I assume nothing. I base the fact that I think he's protown on no assumptions, but on logic.Biohazard wrote:I don't understand your first post. Finding a person to be pro-town is far from assuming them to town? I'd think that if a person finds a player pro-town then they could assume the player to be town because if all the players found people to be pro-town but had doubts of assuming them town then it would affect the way to scumhunt because they can't lock on in any people if everybody they see isn't town but acts protown. Also wheter I think all discussion helps, yes I do. I'm not sure what TA is but I think at the moment it's irrelivant to the current game at hand. If you believe all discussion doesn't help then state your reasons instead of just trying to fit it to your liking so you can defend your non-participation in discussion.
.Secondly for me, today, I think that the lynch should be either porkens or gorrad, both who have fairly solid cases built against them by multiple different people. This isnt saying we still shouldnt be watching Fleur for any more slippups, but the other two are higher in my scum books
So basically you think that because you found one post of fleur's scummy, he was entitled to vote her in that opportunistic way. How does this make Porkens' any less suspicious?SpyreX wrote:You're pulling a trick,Why? Why do you think he's entitled to just hop on the fleur bandwagon like that, while he's never posted seriously before? Just because you are that convinced fleur is scum? What if she isn't? You are just assuming that she's scum.
Also, I'm going to throw out something hypothetical here. Assume fleur-scum and porkens-scum. Do you think that it would have been unlikely for prokens-scum to have voted fleur-scum? I actually don't think so.So we can disregard fleur's alignment in this, Porkens simply did something scummy.
from his post six.
Switching the names,
exactly the same.
Its not realistic,
to yell "opportunistic"
When you consider,
what she had for dinner.
Post 105,
WILL NEVER JIVE.
So someone voting,
is never doting.
I am not assuming anything. I find it more likely that a pro-town character has to find someone than an anti-town. I just think that it's better to wait to lynch fleur until we have more information, especially since we have two people that are more suspicious, namely Porkens and Gorrad.Your thoughts are muddy,Fleur has to find someone. Don't you find it a bit unlikely that a mafia-aligned player would have to find his buddy?
why assume its her buddy?
You give me the roll eyes,
when she could have easily lied.
Or that finding is good,
Why believe that it would.
You've got some gumption,
with your assumptions.
You said 'the case is weak'. Care to explain why it is weak, because you haven't reacted to the case itself at all. What do you mean 'the others aren't playing'.The case is weak,The only opinion that is known is about fleur. When I asked you about porkens, you managed to give an answer that'ssimply untrue, and with all my other attempts to get you to talk about someone or something not called 'fleur' amount in you evading the question and redirecting it back to fleur.
I do not seek.
Since I dont agree,
You give the third degree?
The others aren't playing,
so what am I saying?
It should be no riddle,
my stance is the middle.
Nope. I think you can see from miles away that your tunnel vision on fleur is way worse than my focus on Porkens. I am open minded about the Gorrad case, and as you saw from my first post I was open minded about fleur as well, I just think that we shouldn't lynch her yet.You know very well where my suspicions lie.Mostly on porkens. And the more I am conversing with you, the more I have the feeling that you are using your PR to avoid my questions.From where I sit,I know it's a bit hard for you to post a lot of information like that, but I must say that you've done pretty well so far, you've been really creative. If you are really the vig,then I think it'd be good for you to stray away a bit from your tunnel vision on fleur.
I see a hypocrite.
And you did it again. Yes, I am trying to get you to talk about Porkens and react to his case, but you won't even do that.Your attempts have no torque,and with all my other attempts to get you to talk aboutsomeone or somethingnot called 'fleur' amount in you evading the question and redirecting it back to fleur.
they're only on pork.
Your heuristic,
is opportunistic.
I've seen lying,
to avoid dying.
Threaten the town,
turn upside down.
Saying give silence,
to avoid violence?
Saying I have desperation,
to avoid my accusations.
Its like a look,
in the scum book.
No reason alive,
after 105.
Every post confirms,
that she is a worm.
*Checks wiki* Still don't see how it's relevant to this game. The "group" of people in TA are only certian people who are not in this game so basically you state that they "do whatever they want in discussion" have no correlation in this game at all and that reasoning really doesn't back up your statement about how discussion doesn't always help. Also I don't like your meta defense here. "The case has been made on me numerous of times so really I can't do anything to defend myself" In some cases this would be exceptional reason because if a case on playstyle is exerted numerous times over a span of games then the player can't really do anything to prove otherwise but use a metadefense. However your course of actions over the game differ from any others so I can't assume "He's using the same playstyle over and over so he should be town" I look at the actions of players not how they play the game because if everybody was just going to bring in a metadefense when someone attacks them on certian actions then they can just do the same thing everygame and prove that their playstyle and suspicion is off them.Gorrad wrote:I assume nothing. I base the fact that I think he's protown on no assumptions, but on logic.Biohazard wrote:I don't understand your first post. Finding a person to be pro-town is far from assuming them to town? I'd think that if a person finds a player pro-town then they could assume the player to be town because if all the players found people to be pro-town but had doubts of assuming them town then it would affect the way to scumhunt because they can't lock on in any people if everybody they see isn't town but acts protown. Also wheter I think all discussion helps, yes I do. I'm not sure what TA is but I think at the moment it's irrelivant to the current game at hand. If you believe all discussion doesn't help then state your reasons instead of just trying to fit it to your liking so you can defend your non-participation in discussion.
TA stands for Team Asshat, a group that takes delight in taking a game and doing whatever the hell they like regardless of who it effects. They have a page in the wiki. You should look at it.
Frankly, if y'all can't be bothered to even read the other times this exact same case has been made against me (and I assure you, it has), then I see no reason to defend myself further.
Oh, and for the scum that may or may not be pressing me- my role is probably the coolest one I've seen in a long time. However, it has an unexpected upside- if I die, it does hurt town, but it hurts scum almost as much. It's one of those everyone loses scenarios (looses the scenario, not the game or anything). You aren't getting a lick more out of me until my neck is more on the line than this, but scum keep that in mind.
Jumping on scummy,So basically you think that because you found one post of fleur's scummy, he was entitled to vote her in that opportunistic way. How does this make Porkens' any less suspicious?
The first and second,I am not assuming anything.I find it more likely that a pro-town character has to find someone than an anti-town.I just think that it's better to wait to lynch fleur until we have more information, especially since we have two people that are more suspicious, namely Porkens and Gorrad.
Everything I've said,You said 'the case is weak'. Care to explain why it is weak, because you haven't reacted to the case itself at all. What do you mean 'the others aren't playing'.
Nope. I think you can see from miles away that your tunnel vision on fleur is way worse than my focus on Porkens. I am open minded about the Gorrad case, and as you saw from my first post I was open minded about fleur as well, I just think that we shouldn't lynch her yet.
Gorrad is iffy,
Porkens is spiffy.
Kloud isn't dumb,
neither is Plum.
Still no one loose,
why Fleur has no noose.
You fill me with bile,And you did it again. Yes, I am trying to get you to talk about Porkens and react to his case, but you won't even do that.
I disagree, but let's put that aside for a moment. Say you're right- how would that make me any more likely to be scum? That goes for everyone who agrees with him.SpyreX wrote:The first and second,I am not assuming anything.I find it more likely that a pro-town character has to find someone than an anti-town.I just think that it's better to wait to lynch fleur until we have more information, especially since we have two people that are more suspicious, namely Porkens and Gorrad.
dont line up I reckon.
this is sounding to me a lot like Fleur's "I am valuable to scum and to town" post she did.Gorrad wrote:Oh, and for the scum that may or may not be pressing me- my role is probably the coolest one I've seen in a long time. However, it has an unexpected upside- if I die, it does hurt town, but it hurts scum almost as much. It's one of those everyone loses scenarios (looses the scenario, not the game or anything).
same thought popped into my mindwolframnhart wrote:this is sounding to me a lot like Fleur's "I am valuable to scum and to town" post she did.Gorrad wrote:Oh, and for the scum that may or may not be pressing me- my role is probably the coolest one I've seen in a long time. However, it has an unexpected upside- if I die, it does hurt town, but it hurts scum almost as much. It's one of those everyone loses scenarios (looses the scenario, not the game or anything).
Um. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I thought SpyreX was just putting that in his basic response to Sirdanilot; pointing out what he felt a flaw in the logic, nothing against you. I'm also not sure how much of a contradiction there is there. But it seems you're quoting a post about Fleur's claim which Sirdanilot and SpyreX are arguing about which has nothing directly to do with your case and telling us that whether or not it's contradictory it doesn't make you more likely to be scum. Fine, I don't think it does, but I think the way you threw it in there was less than sensical and confusing. Gorrad, what was this about???Gorrad wrote:I disagree, but let's put that aside for a moment. Say you're right- how would that make me any more likely to be scum? That goes for everyone who agrees with him.SpyreX wrote:The first and second,I am not assuming anything.I find it more likely that a pro-town character has to find someone than an anti-town.I just think that it's better to wait to lynch fleur until we have more information, especially since we have two people that are more suspicious, namely Porkens and Gorrad.
dont line up I reckon.
Deja vu, or did weGorrad wrote:Oh, and for the scum that may or may not be pressing me- my role is probably the coolest one I've seen in a long time. However, it has an unexpected upside- if I die, it does hurt town, but it hurts scum almost as much. It's one of those everyone loses scenarios (looses the scenario, not the game or anything). You aren't getting a lick more out of me until my neck is more on the line than this, but scum keep that in mind.
QFT. Fleur, please do so. You haven't really answered the questions or refuted the scum-tells SpyreX noted in his case against you.Ok, so first of all Fleur, you arn't helping yourself out at all. When asked to refute a case against yourself, do it. And do it legitmately.
It is perplexingthis is sounding to me a lot like Fleur's "I am valuable to scum and to town" post she did.
How does this make you less likely to be scum? As a matter of fact, it makes you more likely to be scum, since scum know what they're talking about!Gorrad wrote:Unlike Fleur, I know what I'm talking about.
Biohazard wrote:*Checks wiki* Still don't see how it's relevant to this game. The "group" of people in TA are only certian people who are not in this game so basically you state that they "do whatever they want in discussion" have no correlation in this game at all and that reasoning really doesn't back up your statement about how discussion doesn't always help.
SpyreX wrote:Someone said: "persuade us" so it was me trying to persuade you to give me a chance. And so, as a person having a mission to find other person (i have no idea if i'm looking for a scum or a townie, i'm looking for someone who lost slippers), I think it is important role for townies, becuase my role is pro-town, and for scum, cause i am a good target because i'm a prince working during nights and being pro town.i can only say that you should save me. i don't know if i can reveal my role, i don't think i can.; however, it ishighly importantfor the townies but important for scums as well. this is why you should give me a chance
Yes, I said "what if" so i did not say if they kill me, the town fails. i think every person who reveals if they pro town are automaticaly afraid of mafia, an a person who reveals his mission as well is even more afraid. i think my role is important in the game, for i am looking for other person, and i get a bonus for completing it. and as i said, it is a pro town role so probably i get a pro town bonusi am important for scum, because i am an important player in the game-as i said, what if they kill me and this means they win the whole game? even if not, as a member of town i would hate being killed as an important member-for town's sake
that's why i felt uncomfortable with revealing my character earlier, and asked for the doctor to take care of me during ni
Yes, i dont know what to explained here. Spyrex even quoted the fragment in which i say "what if my role is THAT important" but i never claimed it is extremey important. but i thin it is important, for each townie is importantI don't think he does put words in my mouth, quite a few times i saidthat i never claimed that my role is that important,i said i was only asking you what if-look at my posts just before claiming and after claiming my role
I'd like to see you try,
to say thats no lie.
Under some attack,
you pedaled back.
The "what if" was said twice,
Town take my advice
This one is a cinch,
and deserves this lynch.