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[Datisi]

though in that universe, iv must have decided to sheep math when it was really convenient to do so, i.e. when math's reads were ass-backwards

will actually try to get that figured out tomorrow

[Aristeia]

IV's play makes a lot of sense as disinterested scum who is coasting and has no idea how to post and it fits his scum meta to a T.

Every time he pops in here he is not really interesting in solving or giving opinions and immediately ducks out without answering questions about his thought process.

[MathBlade]

i really don't think ari shoots house here if iv's town, considering house is defending her, hates me, hates andres, and said that he's voting iv if iv is alive

I think either she is traitor and it’s out of her hands or she is wifoming or it’s you + Andres.

either she's a traitor or groupscum or she's town

i am sensing math is town, iv is scum, and this is going to shit fast

How does this pass normal review if IV is scum?

Why does IV CC House vig claim?
Why does IV use a weak ass “no result” claim when a “Ari is scum” likely wins him the game?

[Aristeia]

I already listed several. The biggest no TPRs if IV is town. I don’t think this passes review if IV scum. You’re better off selling me Dats+Andres or whoever you think is scum with IV if town

I am only interested in IV scum today so if you want to hard-veto it and he's actually scum you can take 100% of the blame here.

[Aristeia]

How does this pass normal review if IV is scum?

If IV is town, that would mean scum have a roleblocker and that makes this setup

even more scumsided

than if IV is just scum rolecop/gunsmith here.

[Datisi]

how does this pass review if iv is town? how the hell does town get a basically n2 gunsmith (which has plenty of bad results here) in exchange for scum having a blocker and being able to create a disaster if they block baltar (who has EVERY REASON TO CRUMB THE NIGHT BEFORE) and he ends up targeting scum?

[MathBlade]

How does this pass normal review if IV is scum?

If IV is town, that would mean scum have a roleblocker and that makes this setup

even more scumsided

than if IV is just scum rolecop/gunsmith here.

I disagree that scum would have a roleblocker

And that wouldn’t make it more scum sided if they did
Rolestopper or JK or doc make more sense

[Aristeia]

Why does IV use a weak ass “no result” claim when a “Ari is scum” likely wins him the game?

this is just wifom. perhaps he is too scared to fake a guilty on me.

[Datisi]

Why does IV CC House vig claim?
Why does IV use a weak ass “no result” claim when a “Ari is scum” likely wins him the game?

iv didn't cc anything? and i think he loses almost any 1v1 he is put into here. like, do you really think scum!iv manages to outpost me or you or ari? or shit, even andres?

[MathBlade]

how does this pass review if iv is town? how the hell does town get a basically n2 gunsmith (which has plenty of bad results here) in exchange for scum having a blocker and being able to create a disaster if they block baltar (who has EVERY REASON TO CRUMB THE NIGHT BEFORE) and he ends up targeting scum?

Again I do not agree with the premise that scum have a blocker here

And I think that IV town and RB scum is more townsided
Than IV scum

[Datisi]

if they have a rolestopper, same problem
jailkeeper, same problem

even the fucking ascetic runs into the same problem

the possibility of a doc is irrelevant considering he got a no result

[MathBlade]

Why does IV CC House vig claim?
Why does IV use a weak ass “no result” claim when a “Ari is scum” likely wins him the game?

iv didn't cc anything? and i think he loses almost any 1v1 he is put into here. like, do you really think scum!iv manages to outpost me or you or ari? or shit, even andres?

Incorrect

IV CC’d House specifically asking if House is the vig before doing so

I agree IV seems disinterested
But it seems more town disinterest

Scum disinterest reads more like Andres

[Aristeia]

How does this pass normal review if IV is scum?

If IV is town, that would mean scum have a roleblocker and that makes this setup

even more scumsided

than if IV is just scum rolecop/gunsmith here.

I disagree that scum would have a roleblocker

And that wouldn’t make it more scum sided if they did
Rolestopper or JK or doc make more sense

the idea here is that the town is

incredibly weak power wise

.

The

strongest

TPR is the weak fruit thing.

If that TPR can get false innos - this setup would just not function - if we are unable to trust the innos generated by literally the only TPR we have, then like this town is even more fucked.

So I can't see how the mafia can have anything that can block that TPR and generate false innos (ascetic, roleblocker, jker, rolestopper) all of these are just ridiculous to put in this setup given how weak the town is.

[Datisi]

IV CC’d House specifically asking if House is the vig before doing so

what, quote where this happened, because iv never counterclaimed house

and i'm not talking about interest
i'm offering an explanation for why scum!iv does not fake a guilty in this universe we live in

[MathBlade]

if they have a rolestopper, same problem
jailkeeper, same problem

even the fucking ascetic runs into the same problem

the possibility of a doc is irrelevant considering he got a no result

I disagree with the same problem

Rolestopper has to guess the target
Making it much less utility for scum.
Jailkeeper or RB less likely than Rolestopper

Maybe one shot or even night

But I find IV town most likely here

[Aristeia]

actually do you both agree that regardless of whether IV is town or scum this town is really on the weak end of power and probably this setup shouldn't have been passed?

[Aristeia]

Rolestopper has to guess the target

the weak fruit thing literally has to crumb its invest beforehand - that's not really guessing for the mafia

[MathBlade]

To be clear House is the vigilante right, If I’m seeing this correctly

Okay - I’m a town even nights Gunsmith. I Checked Something Smart last night and he did have a gun in flavor

Hi sorry guys - this game has been moving rly fast and I haven’t put much time here

I have information that Something Smart is probably scum, I would maybe be like 95% on it

VOTE: Something Smart

@Datisi here is where he counter claimed House vig

[Datisi]

Rolestopper has to guess the target
Making it much less utility for scum.
Jailkeeper or RB less likely than Rolestopper

vp has to crumb his target
and scum rolestoppers are very likely to target their buddies anyway

ari, i don't wanna be making judgement calls on the setup before i see it in full, but it feels that way

[MathBlade]

actually do you both agree that regardless of whether IV is town or scum this town is really on the weak end of power and probably this setup shouldn't have been passed?

I would pass it if you’re ascetic scum
Or scum had an even night Rolestopper
50/50 on roleblocker

@Ari so scum have to use PRs well

That’s called good setup balance

[Datisi]

To be clear House is the vigilante right, If I’m seeing this correctly

Okay - I’m a town even nights Gunsmith. I Checked Something Smart last night and he did have a gun in flavor

Hi sorry guys - this game has been moving rly fast and I haven’t put much time here

I have information that Something Smart is probably scum, I would maybe be like 95% on it

VOTE: Something Smart

@Datisi here is where he counter claimed House vig

no? that is where he made sure house is claiming vig in order to know whether his "has gun" result on s_s is because s_s is scum or vig???

[Aristeia]

think for a second about the balance in this setup - this town is INCREDIBLY WEAK

Like the scum made a choice to shoot House.

I think this means the scum actually believed House when House said he was a provable TPR because the scum thought the town was really really weak - which implies the scum know something about the claimed TPRs - aka they know IV is not an actual gunsmith.

[MathBlade]

To be clear House is the vigilante right, If I’m seeing this correctly

Okay - I’m a town even nights Gunsmith. I Checked Something Smart last night and he did have a gun in flavor

Hi sorry guys - this game has been moving rly fast and I haven’t put much time here

I have information that Something Smart is probably scum, I would maybe be like 95% on it

VOTE: Something Smart

@Datisi here is where he counter claimed House vig

no? that is where he made sure house is claiming vig in order to know whether his "has gun" result on s_s is because s_s is scum or vig???

That’s what I am meaning

Scum IV would have a PT there’s no need for that. He’d just have done so

[MathBlade]

think for a second about the balance in this setup - this town is INCREDIBLY WEAK

Like the scum made a choice to shoot House.

I think this means the scum actually believed House when House said he was a provable TPR because the scum thought the town was really really weak - which implies the scum know something about the claimed TPRs - aka they know IV is not an actual gunsmith.

It’s actually not.

Vig acts as a dual IC in normals.

The modifier can’t be given to scum.

[Datisi]

and the reason scum!iv wouldn't be able to fake this incredibly basic thing to fake is...?