?

To Four: Ok, so you acknowledge it as a joke now. I don't think there were any intentions in the joke. Ku_F clearly said the masons should claim and THEN made the joke. Two seperate issues here.

[Vi]

Why do I only see three, maybe four people in this topic with ten supposedly playing? There's only so far we can go without outside input here.

[Kmd4390]

Mod, can we get prods on Drake, Ku_F, Jebus, and Cap please?

[Kmd4390]

Mod, can we get prods on Drake, Ku_F, Jebus, and Cap please?

[Kmd4390]

Mod, can we get prods on Drake, Ku_F, Jebus, and Cap please?

If it hasn't been mentioned already I'm VLA until Friday. Any lynches that occur will occur when I get back.

On Friday apparently...

[Vi]

Still, considering Jebus's recent activity on the board, wouldn't it be really nice to not have to send that prod out?