Mini 687 - Time Abuse Mafia (Game Over in Epic Fashion)

[Scattered]

Two problems
1. If that role is actually in this game, it should probably activate when you activate the Time Dilation and kill everyone who has targeted or something.
2. Your ability is not indicative to one alignment, I could easily see that as a scum ability.

1. Wrong. How on earth would I know someone has targeted me, without that action taking place. It makes far more sense to have the ability the way I have stated.

2. Sure, I never asked to be called confirmed town. But I would gain far more from claiming if the role is town aligned, than if it was scum aligned.

[Scattered]

Two problems
1. If that role is actually in this game, it should probably activate when you activate the Time Dilation and kill everyone who has targeted or something.
2. Your ability is not indicative to one alignment, I could easily see that as a scum ability.

1. Wrong. How on earth would I know someone has targeted me, without that action taking place. It makes far more sense to have the ability the way I have stated.

2. Sure, I never asked to be called confirmed town. But I would gain far more from claiming if the role is town aligned, than if it was scum aligned.

EBWOP: Also, for the first point, as I am not actually using an ability (since it is passive when someone targets me), using a time dilation device does not fit the context of the rules.

[Zakeri]

I knew it! All "sees" are Skum! I knew I should have voted for you first, but I thought Krusiere was more dangerous for having two "sees".

I will Kill all "sees"!

[Vi]

I would agree with Komrade Zakari, but then I would have to be Komrade Wi after applying the akksent, and that would be rather Wi-erd.

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I now see a problem with Scattered's claim, and it's Post 23. To my understanding, the Night Actions basically don't happen until a Time Dilation Device is used. Therefore, blowing up someone who hasn't actually done anything to you yet seems strange.

And something else.

Reasons I am claiming:

2) So Scum don't NK me, unless they believe I am bluffing

Uhh... what? 'Splain that one.

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Hey, melikefood. 'Mind contributing something that doesn't require me to believe in occult divination?

[Netlava]

Scum > town power roles so I disapprove of this claim at this point. Not that it changes anything.

Original Roll String: 12d4

12 4-Sided Dice: (4, 1, 3, 2, 2, 4, 1, 2, 2, 4, 3, 3) = 31

1 = scum

[Netlava]

Cruciare and pickemgenius are scum.

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[Netlava]

Vote: Cruciare

[RossWilliam]

Scattered's claim bothers me as well due to the Time Dilation rules.....it doesn't seem logical. But I also feel like if he made up the role he might have said someone about lynching would cause a self-destruction too.....he still left himself a way to be killed

[Scattered]

Guys, read all my damn posts, I've explained perfectly logically why having a time dilation device would make no sense for my role. There isn't much more I can say on the matter.

quote="Scattered 17"]Reasons I am claiming:

2) So Scum don't NK me, unless they believe I am bluffing

Uhh... what? 'Splain that one.
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Are you really asking why scum won't NK someone who blows up anyone who targets them at night?

[Vi]

Guys, read all my damn posts, I've explained perfectly logically why having a time dilation device would make no sense for my role. There isn't much more I can say on the matter.

'Hope that's not in response to me; I don't see where you'd need one with your role as claimed.

Are you really asking why scum won't NK someone who blows up anyone who targets them at night?

No, I'm asking why you don't want to be NKd by them when

getting NKd kills a scum

.

@Netlava and melikefood: Okay, voting by dice is seriously retarded.

[Cruciare]

Scattered, would you agree to use your supposed suicide kill before the end of D1?

[Scattered]

Scattered, would you agree to use your supposed suicide kill before the end of D1?

If I believed it was the best option I could make considering the circumstances (e.g. I believed I had found scum) then yes. Seems a bit of a scummy request though.

[Scattered]

Are you really asking why scum won't NK someone who blows up anyone who targets them at night?

No, I'm asking why you don't want to be NKd by them when

getting NKd kills a scum

.

Ah ok. The reason was that scum aren't the only ones who have abilities, and it would put the town in a bad situation if I got targeted by a town aligned player.

[Cruciare]

Here's the deal, I don't like your claim at all. I do not want a time bomb that may or may not explode ticking away right under our noses. My opinion as of now is that you're lying, but I could be wrong. If you're telling the truth, scum would probably not target you. But pro-town power roles who don't believe you may. And honestly, I'd rather not find out that way. The existance of a role like the one you've claimed is extremely awkward. I want the problem of you solved sooner than later, whether it's by lynch or suicide kill.

[Vi]

Are you really asking why scum won't NK someone who blows up anyone who targets them at night?

No, I'm asking why you don't want to be NKd by them when

getting NKd kills a scum

.

Ah ok. The reason was that scum aren't the only ones who have abilities, and it would put the town in a bad situation if I got targeted by a town aligned player.

Nonono. I'm not talking about adverse side effects of getting targeted by a Town player. I'm talking about how you specifically said you do not want to be hit by scum. massive difference.

'Twould be nice if some more people commented here.

[melikefood]

Are we done being random?

Unvote

So, I'm thinking if Skatterd's role klaim is true, then it was put in to konfuse us.

If he's lying, then I'm thinking that he wants targeting immunity, which is WIFOM'y.

[Scattered]

Are you really asking why scum won't NK someone who blows up anyone who targets them at night?

No, I'm asking why you don't want to be NKd by them when

getting NKd kills a scum

.

Ah ok. The reason was that scum aren't the only ones who have abilities, and it would put the town in a bad situation if I got targeted by a town aligned player.

Nonono. I'm not talking about adverse side effects of getting targeted by a Town player. I'm talking about how you specifically said you do not want to be hit by scum. massive difference.

'Twould be nice if some more people commented here.

I do get your point now, and I perhaps didn't think through how to put what I meant.

From my point of view, you have a confirmed townie/one shot vig that can't be NK'ed unless the scum wants to sacrifice one of themselves. Though, I'll concede this depends on you trusting me, and is a bit WIFOMy. If the town has a good target that they believe is likely scum, I will be willing to take the hit, so they can lynch someone else that day.

I still believe it was by far the better option, compared to risking getting hit by a town aligned action and taking two town out by accident. This method has a lot more controllable benefits and risks, and raises the probability of hitting scum with my ability.

[Natirasha]

Turbo Pro-Tip: Skum have to kill themselves to kill. I believe this was diskussed in the planning thread, right? Also, there probably would have had to be a nightkill last night if skum kould kill.

[pickemgenius]

whoa shit a claim.

at the moment, I have no hardcore reason not to believe it.

[Netlava]

Unvote, vote: tacobell

http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z5UzoVAinA

[Grandfather Time]

Votecount

Vi --- 2 {MafiaSSK, pickemgenius}
Scattered --- 2 {Cruciare, Natirasha}
Cruciare --- 1 {Zakeri}
MafiaSSK --- 1 {Scattered}

None --- 6 {Doomsday, forbiddanlight, melikefood, Netlava, RossWilliam, Vi}

Mainframe

Temporal Stability, nominal.
Energy Reserves, stable.
Subjects living, twelve.
Quorum value, seven.

[Scattered]

Turbo Pro-Tip: Skum have to kill themselves to kill. I believe this was diskussed in the planning thread, right? Also, there probably would have had to be a nightkill last night if skum kould kill.

I wouldn't usually count NK as a normal night ability, and if scum have to kill themselves to make kills, it would mean we might have an above average amount of scum. Is there anyway you can prove it was discussed in planning thread (without getting modkilled).

[Natirasha]

Turbo Pro-Tip: Skum have to kill themselves to kill. I believe this was diskussed in the planning thread, right? Also, there probably would have had to be a nightkill last night if skum kould kill.

I wouldn't usually count NK as a normal night ability, and if scum have to kill themselves to make kills, it would mean we might have an above average amount of scum. Is there anyway you can prove it was discussed in planning thread (without getting modkilled).

Not really. Ask forbiddan, he read the thread.

[Scattered]

By the way, from the mods post

MainframeTemporal Stability, nominal.
Energy Reserves, stable.
Subjects living, twelve.

Quorum value, seven.

Anyone got any idea what the bolded means? If Natirasha's statement is correct about Mafia having to kill themselves to achieve a kill, it could well be the number of pro-town players in game (though this is speculation).[/b]

[Natirasha]

That'd mean there's five non-town...