Choose Carefully Mafia: (Game Over)

[Santos]

Those

people don't seem to care. I am here waiting for something more.

[armlx]

I'm pretty sure the right choice is Rope, and BM's going back on his logic earlier about the mod mistake smells fishy.

[bird1111]

Vote Count:
Santos (6): ZazieR, Moses le fou, Save the Dragon, ZTR, christiano drago, oEJo
Battle Mage (1): SocioPath
Riceballtail (1): Battle Mage
armlx (1): Riceballtail
hp [leaves] (1): CarnCarn

Not voting (6): Thunder, Santos, hp [leaves], Sineish, Empking, armlx

With 16 alive it is 9 to lynch.

Lynch Method Vote Count:
Rope (8): Save the Dragons, Riceballtail, armlx, Empking, Sineish, Moses le fou, CarnCarn, Santos
Gun (7): ZazieR, hp [leaves], oEJo, christiano drago, ZTR, SocioPath, Battle Mage

Not voting for a lynch method (1): Thunder

If a lynch were to happen without any change in lynch method votes, the Rope would be used.

[CarnCarn]

Mod:

I believe Santos is voting Rope.

Also, where is Thunder? We could really use him to weigh in here. Haven't heard from him in a while.

[Santos]

Zazier, christiano drago and ZTR...why are you voting me?

[Moses le fou]

I'd like to hear from everybody not voting for Santos why they are not doing so. That is, I want somebody besides Santos to plead a decent case for him.

[Santos]

I just can't believe oEJo was so quick to put me on the stocks...I mean, why not try chatting one night with each other at all? How can he assume such simple logic that I am scum without referring to anything else?

[armlx]

I'd like to hear from everybody not voting for Santos why they are not doing so. That is, I want somebody besides Santos to plead a decent case for him.

This.

[ZazieR]

If Santos is indeed scum, it would seem that rope is indeed the right choice.

Unvote Gun, Vote Rope

Armlx, can you explain what you meant with the BM comment of post 376?

[armlx]

Never mind, I was confused. I thought it was the other way around (Santos voted rope, mod said gun, santos said no rope) then what it was. BM is sticking with the logic, and I think I'm with him here

Unvote Rope, Vote Gun

[Battle Mage]

I'm pretty sure the right choice is Rope, and BM's going back on his logic earlier about the mod mistake smells fishy.

Given what we know, the right choice seems to be Gun. Not that i'm by any means convinced Santos is scum, but if he is, i dont think the Rope will tie him down.
And really...Must you try and distort everything i say into a scumtell? All it does is encourage me to lurk, regardless of affiliation, because, as an IC, people take you seriously. When you constantly undermine me, not only do you allow scum to hide behind a smokescreen, but it makes all my games really monotonous, because i spend my entire time arguing over non-issues with you.

I'd also like to hear from Zazier, as to why he thinks 'Rope is the right choice', and Moses Le Fou, regarding his dodging the question. Armlx, for backing him up, and having even less excuse for not commenting on the Santos case, you can share the flak for this.

BM

BM

[ZazieR]

Rope lynches scum, gun kills townies.

If Santos thought this at the beginning then why would he choose gun? That's why i think rope is the right choice for him.

But if you think gun is the right choice, then why is that?

[armlx]

BM, I confused your original position to being Rope was correct.

[Battle Mage]

Rope lynches scum, gun kills townies.

If Santos thought this at the beginning then why would he choose gun? That's why i think rope is the right choice for him.

But if you think gun is the right choice, then why is that?

Simple really. Now his choice REALLY MATTERS because he is quite likely to die today, he chose to vote for Rope. Hence, it is likely that, IF he is scum, Gun is his weakness. This logic will be WIFOM after today, so let's make the most of it.

As far as your logic goes, you assume that if Santos is scum, he would be telling the truth. Somehow, i find this doubtful. But, if you assume he is scum, the only motive he would have for that comment, would be to persuade the town to use ROPE, and NOT GUN. Hence, your argument further reinforces that Gun is the weapon most likely to kill him.

BM

[CarnCarn]

BM, armlx, wouldn't he assume the town would choose the

opposite

of what he chose?
I'm sticking with Rope for now.

[armlx]

BM, armlx, wouldn't he assume the town would choose the

opposite

of what he chose?
I'm sticking with Rope for now.

WIFOM.

[Battle Mage]

BM, armlx, wouldn't he assume the town would choose the

opposite

of what he chose?
I'm sticking with Rope for now.

Not necessarily. Personally, i see him as having made 2 choices this game. 1 when it didnt matter, and 1 when it does. If he is scum, i dont credit him with the sense to have voted honestly when there was no need, and then gambitted when it really mattered. That would be really embarrassing if he helped string himself up.
It's like acting really protown under no pressure, and then when people get suspicious, throw a complete scum-spaz.

BM

[ZazieR]

Well, the WIFOM is already present.
If Santos is scum, which would he choose? The method which lynch him or the method which doesn't lynch him? (just a question to think about)

I find the following question way better:
Would a townie random vote the method which he thinks will lynch townies?

To me, the answer is no.

As for assuming he's telling the truth about this. If he's lying, he only made it worse for him. By telling that he thought gun kills townies, and voting this one at the random voting stage, he made himself scummier. Why would he lie to make himself scummier? Scum normally don't do that. Yes, I used normally as scum don't act the same in each game. It's always possible that Santos, if he's scum, wanted this. But to try to get the wrong lynch method by making him look scummier? I at least wouldn't make that bet. He would survive this day, but next day he's gone. Besides, the other scum team knows that he's scum during the night and can easily kill him. If he was lying about the gun killing townies, he only made sure he will die if he's scum.

[Battle Mage]

Well, the WIFOM is already present.
If Santos is scum, which would he choose? The method which lynch him or the method which doesn't lynch him? (just a question to think about)

I find the following question way better:
Would a townie random vote the method which he thinks will lynch townies?

To me, the answer is no.

Lol. You suppose it is more likely that a townie would SERIOUSLY vote the method which will lynch townies?

As for assuming he's telling the truth about this. If he's lying, he only made it worse for him. By telling that he thought gun kills townies, and voting this one at the random voting stage, he made himself scummier. Why would he lie to make himself scummier?

He lied. Full stop. His affiliation is a completely different issue. That he lied is a fact. If we assume he is scum, as is necessary for this discussion, then he HAS lied as scum, and screwed himself over. Why is this hard to understand?

Besides, the other scum team knows that he's scum during the night and can easily kill him.

Why would the other scumteam kill someone who is blatant lynchbait?

BM

[hp [leaves]]

although I still get mad scum vibes from hp[leaves].

Could you please explain why is this?

Oh also

Vote: Santos

[Riceballtail]

although I still get mad scum vibes from hp[leaves].

Could you please explain why is this?

Oh also

Vote: Santos

A great example of why you seem scummy.

[Riceballtail]

Also, I fail to see any valid case as to why Santos is scum, he seems perfectly town to me.

[Save The Dragons]

...if we don't get him with whatever method we use today, we can have a quick tomorrow. Granted, two nights to one day is not great, but the scum will eventually encounter the problem of choosing who to kill.

I think we could talk in circles as to which method's most likely to kill Santos, but the only way to tell for realzies is if we do it.

XXX

Don't give too much weight to the power of players who seem more experienced than you, because they can be fallible, scum, or abrasive, all of which could be bad if you get comfortable with them.

[ZTR]

Zazier, christiano drago and ZTR...why are you voting me?

I felt like it

Change Vote: Rope

[Empking]

I'd like to hear from everybody not voting for Santos why they are not doing so. That is, I want somebody besides Santos to plead a decent case for him.

Not this.