Mini 693 - Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Mafia (OVER)

[iLord]

I'm just saying that it's pointless. Speculating is looked down upon because it doesn't help the town, and gives MSSK possible false claim ideas (if he is scum) and gives the Mafia clues as the his abilities and the such, especially with people making it obvious that they have no idea what's going on.

Sorry if the comment sounded snid, I didn't mean it for that way.

[CoheedCambria09]

also sorry for over-reacting, just it hit a nerve because it seemed like you were talking down to me. We need more people to get into this game though, or all we will be able to do is speculate about others.

[Tarhalindur]

"Enter Link, and you too, Navi. Press C(up) to listen to Navi and her words of wisdom." - the

sorely mistaken

Deku Tree

Letsbefriends is being replaced. - Tar

The Third Vote Count (aka the "Left, Up, Right, Left, Up, Right" Vote Count):

Vote Count:

andersonw (0)
letsbefriends (3) - raider8169, malthusis
Natirasha (1) - Natirasha
malthusis (0)
ooba (2) - SilverPhoenix, Pesco47
SilverPhoenix (0)
iLord (1) - ZONEACE
ZONEACE (2) - andersonw, iLord
CoheedCambria09 (0)
Pesco47 (0)
raider8169 (2) - CoheedCambria09, ooba

Not Voting (1): letsbefriends

Votes required to lynch: 7

FoS Count:

andersonw
letsbefriends
Natirasha
malthusis
ooba
SilverPhoenix
iLord
ZONEACE
CoheedCambria09
Pesco47
raider8169

Current Deadline:

November 4, 2008 at ~6:00 P.M. (GMT -6)

First Mod Deadline Review:

October 28, 2008 at ~6:00 P.M. (GMT -6)

[ZONEACE]

OMGUS

Fos: anderson

for bandwagoning me.

[raider8169]

OMGUS

Fos: anderson

for bandwagoning me.

First FoS of the game. You must really want him dead huh?

[Tarhalindur]

"Man, I am SO bored... Things would sure be more interesting if there were more... troubles in the world... Hey, that's just between you and me, OK? Anyway, maybe we can let off some steam by breaking these jars." - A Hyrule Castle guard

First: ZazieR replaces letsbefriends, effective as soon as she posts in the thread.

Second: I have made a serious error in vote counts up to this time. Vote Counts Zero through Three have been repaired.

Third: I'm not happy with the rate of posting so far. Keep this up and your deadline will be a short one. - Tar

The Fourth Vote Count (aka the "Down, A, Down, A, Right, Down, Right, Down" Vote Count):

Vote Count:

andersonw (0)
letsbefriends (3) - raider8169, malthusis
Natirasha (1) - Natirasha
malthusis (0)
ooba (2) - SilverPhoenix, Pesco47
SilverPhoenix (0)
iLord (1) - ZONEACE
ZONEACE (2) - andersonw, iLord
CoheedCambria09 (0)
Pesco47 (0)
raider8169 (2) - CoheedCambria09, ooba

Not Voting (1): letsbefriends

Votes required to lynch: 7

FoS Count:

andersonw (1) - ZONEACE
letsbefriends
Natirasha
malthusis
ooba
SilverPhoenix
iLord
ZONEACE
CoheedCambria09
Pesco47
raider8169

Current Deadline:

November 4, 2008 at ~6:00 P.M. (GMT -6)

First Mod Deadline Review:

October 28, 2008 at ~6:00 P.M. (GMT -6)

[Pesco47]

Assuming the latest vote count is free of errors, letsbefriends has 3 votes, one of which is anon. Does anyone have a grudge against lurkers/non-confirmeds?

[CoheedCambria09]

The only explanation for it is that MafiaSSK is voting, because everyone's name shows up. Or possibly one of the two who are voting letsbefriends has a double vote. Again just speculation thats not helping one bit, but nothings been posted.

[raider8169]

Unvote

As far as I am aware I am only worth one vote. This is a test to see if that is true.

[ZazieR]

My first post in this game . I'm so glad that one of my mini's ended so that I could join this game. But now it's time to let this game roll.

Although there are some players who have almost no points (please don't disappoint the Great Deku Tree) I will mention everyone.

First player will be andersonw with the evil kitty avatar. So cute. Two posts, but I totally agree with his second one. There is no point in discussing who SSK could be. What does the town gain from it? I want everyone who is guessing about SSK's role to answer this question.

Natirasha, the self random voter. Starnge posts. Can you be a little bit more helpful?

Malthusis may explain why it's funny that SSK got banished. Depending on your explanation, IGMEOY.

Next player has only one post, so I want to know from ooba what he thinks about the banishment from SSK and what he thinks of all the guesses being made about it.

iLord has also some good posts. For all those speculating, see his seventh post.

I haven't seen any thought from Zoneace as well. Which means that I also want to hear from you what you think about the banishment from SSK and what you think of all the guesses being made about it.

I'm not sure what to think of Pesco47. I don't like all the guesses about who SSK could be, but I agree that we should ignore SSK for now.

Then is raider8169. I want to hear his thoughts about the players.

To me it seems that SilverPhoenix (SP) is rolefishing. First, he is looking which character SSK can be. But also, he is asking about roles (see post 23).
Also for what do we have to wait (post 40)? I don't understand what you're trying to say there.

FoS SilverPhoenix

And last will be CoheedCambria09. This player has to me the most terrible posts. I really want to know his answer of :'What does the town gain from discussing about SSK's character?'
You also wanted to know what the problem is (see post 49). You're rolefishing as well. Just like SP. Then I saw something which disturbed me a lot.

Again just speculation thats not helping one bit

Vote CoheedCambria09

[iLord]

I'm pretty sure its MSSK voting, as he's not shown in the not voting area like before.

@Zaz: I really don't think Coheed's speculation is indictive of scum - with my limited meta on him in an ongoing game, where he was lynched town.

SP just seems like he wants something to talk about. He's a relatively new player, so I'm inclined to say another null tell here.

[raider8169]

Its too early for me to comment on the players. Once we get a few more pages I may have something.

[iLord]

Its too early for me to comment on the players. Once we get a few more pages I may have something.

It's not too early to comment on the actions of players.

[ZazieR]

Regarding post 60:
I don't trust meta.
And it's unfair to say that my point against SP is a null tell. He may be a relative new player (is he?), but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't use it against him. He made an anti-town action in my eyes and I'm not going to write it down as a 'mistake'.

I don't know what to think about that post of yours yet.

[iLord]

Regarding post 60:
I don't trust meta.
And it's unfair to say that my point against SP is a null tell. He may be a relative new player (is he?), but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't use it against him. He made an anti-town action in my eyes and I'm not going to write it down as a 'mistake'.

I don't know what to think about that post of yours yet.

You can’t make a case without looking at meta – each person has their own set of scum and town tells. Speculation just isn’t one of Coheed’s scumtells.

You can use your point – I just don’t consider it a scumtell. New players frequently want to talk too much, and so indulge in set-up speculation.

[Pesco47]

A case made on a definitive scummy action is better than a case made on meta tells. How about giving a read on me, iLord? You have 2 sources of meta on me, what does that tell you about me so far?

I'm not particularly fond of using meta to spearhead accusations (votes), they serve their purpose in guiding one's role abilities rather.

Currently I'm willing to put down what CoCam and SP have posted as RV stage crap, not worth much now but will be looked into after a flip.

[iLord]

A case made on a definitive scummy action is better than a case made on meta tells. How about giving a read on me, iLord? You have 2 sources of meta on me, what does that tell you about me so far?

I'm not particularly fond of using meta to spearhead accusations (votes), they serve their purpose in guiding one's role abilities rather.

Currently I'm willing to put down what CoCam and SP have posted as RV stage crap, not worth much now but will be looked into after a flip.

You haven't done anything that has been sticking out to me. Meta spearheading accusations is weak. However, you must need meta to back up an accusation for it to be valid. Each player is different, there are none or very few "universal scumtells."

You're right that definitive scummy action is better than meta. But meta determines what is scummy for each player.

"After a flip?"

[Pesco47]

The RV stage is full of useful breadcrumbs/things to take out of context since no one really takes anything said in that stage seriously. After a flip, one can get working on the little things that have been nagging them from the subconscious.

I'll concede to meta under a very special circumstance: the player in question does not even know that a particular action of theirs is a meta tell. Only if they are unaware of their habits, can the meta be 100% effective against them.

You're right that definitive scummy action is better than meta. But meta determines what is scummy for each player

This could be taken a little ambiguously, somewhat circular logic.

[iLord]

The RV stage is full of useful breadcrumbs/things to take out of context since no one really takes anything said in that stage seriously. After a flip, one can get working on the little things that have been nagging them from the subconscious.

"Flip?"

I'll concede to meta under a very special circumstance: the player in question does not even know that a particular action of theirs is a meta tell. Only if they are unaware of their habits, can the meta be 100% effective against them.

Concede to who? A main focus of my last post is that I was not pushing to use Meta as a tell. Meta defines the tells.

This could be taken a little ambiguously, somewhat circular logic.

Do elaborate as I'm afraid I don't see what you are talking about. What I'm saying is that what is scummy for a player determines on how that player's individual playstyle.

[Natirasha]

Flip=when they die, their alignment is shown.

And meta is important.

[Pesco47]

So no meta = no tells for you?

If meta was that important, Natirasha should be first lynch every game, no questions asked.

[iLord]

So no meta = no tells for you?

If meta was that important, Natirasha should be first lynch every game, no questions asked.

Ah, I got the flip thing. Never heard it used like that before, but it seems obvious now.

Without meta, one must use newb tells, and even still, you should be figuring out how that player players as you play with him.

Of course, sometimes we are all lazy and circumvent looking at meta - No one has the time to look up some meta on everyone they attack. I myself have been guilty of this.

But now that I have experience with Coheed, I can easily use his meta.l

Why Natirisha?

[Pesco47]

Just go read his profile, theres all the meta you need.

[Pesco47]

EBWOP: His profile on the wiki

[iLord]

Why does that indicate that he needs be lynched according to my prinicples?