Choose Carefully Mafia: (Game Over)

[bird1111]

Vote Count:
Santos (5): ZazieR, Moses le fou, armlx, Save the Dragon, ZTR
Battle Mage (1): SocioPath
Riceballtail (1): Battle Mage
Moses le fou (1): Riceballtail
hp [leaves] (1): CarnCarn

Not voting (7): Thunder, Santos, hp [leaves], Sineish, christiano drago, Empking, oEJo

With 16 alive it is 9 to lynch.

Lynch Method Vote Count:
Gun (6): CarnCarn, ZazieR, hp [leaves], oEJo, christiano drago, ZTR
Rope (6): Save the Dragons, Riceballtail, armlx, Empking, Sineish, Moses le fou

Not voting for a lynch method (4): Battle Mage, Thunder, SocioPath, Santos

If a lynch were to happen without any change in lynch method votes, the Gun would be used.

[Save The Dragons]

BM: We're arguing two different things. I agree with your points that you keep saying, in a generic context, but you keep ignoring mine, which are very specific. If you want to keep having this argument and actually try to convince me of something, you're going to have to actually defend your position as it applies to this situation.

[Santos]

Well...

I'm glad we can all agree to disagree.

[Save The Dragons]

We agree to wagon you.

[Save The Dragons]

Actually, BM's not voting you. Never mind...

[CarnCarn]

why are we wagoning santos anyway? can we get back to wagoning hp[leaves] or RBT? They've basically contributed nothing, while the only thing Santos has against him is correcting the mod for his gun vote, which is a null-tell, as far as I know.
I don't know why armlx wants to know the identity of santos' mason buddy, but apparently there is a good reason.
Santos, can you definately say that you don't know the alignment of your mason buddy and that they don't know yours? If this is the case, I don't see any reason to reveal any more information right now.

[Save The Dragons]

Vote: Moses le fou

As for my 'bandwagon' vote I didn't want to be redundant in saying 'to add some pressure'.

Unvote: Moses le fou

.

I have been examining Riceballtail's play and I am impressed with his performance.

1) If Santos isn't scum, this all doesn't matter.

So you're still happy to lynch me without having a thoughtful accusation? I need discourse and a cookie!

I'm down with the Santos wagon. The last 4 posts have been buddying, going from poking suspicion at my/CC's role to "believing it entirely", and distancing from a wagon.

Maybe because I have a very similar role to what you two have claimed. Though, in this case, I do not advise my 'mason' to announce it now.

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RE: Santos,

I didn't like the "I don't want to participate in gun/rope" shtick.

I really didn't like the "I'm jumping on Moses because I want to put pressure on a bandwagon no wait I'm going to unvote him now."

I didn't like how he called out Riceballtail as doing a good job.

Santos wagon FTW

Vote: Santos

That's why I'm doing it, I can't speak for others.

[Santos]

Santos, can you definately say that you don't know the alignment of your mason buddy and that they don't know yours? If this is the case, I don't see any reason to reveal any more information right now.

I can definitely say that we do not know each others' alignment. Furthermore, I have not even contacted said mason yet because it is not night, obviously; and I have no idea what we would talk about anyway.

[Santos]

And that's really being nitpicky, IMO, Save the Dragons, but that is what is nice about having our own opinions I guess.

[CarnCarn]

RE: Santos,

I didn't like the "I don't want to participate in gun/rope" shtick.

I really didn't like the "I'm jumping on Moses because I want to put pressure on a bandwagon no wait I'm going to unvote him now."

I didn't like how he called out Riceballtail as doing a good job.

Santos wagon FTW

Vote: Santos

OK, there a couple points here. The biggest one is the first one. If you agree with what I said above santos, then why do you not want to vote for a lynch method, Santos (actually I thought he was voting Gun, initially)?
I think I know why he voted/unvoted Moses.
Yeah, also RBT is

not

doing a good job. What are you talking about Santos? I still don't see this as a scum-tell, though.

[armlx]

I don't know why armlx wants to know the identity of santos' mason buddy, but apparently there is a good reason.

I didn't want the identity. I wanted confirmation before I proceeded with this.

I want your partner to come out with your exact role name. Now.

[CarnCarn]

I didn't want the identity. I wanted confirmation before I proceeded with this.

I want your partner to come out with your exact role name. Now.

Well, if you're just asking for the role name, I think you could direct the question at Santos. You probably have some reason I don't see, though, to ask him mason buddy to step up.

[Riceballtail]

UNVOTE; VOTE:Armlx
FoS:Moses

Thought: Armlx is trying to get a name out of him to see if it's a scumbuddy, so he can figure out if CC is also therefore scum or not.

[Santos]

'Neighbor'

[armlx]

You probably have some reason I don't see, though, to ask him mason buddy to step up.

Simple.

If his buddy steps up and is correct, we can be pretty sure that one of each is scum.

If his buddy steps up and is wrong, its very good news.

If his buddy doesn't step up, we know he is lying.

Thought: Armlx is trying to get a name out of him to see if it's a scumbuddy, so he can figure out if CC is also therefore scum or not.

How does this correlate to a vote?

[CarnCarn]

If his buddy steps up and is correct, we can be pretty sure that one of each is scum.

I don't follow this.

I'm not going to say whether or not this is correct, though, until someone else answers (if they do):

'Neighbor'

[Save The Dragons]

And that's really being nitpicky, IMO, Save the Dragons, but that is what is nice about having our own opinions I guess.

First of all, you call

several

accusations against you (that you completely ignored the first time around) nitpicky. Really?

Second of all, you think it's okay to write off my accusations against you because you want to call them nitpicky? You're not going to even bother to treat them as points against you or actually even put some effort in making yourself to convincing me you're not scum? Really?

Third of all, do you understand all my attacks against you? Some of them are admittedly vague. Do you not want to talk about them? Why? Really?

UNVOTE; VOTE:Armlx
FoS:Moses

Thought: Armlx is trying to get a name out of him to see if it's a scumbuddy, so he can figure out if CC is also therefore scum or not.

I as well must commend you on your excellent play! You vote for armlx, then you accuse him of scumhunting. Which is clearly a scummy thing to do.

(Granted, I understand that scum are searching for scum of the other team, but if you really think that Armlx is scum, and he's searching for scum from the other team in his mason partner and someone else's mason partner, how exactly does is that a tell as scum? Couldn't he just as likely or even more likely be town?)

Unless, of course, you have another reason for voting armlx and have decided not to share it.

[CarnCarn]

UNVOTE; VOTE:Armlx
FoS:Moses

Thought: Armlx is trying to get a name out of him to see if it's a scumbuddy, so he can figure out if CC is also therefore scum or not.

I as well must commend you on your excellent play! You vote for armlx, then you accuse him of scumhunting. Which is clearly a scummy thing to do.

lol *snickers*

[armlx]

I don't follow this.

See my earlier post.

And I agree. I want Santos' partner to answer.

[Save The Dragons]

If either the RBT calling out or the vote/unvote for Moses were partner breadcrumbs, I'm going to facepalm my brain out of my skull.

[SocioPath]

If either the RBT calling out or the vote/unvote for Moses were partner breadcrumbs, I'm going to facepalm my brain out of my skull.

I'm fairly sure the FOS to Moses is because that is where his vote was previously.

But the whole RBT post is bizarrely ridiculous, especially the vote placement.

[Save The Dragons]

If either the RBT calling out or the vote/unvote for Moses were partner breadcrumbs, I'm going to facepalm my brain out of my skull.

This was in reference to Santos's activities.

But yeah, I'm going to have to agree with you on the whole bizarrely ridiculous part, especially since I was starting to RBT as more likely to be town.

[CarnCarn]

See my earlier post.

[Santos]

Save the Dragon, I said nitpicky because I had already explained everything I can. Unless you know something more? Enlighten me please.

[Battle Mage]

i dont think discussing lynch methods is helpful at this point. In terms of tactics, Santos' play is far more logical than that of those voting for a weapon at the moment. Hence, my vote is on RBT.

BM