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[SocioPath]

armlx would only say what he said if he were town, I'm thinking we are a town-town mason pair.

Lets not jump to conclusions, armlx saying things or strategizing things, I'm pretty sure doesn't directly correlate to whether his role is town or scum. I've seen him differ with different power roles and such, but the game he plays is generally useful regardless of alignment.

[Santos]

Well, I am glad someone read and answered my long post, thank you Save the Dragon...I actually think more highly of you because I had retrospectively thought I brought up some good points regarding my role and the game mechanics.

If he were scum and he believed this, then if/when I am lynched and flip town, then he would be an obvious target. However, since I know I'm town and that armlx would only say what he said if he were town, I'm thinking we are a town-town mason pair.

So why is oEJo off the list as a scum bandwagoner? He didn't have much to say and what he said is in no way concrete evidence that I am scum!

[Santos]

Can someone remind me what was the role name of CC and armlx? I looked through the thread and couldn't find it.

I don't recall them saying either.

Odd, considering I am the only one to claim 'Neighbor', right? It seems my lynch party ignored this claim and gave me no leniency...

[Save The Dragons]

That's all well and good, but I've said some stuff on the past page that pretty much makes me convinced you're scum. If you want to defend yourself against it, you're more than welcome to.

(and actually claiming Neighbor doesn't really affect anything, because it doesn't mean you can't be scum...)

[bird1111]

Vote Count:
Santos (6): ZazieR, Moses le fou, Save the Dragon, ZTR, christiano drago, oEJo
Battle Mage (1): SocioPath
Riceballtail (1): Battle Mage
armlx (1): Riceballtail
hp [leaves] (1): CarnCarn

Not voting (6): Thunder, Santos, hp [leaves], Sineish, Empking, armlx

With 16 alive it is 9 to lynch.

Lynch Method Vote Count:
Gun (7): CarnCarn, ZazieR, hp [leaves], oEJo, christiano drago, ZTR, SocioPath
Rope (6): Save the Dragons, Riceballtail, armlx, Empking, Sineish, Moses le fou

Not voting for a lynch method (3): Battle Mage, Thunder, Santos

If a lynch were to happen without any change in lynch method votes, the Gun would be used.

[Santos]

I have spoken only the truth.

[CarnCarn]

I have spoken only the truth.

Oh my. **facepalm**

that sucks (for me).

Fixed.

Claiming Neighbor doesn't prove you are protown. I never said oEJo is not scum in that post, nor did I say that you were.
Please vote a lynch method or my vote will go back on, although I still get mad scum vibes from hp[leaves].

[Riceballtail]

I would like to state that you are all neglecting the fact that it is perfectly possible for a neighbor pair to be S1-S2.

[Save The Dragons]

I have spoken only the truth.

Then I shall not take my vote off of you, baring someone pretty much blatantly saying "I'm scum."

[Santos]

I would vote for myself if I was scum. Put that in your pipe and smoke it :p

[Battle Mage]

Can someone remind me what was the role name of CC and armlx? I looked through the thread and couldn't find it.

I don't recall them saying either.

I think it's OK to say this now. I am a Neighbor. Santos and EJ were correct in their role-name claims.
This doesn't say whether or not we have any other night abilities, as armlx mentioned earlier.

I'm far from convinced over the Santos wagon. If he is scum, he is being bussed like stink, but if someone can really clarify the points that dont concern his claim, which has now been backed up, that'd be cool.

In the meantime, i'd like to see Santos choose his weapon in case he does face death today.

BM

[armlx]

So...you think that it's not possible to have a town-town mason group due to both symmetry and design space (especially if Santos comes up scum).

Its likely. Its also possible Santos is just straight up lying or its S1-S2 and T-T.

The only thing I'm certain of now is Santos is scum.

Yeah, I'm not getting this because armlx seemed pretty confident that I was town (and I am). I think he's town, too, after he intitial mix-up.

I explained how with 1 group its obv town-town, but with 2 groups it gets interesting.

[Empking]

Christiano drago, would you mind explaining the Santos case?

[Save The Dragons]

My bad to RBT and armlx...I did miss the S1-S2 and T-T possibility. Still, I'm not going to discount the possibility of 3+ mason sets so easily (even if it does seem a little weird).

[Santos]

so you believe oEJo and I are the S1 and S2 group while armlx and CarnCarn are the T1 and T2? How the hell can you prove this as well as prove me scum? I would like to know that.

[CarnCarn]

For one thing, you keep avoiding voting for a lynch method. Please vote one ASAP (or give a damn good reason for not voting), or who knows you might get dayvigged or something.

[Santos]

Vote: Rope

located at 323.

[Santos]

I also don't understand why my cooperation with everyone who asked me anything makes me scum. I am pretty sure I participated in everything that was asked of me (except maybe some minor details, which if you don't mind pointing out to me, I wouldn't mind answering).

Other than that, I seriously don't understand where you guys have concrete information fingering me as scum.

[CarnCarn]

Vote: Rope

located at 323.

Oh, hmm, I was going off the vote count. Care to explain why Rope now, after voting Gun at first?

[Santos]

I explained my logic about the game mechanics right after that post,

sir

.

So if you're going to lynch a townie, you might as well do it with a rope. That is the only dignified way I can go down. (Now you might think 'OMG, he is using reverse psychology because he is really a scum trying to get us to not use his REAL method!)

Whatever, as Kimbo Slice once said, "It is what it is."

[CarnCarn]

Fine. If it's good enough for you, then it's good enough for me.

Vote:Rope

[Battle Mage]

I also don't understand why my cooperation with everyone who asked me anything makes me scum. I am pretty sure I participated in everything that was asked of me (except maybe some minor details, which if you don't mind pointing out to me, I wouldn't mind answering).

Other than that, I seriously don't understand where you guys have concrete information fingering me as scum.

Actually, your co-operation is the one scummy thing you have done in my mind. I'm still waiting to hear what the others have.

also,

Vote: Gun

If this shizzle does go down, i'm backing Gun to do the job.

BM

[Save The Dragons]

*****BOOOOOOOOOOOOM*****

That was the sound of my head exploding.

[Santos]

Actually, your co-operation is the one scummy thing you have done in my mind. I'm still waiting to hear what the others have.

This pertains no logic whatsoever, IMO, because I could have not cooperated at all and other people would have considered me scummy.

[Battle Mage]

Actually, your co-operation is the one scummy thing you have done in my mind. I'm still waiting to hear what the others have.

This pertains no logic whatsoever, IMO, because I could have not cooperated at all and other people would have considered me scummy.

If you think that is illogical, then you are, quite frankly, an idiot.

Its pretty clear that if you do stuff just because tell you to, then you are behaving as scum would, because scum want to integrate, whereas townies wont go against their own opinion as easily.

I dont actually care why other people are voting for you- I, currently, am not. But, if you behave in a way which is clearly scummy, then i will be forced to.

If you think people are voting you for poor reasons-take it up with them-not me.

BM