Micro 1041: Geriatric F11 [Postgame]

[Looker]

Okay, 3 vs. 3, let's leave it up to Joq then. I at least trust that he's town.

Looker, do you read Sleeper as town now? Weren't they formerly on your would-yeet list?

This question was not purely rhetorical.

I know it wasn't, but what's the point of asking this right before night phase?

Looker: "I don't read Sleepless as town"
Looker: *dies*
WIFOMing scum: *frame*

I feel like this should've been brought up back when I initially questioned you about Sleepless 4 days ago.

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I'm curious why Dwlee didn't take (or at least feign) offense at being called a negative town utility. You would expect a town player being criticized for their town play to defend said play. It's probably because there's no town play to defend, and thus no offense to be taken.

[Dwlee99]

I literally don't care anymore dude. Sometimes I'm hot. Sometimes I'm cold. You watched me be cold for a whole game til ELO where I (correctly) figured out you were town but you got voted out anyway. I really do not care if you think my town play is good or not and I think you're grasping at straws here

[joqiza]

I'm here and making final decision.

[Andante]

Looker/Sleepless is maf..... vote either of them...

[Looker]

@Andante

Is not Dwlee the reason we spent 7 days with limited progress? What player do you feel is to blame?

• What question/inquiry did you spend 7 days trying to get answered? As in, what did you try to do for the last 7 days and who prevented you from doing it?

[Andante]

You're saying cause dwlee wasn't here no one could say anything? I spent the past 7 days saying you and sleepless are maf. you have spent 7 days yelling that I'm making stuff up, literally not sure what you're wanting me to say lol

[joqiza]

I'm just reading over the game again and will probably hammer a little bit before deadline to be safe. I'm leaning Dwlee but still undecided so if anyone has any particularly illuminating points, now is the time to share them. Better yet would be for Dwlee/SA to post if they're around.

[Looker]

Lol, that's what it sounded like you were saying, which is why I asked: Who stopped you from doing what?

Like, yes, I'm not opposed to a dwlee lim, my issue is that we spent 7 days, no one doing much, and now it's like "yeah, lim the one who isn't doing much" so dwlee flips town, then what? 7 more days of nothing then yeeting another town??

If Dwlee flips scum, who do you feel is most likely partner? If Dwlee flips town, I have to assume I get elim'd next?

[joqiza]

Intent to hammer Dwlee ~20 min before deadline (seems reasonable to do it a bit early to be safe).

I reserve the right to change my mind conditional on posting from Dwlee and/or SA.

The main reason I don't think Looker/SA is a world is because I TR Looker. My table reads are: Umlaut, Roadkill, Looker town. In the remaining PoE, I don't read any pair as particularly teamed, so. Low confidence in my reads this game, ig? I'm choosing to favor table reads over associatives in the end. I don't.... really think SA is super towny, but I feel like he's given thoughts throughout the game that sort of make sense, whereas with Dwlee I find myself disagreeing with them (Andante read, Looker read, mainly). Caveat's that SA's singular pop-in on pg 17 makes me nervous, given the gamestate.

@Andante I don't think Looker is scum. If you're town, and right, and you feel like I'm not listening to you, then I'm sorry. I think you know that I do listen to you, in Pokemaf (finally complete) I literally vigged dia because I believed in your reads. This game you feel different to me. I told you I didn't vibe with your mc esther read and you ignored me. Based on the info I have rn, even if I assume the best about your intentions I can't assume your reads are any better this game than mine. Your arguments on their own merits aren't convincing as to me it feels like you just tersely repeat your hypotheses. So, I'm not sheeping you.

[Dwlee99]

Not agreeing on reads isn't a scum tell mmm

What did you agree with me on in pokemaf?

[joqiza]

So, for one thing, I thought your reaction to Koba was townier in that game than anything you've demonstrated here. I didn't really vocally express it that game, because I was busy at the time and fell behind. But I'm pretty sure I never actually voted you in that game.

The other thing is, this is a small game and you and I don't agree on the narratives you've made yourself clear on. That doesn't preclude you from being town but in my experience it is

quite likely

that I end up disagreeing with mafia in games. It's not the strongest tell, sure. I can be wrong and pocketed.

Are you living in the Looker/SA world? You seem to have mostly interacted with Looker. I think Looker is town atm. Either change my mind on that... unless you have reasons to vote SA outside of a teamread w/ Looker? I'm not sure if you're voting SA because you scumread him independently, or if it's just for self prez.

[Roadkill]

i'm here if anyone needs anything! glad to make it this time.

[Dwlee99]

I still hold to my Roadkill/Looker/Sleepless group, but there's a decent amount of self preservation there yea cause that's literally the only other wagon. I'd rather kill Looker than sleepless and voted that until very recently but there was no one else there

[Looker]

Why me

[Roadkill]

why do you still hold to that group?

(not like ah... why do you think that dumb but a genuine sort of why? like why are your reasons when i think the last time you gave that list it was a dayphase ago? or at least, gave reasons, and i think you are more likely to die here so... having updated reasons would be nice if you are town.)

(...i don't really think that and i'm sorry... you can yell at me all you want after the game if i'm messing up but i just can't see what your angle here is as town and the things you're saying i just... don't agree with at all and they run against the grain of how i see the game.)

(any reads at all just, please?)

[Dwlee99]

Why me

You're not playing anything like when I've seen you as town

It's also a poe because I townread the rest of the playerlist

I don't see anything that should change my mind either sooo yea

[Dwlee99]

Kinda funny my entire scum poe is voting me though

[Roadkill]

why do you still hold to that group?

(not like ah... why do you think that dumb but a genuine sort of why? like why are your reasons when i think the last time you gave that list it was a dayphase ago? or at least, gave reasons, and i think you are more likely to die here so... having updated reasons would be nice if you are town.)

[Umlaut]

Okay, 3 vs. 3, let's leave it up to Joq then. I at least trust that he's town.

Looker, do you read Sleeper as town now? Weren't they formerly on your would-yeet list?

This question was not purely rhetorical.

I know it wasn't, but what's the point of asking this right before night phase?

Looker: "I don't read Sleepless as town"
Looker: *dies*
WIFOMing scum: *frame*

I feel like this should've been brought up back when I initially questioned you about Sleepless 4 days ago

Maybe it should have, you're right.

It took me several reads to figure out the framing scenario you're talking about here. You're saying that if you say you don't townread Sleepless,

and

Sleepless is town, the Mafia will kill you to make Sleepless look bad? That seems really contrived to me. Do you really think that specific scenario is much more likely than Mafia killing anyone else for any other reason?

[Umlaut]

I guess it's kind of too late to get a response to that but if we're still both around tomorrow you can answer me then.

[Umlaut]

Making another meaningless post just because I have so many to spare, wooooo

[joqiza]

Any last thoughts from... anyone, I guess? I'll probably hammer a little closer to deadline than I said before.

[Umlaut]

I was going to hammer myself if you seemed to be absent at the 20 minute mark; no real objection to your going ahead with it now.

[Umlaut]

Er, I was going to hammer

Dwlee

myself, not hammer myself.

[joqiza]

@Dwlee I'm about to hammer you. I don't blame you if you're town just me not being able to quite get to your worldview. If you have anything to say in the next 5 min do so plz.